Vision From Feeling

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Old man said:
“I did not make two incorrect perceptions…”

True. You made THREE. And, unlike Locknar, I’m using YOUR OWN RULES
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That's why I am trying to narrow down what contitutes a Hit or a Miss by detailing all possible responses.

I really hope Anita responds to my post. It really would be the first step in attempting to add a level of objectivity to the study.
 
At least with fractures you've either had one or you haven't (unless it wasn't diagnosed - but then you could say that for a lot of things).
 
Jonquill said:
At least with fractures you've either had one or you haven't (unless it wasn't diagnosed - but then you could say that for a lot of things).
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:)


You're not quite in the groove yet. It goes like this:

1. No fractures ever.

2. Some discomfort which may relate to an old, undiagnosed fracture.

3. An old fracture that has healed completely so as to appear normal.

4. A currently broken bone, which the volunteer has bravely concealed.

5. Crutches, one leg in plaster cast.


To utilise this scale, you need to familiarise yourself with Ashle's Theorem™, as expounded here:

Post #1746 - Ashle's Theorem™


This theorem is the subject of an Upcoming StudyVfF, referred to here:

Posts #1873 and #1874 - Upcoming StudyVfF into Ashle's Theorem™


At the moment, it appears that if VfF selects ANYTHING on the list, and the volunteer also selects ANYTHING on the list, then it's a hit. If nobody selects anything, it's a hit. No other combination counts in any way.
 
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VisionFromFeeling said:
I have removed you from my Facebook. Everything you do lately is trying to work against me.
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Hm, you seem to have removed at least one other friend as well. IIRC you had 5 or 6, now it's 3. This is a remarkably low number in facebook terms.

I'm hesitant to point out that cutting off social contacts is consistent with mental illness. You either cut them off, because they keep trying to push reality at you, or they cut you off because you're unbearable.
 
Yeah, you are right, I don't think I am in the groove. :) I keep thinking of the original bold statements posted on Anita's website, I imagine having those alleged abilities and how easily I would have every skeptic gasping as unbidden I pointed out at a meeting who was colorblind, who had cysts and who had to pee a lot.

Does anyone else imagine that and then contrast it to the halting progress?
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
I will now return back to work and not engage in this nonsense. I will remain active in this thread until a conclusion is reached in my investigation. If any of you are interested in contributing to my investigation I am grateful and I do read your suggestions carefully.
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Fair enough.

Please could you take just a couple of minutes to respond to this series of scenarios I listed:

Description of scenarios and whether they should be considered as Hits, Misses or Undetermined.

It would be a great help to ensure we are talking consistently about results.

Please post the answers before you conduct the sudy.

I genuinely think your response will add something useful to the study.
 
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Ashles said:
Fair enough.

Please could you take just a couple of minutes to respond to this series of scenarios I listed:

Description of scenarios and whether they should be considered as Hits, Misses or Undetermined.

It would be a great help to ensure we are talking consistently about results.

Please post the answers before you conduct the sudy.

I genuinely think your response will add something useful to the study.
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My apologies for butting in, but your link only leads to the first ½ of a split post that contains the series of scenarios etc.

I think this will link to both halves, more or less:

Posts #1873 and #1874 - Description of scenarios and whether they should be considered as Hits, Misses or Undetermined
 
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Here's an interesting claim that she makes on her website that could be tested simply without pissing around in a mall or other public space:

Eyes/Vision - I can see through others eyes and identify exactly what their vision is like, if it is blurry, grainy, loss of color vision and to what extent, and compare left and right eyes and identify blindness.
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http://visionfromfeeling.com/page3.html

Edit to Add: Ditto the hearing claim that follows this.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Here's an interesting claim that she makes on her website that could be tested simply without pissing around in a mall or other public space:

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Edit to Add: Ditto the hearing claim that follows this.
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Safe to say, there are lots of claims that she could test if she was so inclined. At this point, it is a established fact she does not want to credibly test anything...just spend a lot of time talking about it, and making/creating excuses as to why she can't actually test anything.

Of course she will disput this, ramble on about all the time and effort she is putting, blah blah blah.

I can only hope the she gets the help she needs.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Here's an interesting claim that she makes on her website that could be tested simply without pissing around in a mall or other public space:



http://visionfromfeeling.com/page3.html

Edit to Add: Ditto the hearing claim that follows this.
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Those claims have actuallly been looked at.


The biggest stumbling block in the design of this test is coming up with verifiable, and unambiguous “conditions” for her to diagnose. We selected the three least ambiguous categories from her list of claimed abilities http://visionfromfeeling.com/page3.html:

Missing teeth.
Abnormal skeletal structure.
Eyesight (specific, and independent results for each eye, with a percentage of accuracy to be agreed upon).
We are currently awaiting her response.
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IIG March, 2008 Update


Little has changed since then, really.
 
Akhenaten said:
IIG March, 2008 Update


Little has changed since then, really.
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Well, a little has:

IIG January, 2009 Update

As well, a gentleman from IIG posted on this forum last month:

derekcbart said:
Sasha said:
Thanks Derek. Just wondering, are you here due to the Vision From Feeling thread we have going on? Anita mentions your group (if it's the same IIG chapter) and the test protocol she claims to be setting up with you. She also blames the lack of progress on the groups' dragging its heals.

I'm sure everyone would be interested in your comments.
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Hello Sasha.

Yes, we are the same IIG that is dealing with Anita Ikonen. Her complaint is not completely unjustified. Being an all-volunteer organization can sometimes drag things out longer than we would like, but the biggest issue has been nailing down exactly what she can, or cannot, detect. She has made some statements on the JREF Forum that are contradictory to some statements that she has made to us.

I am not on the JREF Forum as much as I really should be, but another one of the IIG members is and he has been put in charge of communicating with Anita directly so that we can move her application along more quickly.

I am on the IIG Steering Committee, but I am not directly involved in the Anita Ikonen testing protocol discussion. I have been more involved in UFO claims, specifically the Billy Meier Case.

Please visit our website at www.iigwest.org to see our status reports.

Thank you.

-Derek
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