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A question for Trump acolytes: Do you think this is a sane Easter message for a presidential candidate? Is THIS the man you want to see in the most powerful position in the world? That he is extremely mentally ill should be obvious even to you by now. But apparently not.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL, INCLUDING CROOKED AND CORRUPT PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES THAT ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO INTERFERE WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2024, AND PUT ME IN PRISON, INCLUDING THOSE MANY PEOPLE THAT I COMPLETELY & TOTALLY DESPISE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA, A NOW FAILING NATION, LIKE “DERANGED” JACK SMITH, WHO IS EVIL AND “SICK,” MRS. FANI “FAUNI” WADE, WHO SAID SHE HARDLY KNEW THE “SPECIAL” PROSECUTOR, ONLY TO FIND THAT HE SPENT YEARS “LOVING” HER, LONG BEFORE THE GEORGIA PERSECUTION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGAN (AND THEREBY MAKING THE CASE AGAINST ME NULL, VOID, AND ILLEGAL!), AND LAZY ON VIOLENT CRIME ALVIN BRAGG WHO, WITH CROOKED JOE’S DOJ THUGS, UNFAIRLY WORKING IN THE D.A.’s OFFICE, ILLEGALLY INDICTED ME ON A CASE HE NEVER WANTED TO BRING AND VIRTUALLY ALL LEGAL SCHOLARS SAY IS A CASE THAT SHOULD NOT BE BROUGHT, IS BREAKING THE LAW IN DOING SO (POMERANTZ!), WAS TURNED DOWN BY ALL OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES, AND IS NOT A CRIME. HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!

In contrast, this was Biden's Easter message:

“Jill and I send our warmest wishes to Christians around the world celebrating Easter Sunday. Easter reminds us of the power of hope and the promise of Christ’s Resurrection. As we gather with loved ones, we remember Jesus’s sacrifice. We pray for one another and cherish the blessing of the dawn of new possibilities,” he continued. “And with wars and conflict taking a toll on innocent lives around the world, we renew our commitment to work for peace, security, and dignity for all people.” From our family to yours, happy Easter and may God bless you.”
 
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A question for Trump acolytes: Do you think this is a sane Easter message for a presidential candidate? Is THIS the man you want to see in the most powerful position in the world? That he is extremely mentally ill should be obvious even to you by now. But apparently not.



In contrast, this was Biden's Easter message:

A reasonable message for a reasonable candidate appealing to reasonable people, and a foaming-at-the-mouth message for a foaming-at-the-mouth candidate appealing to foaming-at-the-mouth people. Everybody wins with democracy!
 
President Biden's message is typical of a low energy candidate allowing their team to cover for their dementia with an anodyne, generic message lacking in passion or commitment.

President Trump's on the other hand is exactly what a passionate stable genius would send. It demonstrates the energy and commitment necessary to overturn years of liberal incompetence and make America great again.
 
I can only point out the facts that will effect the 2024 election, whether you accept them or not makes no difference to me, but there they are.

When you claim to be trying to address something, it's not that impressive when you address something very different. Whether Biden's done a good job or not, which is what you claimed that you were trying to refute, is not something that's truly addressed by the things that you had mentioned. Rather, you're trying to resort to addressing a related, but notably different question - one that's been addressed as well, but which you have not actually answered the points that have been made.

I will say it is hilarious to read the attempt at placing blame on Republicans for the border or the economy. Democrats under Biden held the White House, The House of Representatives AND the Senate for the first two years of Biden's Presidency. Yeah, you're not going to make a valid argument of blaming Republicans.

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Do you have ANY actual argument at all here? Doesn't look like it.

Maybe you're referring to economic problems during that time? If so, wow. Trump gets removed, kicking and screaming, so that other leadership could clean up his mess in a country in the middle of a disaster and it's all the Democrats' fault that the country's suffered and needs to recover?

During the 2 years that Democrats barely held the White house, the House of Representatives, and the Senate, quite a bit got done to help and support the US. Huge amounts of infrastructure repair and investment, for example, with the usual unanimous Republican opposition (and Republicans trying to take credit for things that they voted against). During Trump's Presidency, when Republicans had control of all three, infrastructure became a bad joke! There's more that would have been good to get done in Biden's first two years, certainly, but much of real positive impact was done.

Meanwhile, what has the evil clown show that the Republicans in the current Congress have been putting on actually done? Virtually nothing at all besides endless baseless political stunts and embarrassing the US. Certainly nothing to actually help the economy, inflation, the situation at the border, the US' national interests, or anything else. Well, there is one thing. They seem to have shown that Biden's not corrupt, compromised, or shady, given how very much unsuccessful effort they've put into finding something, ANYTHING to attack him with on that front. Nevermind how huge their double standards are when it comes to refusing to hold Trump and co accountable.

