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The Truth about RFK Jr

Safe-Keeper said:
Sounds kinda conspiratorial to me. I'll wait until I see concrete sources.
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That's why I typed "If true."

I don't doubt that RFK would obfuscate disclosure regarding bird flu; DeSantis cooked the COVID numbers during the pandemic and we'll never really know the true COVID deaths in Florida.
 
David Gorski wrote, "I’ll start by defining “methodolatry,” after which I’ll explain why it is, depending on your point of view, either a weakness of the EBM paradigm that is baked in or a fundamentalist version of EBM that ignores medical ethics in favor of supposed scientific rigor. Then I’ll discuss why this new HHS diktat, although represented as “gold standard science”—a term RFK Jr. and his minions love to throw around and something they claim to be “restoring” to federal vaccine policy—is, in actuality, a strategy to undermine trust in vaccines by portraying vaccines on the current CDC childhood schedule as inadequately tested and potentially unsafe. It is also a strategy that, depending on how “new vaccine” is defined, could prevent the approval of updated COVID-19 and flu vaccines and even provide a seeming “gold standard science” rationale for delicensing some currently licensed vaccines, all while falsely claiming the scientific high ground in doing so."
Half-seriously I would like to suggest that pro-vaxxers start asking for "platinum standard science."
 
Chris_Halkides said:
David Gorski wrote, "I’ll start by defining “methodolatry,” after which I’ll explain why it is, depending on your point of view, either a weakness of the EBM paradigm that is baked in or a fundamentalist version of EBM that ignores medical ethics in favor of supposed scientific rigor. Then I’ll discuss why this new HHS diktat, although represented as “gold standard science”—a term RFK Jr. and his minions love to throw around and something they claim to be “restoring” to federal vaccine policy—is, in actuality, a strategy to undermine trust in vaccines by portraying vaccines on the current CDC childhood schedule as inadequately tested and potentially unsafe. It is also a strategy that, depending on how “new vaccine” is defined, could prevent the approval of updated COVID-19 and flu vaccines and even provide a seeming “gold standard science” rationale for delicensing some currently licensed vaccines, all while falsely claiming the scientific high ground in doing so."
Half-seriously I would like to suggest that pro-vaxxers start asking for "platinum standard science."
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During the pandemic, Dr. Fauci referred to "gold standard" testing and this HHS is attempting to co-opt the term.
 
Axios reported, "Vinay Prasad, a hematologist-oncologist known for at times scathing social media critiques of public health policy, will be the FDA's new top vaccine regulator, according to an email viewed by Axios."

CBS News reported, "The Food and Drug Administration announced Tuesday it has picked a new head of its center charged with vaccine approvals and other biologics products: Dr. Vinay Prasad, a vocal critic of the agency's moves to greenlight COVID-19 vaccine boosters...During the pandemic, he was accused alongside Makary and Dr. Tracy Høeg of being a prominent purveyor of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines."
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Axios reported, "Vinay Prasad, a hematologist-oncologist known for at times scathing social media critiques of public health policy, will be the FDA's new top vaccine regulator, according to an email viewed by Axios."

CBS News reported, "The Food and Drug Administration announced Tuesday it has picked a new head of its center charged with vaccine approvals and other biologics products: Dr. Vinay Prasad, a vocal critic of the agency's moves to greenlight COVID-19 vaccine boosters...During the pandemic, he was accused alongside Makary and Dr. Tracy Høeg of being a prominent purveyor of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines."
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Prediction: The USA is headed for another major Covid-19 outbreak.
 
The New York Times has a feature titled "The Rise Of The Crunchy Teen Wellness Influencer" (paywall) discussing the boom in the "health-conscious" high school student market and the influencers that cater to victimize them. Self-proclaimed adherents of the "Make America Healthy Again" movement.

As if eating disorders and food obsession was not already epidemic.

Annika Zude, a 16-year-old in the Quad Cities region of Iowa, is one of those teenagers. She is a fan of figures like Andrew Huberman, the brother-sister duo Calley and Casey Means and the conservative commentator Candace Owens.
“Of course, I’m up-to-date with R.F.K.’s posts,” she said.

Ms. Zude’s father, Brad Zude, is a health influencer who runs the Instagram account @healthydadbrad. And last year, Ms. Zude decided to start her own health account on TikTok, @thatcrunchygirlannika — inspired, she said, by how bad ultra-processed foods made her feel. She has since racked up almost 40,000 followers with videos of herself walking through grocery stores, critiquing popular snacks and personal care products.
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...she proudly calls herself a “big conspiracy theorist,” giving as an example that she believes that the health care and food industries want to keep Americans sick. (“That’s why we’re given Jell-O at hospitals,” she said.) In one of Ms. Zude’s videos, she also made an unproven connection between cereals and autism. Mr. Zude supports his daughter’s social media efforts and believes people give “young teenage girls who want to eat healthy a bad rap,” he said, adding: “I’ve never met a person that has an unhealthy obsession with health.”
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Ms. Noe, the Boston area teenager, started her own account in 2023, after she was diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome and began searching for “alternative ways” to heal, she said. “I was just desperate for something.” She descended into a social media rabbit hole and became fascinated by the idea of eating and living “clean.” Today, she likes to use ChatGPT to ask about the benefits of, say, red light therapy, then read the suggested studies.
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How the ◊◊◊◊ are we supposed to get through to these kids?​

 
johnny karate said:
Kids dying of measles: Totally cool.

