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Merged why the release of names associated with Epstein mean little to absolutely nothing.

dirtywick said:
certainly what and who they are protecting can go beyond trump specifically. but whatever it is, i don’t think you can make the case that epstein was basically acting alone. because there were clearly others involved in the operation in some capacity, even if we don’t know who and to what extent.
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Again the point is his grooming operation was for his own pleasure. The people he allegedly conspired with to run his operation were known to prosecutors, but they were obscure people who worked at his properties or recruited locally. Those are the co-conspirators mentioned in the NPA.
 
Venom said:
Again the point is his grooming operation was for his own pleasure. The people he allegedly conspired with to run his operation were known to prosecutors, but they were obscure people who worked at his properties or recruited locally. Those are the co-conspirators mentioned in the NPA.
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no doubt he personally abused a lot of women. perhaps when the government stops covering up whatever it is they don't want the public to know that's in the evidence and we what they do have you could say that with more confidence.
 
Venom said:
Nothing illegal and I'd say nothing particularly problematic about that.


You are making logical leaps from Epstein kept young employees around to Virginia Giuffre's QAnonesque claims about child sex orgies involving prominent people.

Why should Giuffre's claims be given the benefit of the doubt given her history of false and unlikely claims?

I frankly don't care about what's more palatable to this sex-paranoid culture. People throw around "pedophile" and "trafficker" at any situation that appears slightly problematic.
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No leap at all is required to believe that a notorious sex criminal committed other sex crimes and Epstein was a pedophile and sex trafficker, so I don’t know why you pretend those terms are just being “thrown around”.

You are choosing the absolute weirdest hill to die on.
 
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again i wouldn’t mind seeing the evidence that giuffre and other victims are liars. venom presented one link to a source that disputed one of her claims earlier in the thread and not much else so i can’t really speak towards whether or not that’s enough to say she’s not credible.

not that she’s the only one making claims that they were trafficked to more than epstein either.
 
johnny karate said:
No leap at all is required to believe that a notorious sex criminal committed other sex crimes and Epstein was a pedophile and sex trafficker, so I don’t know why you pretend those terms are just being “thrown around”.

You are choosing the absolute weirdest hill to die on.
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Well when people get to make the most vicious insinuations about public figures on the strength of the current moral panic about sexual misconduct and #MeToo and such, accusers get to say I slept with him and then change their mind. He groped me, then he didn't. And they have massive incentives to stretch the truth, getting TENS of MILLIONS of dollars from settlements, accusing anyone who's ever had coffee with Epstein, stymieing our lawmakers, spawning an entire grift industry dedicated to "investigating Epstein" without reading a single court document, I think that's worth looking into a bit more critically, don't ya think?

If we're going to get into the weeds about it, Epstein wasn't a pedophile, I know Americans struggle with this. The evidence that he was a trafficker in the popular sense is also extremely weak. No of course it doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong, but the framing of this whole case is what draws so much disproportionate outrage and paranoia.
 
Venom said:
Well when people get to make the most vicious insinuations about public figures on the strength of the current moral panic about sexual misconduct and #MeToo and such, accusers get to say I slept with him and then change their mind. He groped me, then he didn't. And they have massive incentives to stretch the truth, getting TENS of MILLIONS of dollars from settlements, accusing anyone who's ever had coffee with Epstein, stymieing our lawmakers, spawning an entire grift industry dedicated to "investigating Epstein" without reading a single court document, I think that's worth looking into a bit more critically, don't ya think?

If we're going to get into the weeds about it, Epstein wasn't a pedophile, I know Americans struggle with this. The evidence that he was a trafficker in the popular sense is also extremely weak. No of course it doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong, but the framing of this whole case is what draws so much disproportionate outrage and paranoia.
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Yeah, I think I'll just leave it here with you. Good luck in whatever it is you think you're proving.

And by the way, Jeffrey Epstein is a pedophile and sex trafficker.
 
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gabeygoat said:
FFS, I never thought I'd see the day that people would die on a hill for a rapist, a pedophile, and a trafficker, ◊◊◊◊ is just dumb.
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johnny karate said:
Yeah, I think I'll just leave it here with you. Good luck in whatever it is you think you're proving.

And by the way, Jeffrey Epstein is a pedophile and sex trafficker.
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This is the response when you give just a little pushback to the official conspiracy theory.
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Jeffrey Epstein groomed and trafficked underage girls. He also groomed and trafficked young girls. We know that he "shared" at least one of those girls, with at least one prominent person, Prince Andrew. We have the testimonies of many other girls. In 2008, he was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution (also for soluciting a prostitute). Other charges were dropped in a plea deal. When he died, he was about to face trial, charged with child sex trafficking. Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of child sex trafficking.

Those are facts. Your ramblings about metoo, and how women accuse men to make "easy" money, are not.
 
johnny karate said:
Show me someone willing to argue the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia
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Sort of wild that we're here on a skeptic board arguing about whether using more precise scientific language is better than using less precise vernacular. Even wilder that the social enforcement mechanism in favor of less precise language is libel. Congrats on reaching a new low, ISF.
 
d4m10n said:
Sort of wild that we're here on a skeptic board arguing about whether using more precise scientific language is better than using less precise vernacular. Even wilder that the social enforcement mechanism in favor of less precise language is libel. Congrats on reaching a new low, ISF.
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Even wilder that in a thread in which someone blamed #MeToo in a defense of sex predators that this is what bothers you the most.
 
Pedophile or ephebophile, is that reslly important? Does it change anything, would pinpoiting the exact term that would describe him really add anything now? Also, do we actually know exactly what he was? Or are we just reading minds?
 
i only said that as a jokey way of saying i was hoping venom had a more interesting reason to say epstein isn't a pedophile other than a semantic derail. that doesn't appear to be the case since he hasn't followed that up with anything and unfortunately seems to have caused a derail. so my bad.

venom also keeps referencing all this evidence that the mainstream media is getting it all wrong but hasn't presented any of it yet. which i would happily take a look at it when he does get around to it.
 
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