However you wanna slice it, the fivethirtyeight polls agree with my opinion that Biden has not done well with the economy or the border. Most Americans see the US as going in the wrong direction.

Public perception is dependent on a number of other factors than just how well one's actually done. Moving the goalposts isn't particularly honest. You know that though.

If you had claimed to be addressing the matter of public perception from the start, which would have been fine and which there were plenty of chances for you to do, we wouldn't be dealing with this issue. Yet we are.

To be clear, there are indeed a number of of factors affecting public perception of Biden negatively - many of them quite unreasonable, but that's human nature for you.

Those are the folks you must gaslight into your own special way of looking at things. It's not going to be an easy job to turn people away from the truth. Trust in the Media has plummeted. The Left Wing Media has been revealed for what it is. So emotional arguments from opinion are not going to be a big seller among those with access to the facts.

Yeah, yeah. Thanks for showing us that DARVO's still a thing. We didn't really need that reminder, though.

On the general topic of Trump versus Biden's economic record, though, I feel like poking at something.

The Biden and Trump economies were both pretty good — but only one president has gotten credit

There’s no denying that the economy was good under Trump, and the 2019 pre-pandemic economy is now seen as a baseline against which Biden’s economy is being judged.

But Trump arrived in office when the economy was already pretty strong. He was “just riding on the coattails of a 10-year-long economic recovery,” said Alí R. Bustamante, deputy director of worker power and economic security at Roosevelt Forward, the progressive political arm of the Roosevelt Institute.

The economy continued to grow modestly on his watch until the pandemic hit in 2020, and after that, his stimulus checks kept it buoyant for a while. The stock market saw significant growth under Trump (and at least for the last year, under Biden, too — more on that later).

But some of Trump’s signature economic policies have also been found to have had little to no measurable effect on the economy — and a few might have even hurt. Multiple studies have shown that the Trump tariffs at best had a neutral effect on the economy and at worst cost America hundreds of thousands of jobs and higher prices for consumers. And his 2017 tax cuts, which increased investment in the economy and contributed to modest wage growth in the short term, fell far short of Republicans’ promise that they would pay for themselves and are projected to significantly raise federal debt and increase income inequality.

Biden, on the other hand, faced the immediate task upon assuming office of heading off a recession as the country started to bounce back from the pandemic. The US did recover from that pandemic economic slump. But there is evidence that his policies, including the stimulus checks he issued, contributed to an inflationary spiral.

The US did, however, manage to curb inflation faster than other economically developed countries, while also maintaining much lower levels of unemployment and higher wage growth.

The Federal Reserve might deserve most of the credit for that, given its carefully timed interest rate hikes. But Biden also has a very successful legislative record, including the bipartisan infrastructure law and the CHIPS Act — laws that experts say can help bolster the economy. And he took steps to reduce pandemic-induced pressure on supply chains, making it easier for truck drivers to become licensed and allowing some major ports to operate nonstop.

The US economy is growing faster than projected, driven largely by consumer spending and the Federal Reserve’s successful efforts to get inflation under control without triggering a recession.

Trump and the Republicans largely benefited from a bunch of hard work to restore the economy during the Obama Presidency and coasted on that. Biden had real challenges to face and has faced them well. People were fairly certainly worse off, especially early on in Biden's Presidency, but that's not because Biden was doing a bad job. Rather, it's because of the immense disparity in circumstance. Given a rather notable group of people seemingly hell-bent on removing the circumstances in play from perspective so they can argue with dishonestly superficial comparisons, there's not really much surprise to be had when it comes to many of your arguments, ChrisBFRPKY.
 
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I largely agree. In fact the best thing for the country might be if he wins in 2024. Yes his sychophants will try to repeal the 22nd, but suddenly liberals will appreciate that it is hard to amend the Constitution.

Not rooting for it, and yes, there are a lot of idiots claiming this is the last election if Trump wins. They may have to apologize in 2028.

No thanks to any Republicans.

Maybe they should thank Democrats for preventing Trump's worst excesses, because no Republican ever did.
 
I largely agree. In fact the best thing for the country might be if he wins in 2024. Yes his sychophants will try to repeal the 22nd, but suddenly liberals will appreciate that it is hard to amend the Constitution.

Not rooting for it, and yes, there are a lot of idiots claiming this is the last election if Trump wins. They may have to apologize in 2028.