People calling Trump voters stupid: I am emotionally overwhelmed.
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Not all Trump voters and not all anti vaxxers are stupid. Some have agile minds but not open minds. How else can we explain the facile (and sometimes detailed) anti vaxxer arguments that take thought and time to rebut? I am not at all cool with kids or anyone else dying of preventable diseases, such as measles, but I think provaxxers have to figure out how to engage better, as I have touched upon before.
grunion said:
How the ◊◊◊◊ are we supposed to get through to these kids?
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I know that your question is largely rhetorical, but I will offer Daniel Dennett's ideas as better than anything I can think of ATM:
"« Dennett synthesizes the steps:

How to compose a successful critical commentary:
  1. You should attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly, vividly, and fairly that your target says, “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of putting it that way.”
  2. You should list any points of agreement (especially if they are not matters of general or widespread agreement).
  3. You should mention anything you have learned from your target.
  4. Only then are you permitted to say so much as a word of rebuttal or criticism."
 
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johnny karate said:
Kids dying of measles: Totally cool.

People calling Trump voters stupid: I am emotionally overwhelmed.
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Oh, some Trump voters are stupid, calling them all stupid is simply wrong.
A lot chose Trump as the lesser of two evils....and have found out how wrong that is. THat is different then being a CUlt member.
 
grunion said:
The New York Times has a feature titled "The Rise Of The Crunchy Teen Wellness Influencer" (paywall) discussing the boom in the "health-conscious" high school student market and the influencers that cater to victimize them. Self-proclaimed adherents of the "Make America Healthy Again" movement.

As if eating disorders and food obsession was not already epidemic.





How the ◊◊◊◊ are we supposed to get through to these kids?​

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The problem is our laws about praticing medicine without a licence are way too loose.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Not all Trump voters and not all anti vaxxers are stupid. Some have agile minds but not open minds. How else can we explain the facile (and sometimes detailed) anti vaxxer arguments that take thought and time to rebut? I am not at all cool with kids or anyone else dying of preventable diseases, such as measles, but I think provaxxers have to figure out how to engage better, as I have touched upon before.
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it’s true that some of them are also liars. which is worse and much more deserving of poor treatment imo
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Not all Trump voters and not all anti vaxxers are stupid. Some have agile minds but not open minds. How else can we explain the facile (and sometimes detailed) anti vaxxer arguments that take thought and time to rebut? I am not at all cool with kids or anyone else dying of preventable diseases, such as measles, but I think provaxxers have to figure out how to engage better, as I have touched upon before.
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Counterpoint: This isn't remotely a problem with "provaxxers" (that's like saying "pro-gravity" or "pro-the sun is hot") not engaging better. It's not a problem with "provaxxers" at all.
 
dudalb said:
Oh, some Trump voters are stupid, calling them all stupid is simply wrong.
A lot chose Trump as the lesser of two evils....and have found out how wrong that is. THat is different then being a CUlt member.
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Guess how many ◊◊◊◊◊ I give? (Hint: It's somewhere around "zero".)

Anyone who voted for anti-vaxxersim (and that's all Trump voters) is stupid. I continue to feel very comfortable expressing that point of view.
 
KFF's Stephanie Armour wrote, "The evisceration of the U.S. Agency for International Development could also leave the nation more vulnerable because the agency worked with countries such as Vietnam on early detection of diseases including bird flu. The agency typically would have aided in the response to a current Ebola outbreak in Uganda, providing support that doctors say helped prevent spread in past outbreaks." IIRC this was brought up in the USAID thread, but it belongs here as well.

She continued, "Trump ended hundreds of research projects at the NIH totaling more than $2 billion, including projects on HIV prevention drugs and Alzheimer's disease research. "Patients enrolled in NIH studies led by Plaintiffs face abrupt cancellations of treatment in which they have invested months of time with no explanation or plan for how to mitigate the harm," according to a federal lawsuit filed in Massachusetts by scientists and researchers." If I am reading this correctly, a similar issue also came up in the USAID thread, where the wasteful and unethical nature of cancelling on-going clinical trials was discussed.
 
dudalb said:
That is not what ah hell is saying.
You don't seem to get the idea that people can simply be indifferent to something and just got care until it is too late.
AH Hell nowhere said RFK is smart. He is trying to explain why he has supporters, and saying "they are stupid" is not a good explanation.
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I disagree. Most anti-vaxxers are stupid if they believe a theory that was long ago scientifically debunked. They've got their own personal reasons/ agenda for believing vaccines are dangerous and they cling to them.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
KFF's Stephanie Armour wrote, "The evisceration of the U.S. Agency for International Development could also leave the nation more vulnerable because the agency worked with countries such as Vietnam on early detection of diseases including bird flu. The agency typically would have aided in the response to a current Ebola outbreak in Uganda, providing support that doctors say helped prevent spread in past outbreaks." IIRC this was brought up in the USAID thread, but it belongs here as well.

She continued, "Trump ended hundreds of research projects at the NIH totaling more than $2 billion, including projects on HIV prevention drugs and Alzheimer's disease research. "Patients enrolled in NIH studies led by Plaintiffs face abrupt cancellations of treatment in which they have invested months of time with no explanation or plan for how to mitigate the harm," according to a federal lawsuit filed in Massachusetts by scientists and researchers." If I am reading this correctly, a similar issue also came up in the USAID thread, where the wasteful and unethical nature of cancelling on-going clinical trials was discussed.
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I can see the potential for a lot of class actions.
 
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