Why is prostitution illegal?

ponderingturtle said:
So any wealthy guy who gets lots of action because of his money is raping women left and right in your world? There is really no difference between Hugh Heifner and a serial rapist?
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If it is consensual it is not rape. Obviously. But if there is coercion, then you start to get closer to a rape scenario. The more coercion the more like rape.

Do you understand this?
 
NewtonTrino said:
Abooga, you come off as having an agenda and not looking at the big picture.
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Well it´s a pity I come off in such a way, since I´d be quite in favour of legalisation if it really does solve problems like you say. I´m just arguing a point that nobody seems to understand and which is starting to bore me :faint:
 
Abooga said:
I failed miserably. I´ll see how it goes next week...
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Better luck next week.

Regarding the topic and the things I´ve been trying to explain, do you understand what I´m trying to say? Am I not making any sense?
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I understand what you're trying to say. You are making sense. I wonder what the people arguing with you will be teaching their children about appropriate and/or desirable conduct regarding sex?

(What was that about cutting out? a joke? I didn´t get it ...)
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No joke, just an observation that it will be difficult to get anyone in the thread concede you have a point.
 
Abooga:

sexual-harassment laws exist because it is not the same thing to harass someone, f.e. to do some ordinary job or to do sex work. For some of you there might no distinction, but the existence of specific sexual harassment laws prove that for society there is a difference between the two types of work.

Agree?

ponderingturtle said:
No. Most sexual harassment issues are about long term employment, if you come onto your plumber and offer a higher tip for cleaning your pipes and not just fixing your faucet, that would be much closer to what you are talking about.

Waitresses get hit on by customers all the time, but how often are the customers charged with sexual harrassment? A boss or other employie who did the same likely would.
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But, AGAIN, what about the "secretary with perks" scenario? If such job were legal, a boss or any other empoyee could insist to a secretary to change her job description form one to the other. Would that be harassment or not?

Can you give a straight answer just for once?
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Better luck next week.



I understand what you're trying to say. You are making sense. I wonder what the people arguing with you will be teaching their children about appropriate and/or desirable conduct regarding sex?



No joke, just an observation that it will be difficult to get anyone in the thread concede you have a point.
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Well thanks for that, I thought I was going mad or had lost the hability to communicate!

But yes, it is always difficult to convince anyone of anything. No surprise in that.
 
NewtonTrino said:
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Ivor, I'm all for brothels beside school because I expect them to pretty much be a parking lot and a somewhat low-key building with few windows. I think brothels are pointless for the most part anyway though, why bother really? Websites seems much more sensible to me.
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You've lost me with the websites thing. Does your computer have an extra port mine doesn't? :):confused:

Personally I think prostitution should be legalised, but I can't say I'd expect a huge improvement over the current state of affairs.
 
In Nevada, prostitution is very strictly reglated. The girls, by law, recieve a high degree of medical care and are tested frequently. They are also extremely well paid.The working conditions, hours, and pay are all subject to close scrutiny. Under these conditions, it seems very unlikely that anyone would be there against their will.

Apologies if this has been covered already, I haven't had time to read the whole thread.
 
Abooga said:
If it is consensual it is not rape. Obviously. But if there is coercion, then you start to get closer to a rape scenario. The more coercion the more like rape.

Do you understand this?
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Yes that is exactly the distinction you are missing. He is providing them with an ecconomic incentive just as if they where prostitutes, so if prostitution is rape then hugh heifner is the world most famous serial rapist.

Any woman who is with a man because of his money is raping herself it would seem.

They are being forced into it by the same ecconic decisions after all.
 
Marcus said:
In Nevada, prostitution is very strictly reglated. The girls, by law, recieve a high degree of medical care and are tested frequently. They are also extremely well paid.The working conditions, hours, and pay are all subject to close scrutiny. Under these conditions, it seems very unlikely that anyone would be there against their will.

Apologies if this has been covered already, I haven't had time to read the whole thread.
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That's the oh-so-comforting idea of how it would be on a larger scale.

So who do poor men go to to get some action?
 
:I´m not saying prostitution it is inherently wrong, if it is done freely
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Free, it most definitely isn't!
But most of the time, it -is- consenual!
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yes that is exactly the distinction you are missing. He is providing them with an ecconomic incentive just as if they where prostitutes, so if prostitution is rape then hugh heifner is the world most famous serial rapist.

Any woman who is with a man because of his money is raping herself it would seem.

They are being forced into it by the same ecconic decisions after all.
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When I say coercion I don´t mean tempting a woman to sex by offering her a lot of money, and coercion being bigger as the money is bigger.

What I mean is, for example, a woman who can´t find a different kind of job, has a family or habit to feed and does it out of necessity, coercion being larger as her needs and desperation become more acute.
 
ponderingturtle;3828878 ... You are again confusing things. The force being applied is very much based on how much money these people want to earn for how hard they work. said:
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True.
The sex workers around here -could- get 9 to 5 jobs, but they don't want to!
Takes too much effort from them, sex is easier and has no set hours.
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Abooga said:
But, AGAIN, what about the "secretary with perks" scenario? If such job were legal, a boss or any other empoyee could insist to a secretary to change her job description form one to the other. Would that be harassment or not?

Can you give a straight answer just for once?
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I don't have any particular problem with it as a position. The thing is that this is really no different than people who have money and use that to sleep with the secretaries after all.

I would have more of a problem if I owned the company and one of the managers was doing that
 
Abooga said:
When I say coercion I don´t mean tempting a woman to sex by offering her a lot of money, and coercion being bigger as the money is bigger.

What I mean is, for example, a woman who can´t find a different kind of job, has a family or habit to feed and does it out of necessity, coercion being larger as her needs and desperation become more acute.
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And again, as ponderingturtle said, how is it different if those needs are met by a rich man that she gets into a sexual relationship with, or a client that pays her specifically to have sex?
I mean, from the perspective of "economic exploitation".

Moreover, how is this economic exploitation lessened by the fact that prostitution is illegal?
 
Abooga said:
When I say coercion I don´t mean tempting a woman to sex by offering her a lot of money, and coercion being bigger as the money is bigger.
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Of course you do though, otherwise how do you claim that people are forced to be prostitutes instead of waitresses?

That is a fundamental part of your claim that prostitution is rape forced by ecconomic factors.

If you really believed that you would have to consider Hugh Heifner to be a serial rapist, or a hypocrite.

It seems obvious which one you are.
 
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