Won't be the last election. Just might be the last free and fair election for a long time. Of course the single person we have to thank the most for democracy not being ended last time out was a Republican. We don't really know what would've happened had Pence refused to certify the 2020 election. This time Trump will have a total sycophant as his running mate.
 
People have very short memories and tend to think things were better 'before' while forgetting the negative things. Rose colored glasses.
 
People have very short memories and tend to think things were better 'before' while forgetting the negative things. Rose colored glasses.

It is a handy trait, though, or there wouldn't be many families with more than one child.

Brexit is maybe the best example.
 
When you claim to be trying to address something, it's not that impressive when you address something very different. Whether Biden's done a good job or not, which is what you claimed that you were trying to refute, is not something that's truly addressed by the things that you had mentioned. Rather, you're trying to resort to addressing a related, but notably different question - one that's been addressed as well, but which you have not actually answered the points that have been made.



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Do you have ANY actual argument at all here? Doesn't look like it.

Maybe you're referring to economic problems during that time? If so, wow. Trump gets removed, kicking and screaming, so that other leadership could clean up his mess in a country in the middle of a disaster and it's all the Democrats' fault that the country's suffered and needs to recover?

During the 2 years that Democrats barely held the White house, the House of Representatives, and the Senate, quite a bit got done to help and support the US. Huge amounts of infrastructure repair and investment, for example, with the usual unanimous Republican opposition (and Republicans trying to take credit for things that they voted against). During Trump's Presidency, when Republicans had control of all three, infrastructure became a bad joke! There's more that would have been good to get done in Biden's first two years, certainly, but much of real positive impact was done.

Meanwhile, what has the evil clown show that the Republicans in the current Congress have been putting on actually done? Virtually nothing at all besides endless baseless political stunts and embarrassing the US. Certainly nothing to actually help the economy, inflation, the situation at the border, the US' national interests, or anything else. Well, there is one thing. They seem to have shown that Biden's not corrupt, compromised, or shady, given how very much unsuccessful effort they've put into finding something, ANYTHING to attack him with on that front. Nevermind how huge their double standards are when it comes to refusing to hold Trump and co accountable.



Public perception is dependent on a number of other factors than just how well one's actually done. Moving the goalposts isn't particularly honest. You know that though.

If you had claimed to be addressing the matter of public perception from the start, which would have been fine and which there were plenty of chances for you to do, we wouldn't be dealing with this issue. Yet we are.

To be clear, there are indeed a number of of factors affecting public perception of Biden negatively - many of them quite unreasonable, but that's human nature for you.



Yeah, yeah. Thanks for showing us that DARVO's still a thing. We didn't really need that reminder, though.

On the general topic of Trump versus Biden's economic record, though, I feel like poking at something.



Trump and the Republicans largely benefited from a bunch of hard work to restore the economy during the Obama Presidency and coasted on that. Biden had real challenges to face and has faced them well. People were fairly certainly worse off, especially early on in Biden's Presidency, but that's not because Biden was doing a bad job. Rather, it's because of the immense disparity in circumstance. Given a rather notable group of people seemingly hell-bent on removing the circumstances in play from perspective so they can argue with dishonestly superficial comparisons, there's not really much surprise to be had when it comes to many of your arguments, ChrisBFRPKY.

All that typing and the only "evidence" to support your lengthy reply is a linked opinion article from "Vox", a Left leaning progressive site.

Please stop wasting your time and what's worse, mine. Opinion pieces from Left Wing Media outlets are not valid citations. If this is the best you have to present other than lengthy opinions, I'm not interested. Thanks
 
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As is typical with most Leftists, you tend to respond with emotion, opinion or rhetoric rather than verifiable facts. Good luck with that.

I did notice in one of your other posts a claim that Trump will never leave the White House if elected again. Weren't you one of the many here that also claimed Trump would start WW3?
 
As is typical with most Leftists, you tend to respond with emotion, opinion or rhetoric rather than verifiable facts. Good luck with that.

I did notice in one of your other posts a claim that Trump will never leave the White House if elected again. Weren't you one of the many here that also claimed Trump would start WW3?

Well if he were elected to be, I'd say about 50/50 chance. Or maybe a second civil.
 
Well if he were elected to be, I'd say about 50/50 chance. Or maybe a second civil.

History doesn't seem to agree with you. Trump did leave office in Jan 2021 despite his belief the 2020 election was rigged against him. It certainly was "different" regarding the new laws some states passed that did not require mail in ballot signature verifications.

