Sheriff Joe Arapio slapped down by judge.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Profiling should be left to the IRS.

Equivocation.

 

[AlBell]

Well, if stops are being made according to whether or not individuals are actually committing violations or crimes, then I don't care how many Latinos are stopped. If, however, they are being made because they fit an officers impression of a latino and therefore might be guilty of immigration violations or some other unseen crime, then it is the officers who belong in jail (regardless of their ethnic heritage). It is a simple distinction.

At least a judge and most here seem to agree the bolded is what was happening. I'll go with 'Law Is An Ass'.

The distinction may be simple but the case by case either/or actuality is not to me anyway. ymmv and obviously does.

The Law involved is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/u...law.html?ref=arizonaimmigrationlawsb1070&_r=0.

The Supreme Court on Monday delivered a split decision on Arizona’s tough 2010 immigration law, upholding its most hotly debated provision but blocking others on the grounds that they interfered with the federal government’s role in setting immigration policy.

The court unanimously sustained the law’s centerpiece, the one critics have called its “show me your papers” provision, though they left the door open to further challenges. The provision requires state law enforcement officials to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop or arrest if they have reason to suspect that the individual might be in the country illegally.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

At least a judge and most here seem to agree the bolded is what was happening. I'll go with 'Law Is An Ass'.

The distinction may be simple but the case by case either/or actuality is not to me anyway. ymmv and obviously does.

You think the 4th Amendment is a bad thing?

The fact that the standards for allowing searches and seizures have been relaxed in many circumstances over the years, doesn't mean we can just ignore the 4th Amendment. The line drawn may have been liberal, but it's still a line that law enforcement can't cross. If you don't have reasonable suspicion in Terry stop situations, you can't stop people without a warrant. Race (or perceived race or whatever) does not comprise reasonable suspicion.

 

[RandFan]

You think the 4th Amendment is a bad thing?

The fact that the standards for allowing searches and seizures have been relaxed in many circumstances over the years, doesn't mean we can just ignore the 4th Amendment. The line drawn may have been liberal, but it's still a line that law enforcement can't cross. If you don't have reasonable suspicion in Terry stop situations, you can't stop people without a warrant. Race (or perceived race or whatever) does not comprise reasonable suspicion.

Some times I think people forget the ramifications of laws. I'm against unreasonable searches and seizures and I'm equally against carving out exceptions.

 

[Unabogie]

Given that the intent was upholding AZ law, and 30% of the population is latino, for you multiculturists what would be suitable criteria for stops that didn't get many latinos?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/04/04013.html

What's a "multiculturalist", AlBell? I hear that term a lot on the far right wing sites and Stormfront blogs. So is that the context in which you're using it?

 

[newyorkguy]

Some times I think people forget the ramifications of laws. I'm against unreasonable searches and seizures and I'm equally against carving out exceptions.

Relaxing standards for allowing searches and seizures, as has already happened, is very dangerous. Many lawyers remain convinced that when SCOTUS decided to allow sobriety checks the 4th Amendment was officially compromised and thus would (and has) open the door for all sorts of 'police mischief.'

I agree with them. Sadly, most Americans don't.

 

[RandFan]

Relaxing standards for allowing searches and seizures, as has already happened, is very dangerous. Many lawyers remain convinced that when SCOTUS decided to allow sobriety checks the 4th Amendment was officially compromised and thus would (and has) open the door for all sorts of 'police mischief.'

I agree with them. Sadly, most Americans don't.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". --Franklin

 

[DDWW]

Meanwhile, the head of the Phoenix police union called for tougher measures to deal with illegal immigrants.

Mark Spencer of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, which represents about 2,500 officers, said it is time for the Police Department to adopt a zero tolerance policy toward illegal immigrants, similar to that of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Phoenix Police toughened their policy earlier this year by giving officers authority to call federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents when they stop someone suspected of being in the country illegally.

"As we look at what's going on in the Valley, PLEA appreciates the zero tolerance strategy utilitized by the deputies and the posse of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office," Spencer said after Figueroa's death. (Phoenix Police Officer killed by illegal in 2008)

A small group of protesters gathered outside Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon's house Sunday night, accusing the mayor of protecting illegal immigrants. The mayor's spokesman told CBS-5 that the federal government and the illegal immigrant are to blame for Figueroa's death, not the mayor.

Spencer said, "There are some who believe that illegal aliens are just bus boys or they're just landscapers or they're just janitors, but in reality they are criminals."
He added, "I think what clearly is a deterrence is when law enforcement agencies like the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office engage in pro-active immigration and zero tolerance programs... We can't even get beyond a year that an illegal alien attacks, murders or seriously injuries a Phoenix police officer. We're tired of it."
BTW: Another Phoenix office killed last week by an illegal. 29 years old. Leaves behind wife and young daughter.

 

[fuelair]

What does a Latino look like?

In a room of one hundred random people can you pick out the ones who are Latino?

No - and neither can Arpeggio and his flunkies. The difference is I know I can't, but he and his butt boys think they can - and do even though such profiling is illegal.