Civil war would not likely occur either. There would be demonstrations of course by those that can't stand Trump, but there always are. I would expect several fiery demonstrations in Democrat held cities to protest a 2024 Trump win. They do tend to burn things down, destroy lots of property and mass lootings when given the opportunity.
 
History doesn't seem to agree with you. Trump did leave office in Jan 2021 despite his belief the 2020 election was rigged against him. It certainly was "different" regarding the new laws some states passed that did not require mail in ballot signature verifications.

Civil war would not likely occur either. There would be demonstrations of course by those that can't stand Trump, but there always are. I would expect several fiery demonstrations in Democrat held cities to protest a 2024 Trump win. They do tend to burn things down, destroy lots of property and mass lootings when given the opportunity.

There nothing "different" about it, Biden just won, after every Trump lawsuit failed and I can't even count that high.

This time it will be different. If he gets into an orange jump suit, then there will be violence.
 
History doesn't seem to agree with you. Trump did leave office in Jan 2021 despite his belief the 2020 election was rigged against him.

Judges in over 60 Federal courts ruled against him, including many judges he himself appointed. That should have been the end of it - legally it was... there was NO FURTHER LEGAL RECOURSE no matter what he personally believed. But, instead of accepting the courts' rulings, he chose to commit crimes, and to encourage others to commit crimes on his behalf to avoid leaving office. When he found people who would not follow him, he threatened them. He threatened his own vice-President, and when the mob of armed insurrectionists he stirred up and brought to the Capitol, called for his vice-President's execution, he did absolutely nothing to try to prevent it.

The Fat Orange Turd is the first US President in the 245 year history of the United States to refuse an orderly transfer of power. The only reason he left is because the few guard rails he was unable to remove in time, strongly advised him to leave. If y'all are stupid enough to elect him to the presidency later this year, He won't make that mistake again. You can kiss your 250 year old Democracy goodbye.

He has already told you he wants to be a dictator. Steve Bannan has already stated that political opponents will be jailed. The Orange Prolapsed Anus will become America's Putin - anyone who opposes him will end up behind bars, or will mysteriously fall out of a 10th story window...

If you think it cannot happen in America, you're badly mistaken. It can happen anywhere?
 
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Not surprisingly, I see the cultists are still drooling over Trump even after his absolutely insane Easter rant. And they think the ones who can see him for what he is are the ones with "Trump Derangement Syndrome"!
 
Won't be the last election. Just might be the last free and fair election for a long time. Of course the single person we have to thank the most for democracy not being ended last time out was a Republican. We don't really know what would've happened had Pence refused to certify the 2020 election. This time Trump will have a total sycophant as his running mate.

There was no realistic scenario where Trump remained the President any longer than January 20, 2021 after losing the general election in 2020. And in 2028, any GOP vice president will be presumably certifying her own election (or loss), right?
 
For someone who is hawking Bibles claiming it's his favorite book and that he has several, it seems he doesn't even know the Lord's Prayer well enough to recite it without a teleprompter.

At this 2017 rally, Melania is reciting the prayer while Elmer Grifty stands next to her only saying a few words here and there. This has been authenticated as being "True" by Snopes: Go to 1:35 for relevant part.

 
All that typing and the only "evidence" to support your lengthy reply is a linked opinion article from "Vox", a Left leaning progressive site.

This is a bit stunning as a reply. When you offer either no argument in the first place or no directly relevant argument to what you claim to be addressing, it's stunningly dishonest to whine about how evidence wasn't produced to counter whatever you didn't say. You've repeatedly offered no evidence backing your claims and/or completely refused to address the counter arguments. Further, at last check, this particular tangent is about YOU challenging something that I said and you've failed to actually back that up with meaningful argument or evidence. Hence, it quite looks like you're trying to reverse the burden of proof here, on top of the rest.

Further, I've actually backed up pretty much everything that I've said, by the look of it and you've done nothing to address such. Repeatedly.


Please stop wasting your time and what's worse, mine. Opinion pieces from Left Wing Media outlets are not valid citations. If this is the best you have to present other than lengthy opinions, I'm not interested. Thanks

I suppose I'll have to take this as you being completely unable to refute the points made and being quite unwilling to acknowledge reality. Your arguments have been shallow, superficial, and take little to no account of the larger picture. Great for when you want to confirm and reinforce bias and narrative among those like-minded, but crappy for those not interested in propping up their desired narratives with such weakness and for those who don't desire to prop up those narratives.

To be clear, Vox is indeed openly left leaning. They've also not failed a fact check in the last five years by the look of it, their overall credibility is quite high, and they've won a number of awards. Can the sources that you rely upon live up to Vox's journalistic excellence?
 
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