 

[fuelair]

What's a "multiculturalist", AlBell? I hear that term a lot on the far right wing sites and Stormfront blogs. So is that the context in which you're using it?

Ven der Feuhrer says ve ist der master race
Ve heil! heil! right in der Feuhrer's face!!!
Not to love der Feuhrer vould be a big mistake
So ve heil! heil!! Right in Der Fuehrers's Ar-pai-o's FACE!!sppplllllliiitttttttttt!

 

[fuelair]

Post 50 courtesy of the immortal but dead Spike Jones (the real one).

 

[fuelair]

Knowing Joe he probably pulled over any car with more than three people in it or if he thought he smelled sriracaha.

I am sure what he mostly smells is fecal matter as he is substantively full of same.

 

[Unabogie]

Spencer said, "There are some who believe that illegal aliens are just bus boys or they're just landscapers or they're just janitors, but in reality they are criminals."

I think that comes from meeting so many latino bus boys, landscapers, and janitors. Who could have guessed at their secret life of crime in between all three of their full time jobs?

 

[Cleon]

What's a "multiculturalist", AlBell? I hear that term a lot on the far right wing sites and Stormfront blogs. So is that the context in which you're using it?

Multiculturalist : one who doesn't have a problem with living near brown people.

 

[Unabogie]

Multiculturalist : one who doesn't have a problem with living near brown people.

It sounds different when you put it that way!

 

[fuelair]

Not to mention..... I must be a multiculturist too - I live in a neat neighborhood with folks of every "race/grouping" except "oriental'. We'll get there thought - I am pretty sure of that.

 

[Biscuit]

Meanwhile, the head of the Phoenix police union called for tougher measures to deal with illegal immigrants.

Mark Spencer of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, which represents about 2,500 officers, said it is time for the Police Department to adopt a zero tolerance policy toward illegal immigrants, similar to that of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Phoenix Police toughened their policy earlier this year by giving officers authority to call federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents when they stop someone suspected of being in the country illegally.

"As we look at what's going on in the Valley, PLEA appreciates the zero tolerance strategy utilitized by the deputies and the posse of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office," Spencer said after Figueroa's death. (Phoenix Police Officer killed by illegal in 2008)

A small group of protesters gathered outside Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon's house Sunday night, accusing the mayor of protecting illegal immigrants. The mayor's spokesman told CBS-5 that the federal government and the illegal immigrant are to blame for Figueroa's death, not the mayor.

Spencer said, "There are some who believe that illegal aliens are just bus boys or they're just landscapers or they're just janitors, but in reality they are criminals."
He added, "I think what clearly is a deterrence is when law enforcement agencies like the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office engage in pro-active immigration and zero tolerance programs... We can't even get beyond a year that an illegal alien attacks, murders or seriously injuries a Phoenix police officer. We're tired of it."
BTW: Another Phoenix office killed last week by an illegal. 29 years old. Leaves behind wife and young daughter.

You got a link? I have a sneaking suspicion this protest and mr. Spencer's remarks were not current or germane to this thread.

Are you going to ask joe what a Latino is?

 

[RandFan]

Meanwhile, the head of the Phoenix police union called for tougher measures to deal with illegal immigrants.

Mark Spencer of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, which represents about 2,500 officers, said it is time for the Police Department to adopt a zero tolerance policy toward illegal immigrants, similar to that of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Phoenix Police toughened their policy earlier this year by giving officers authority to call federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents when they stop someone suspected of being in the country illegally.

"As we look at what's going on in the Valley, PLEA appreciates the zero tolerance strategy utilitized by the deputies and the posse of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office," Spencer said after Figueroa's death. (Phoenix Police Officer killed by illegal in 2008)

A small group of protesters gathered outside Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon's house Sunday night, accusing the mayor of protecting illegal immigrants. The mayor's spokesman told CBS-5 that the federal government and the illegal immigrant are to blame for Figueroa's death, not the mayor.

Spencer said, "There are some who believe that illegal aliens are just bus boys or they're just landscapers or they're just janitors, but in reality they are criminals."
He added, "I think what clearly is a deterrence is when law enforcement agencies like the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office engage in pro-active immigration and zero tolerance programs... We can't even get beyond a year that an illegal alien attacks, murders or seriously injuries a Phoenix police officer. We're tired of it."
BTW: Another Phoenix office killed last week by an illegal. 29 years old. Leaves behind wife and young daughter.

So you are appealing to emotion to stereotype and demonize an entire group of people?

 

[AlBell]

You think the 4th Amendment is a bad thing?

No.

The fact that the standards for allowing searches and seizures have been relaxed in many circumstances over the years, doesn't mean we can just ignore the 4th Amendment. The line drawn may have been liberal, but it's still a line that law enforcement can't cross. If you don't have reasonable suspicion in Terry stop situations, you can't stop people without a warrant. Race (or perceived race or whatever) does not comprise reasonable suspicion.

I agree in principle. The practice is where reasonable people may disagree.

Yes, I know a Fed Judge has ruled in accord with our libs here it was 'racial profiling'. I also didn't know latino was a race.

 

[thaiboxerken]

So what does am illegal alien look like?