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A Thread for Democrats Being Useless

So, you don't support police using tear gas on protestors that are compliant with the law?

Keep in mind, if you are making excuses for use of violence, you are supporting the violence.

Also, again, just because you personally claim to be against it does not mean violence has never been and answer or solution. The state and corporations use violence all the time and then convince us to blame the victims.
 
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Donal said:
So, you don't support police using tear gas on protestors that are compliant with the law?

Keep in mind, if you are making excuses for use of violence, you are supporting the violence.
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I'm done answering your questions until you start answering mine. Which you still haven't done even once here.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm done answering your questions until you start answering mine. Which you still haven't done even once here.
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Considering that you just equated protesting with political violence, it seems the answer to Donal’s question is very much “Yes”.
 
johnny karate said:
Did you post the right link? Because the one you posted is about bail money for protestors and has nothing to do with political violence.
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Protesters at those "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests. Yeah, sure, that had nothing whatsoever to do with political violence. Even though businesses were looted, buildings were burned to the ground (including a police station). Nope, no violence whatsoever. And nothing political about it either.

Go on, pull the other one.
 
I won't condone escalation or hurting innocent people. I won't condemn people for using a proportionate response for self defense. I understand that we must look at the actual cause of the violence instead of just reacting to it and that th burden falls on the powerful to address the issues.

My attitude can be best summed up this way
Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.
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Ziggurat said:
Protesters at those "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests. Yeah, sure, that had nothing whatsoever to do with political violence. Even though businesses were looted, buildings were burned to the ground (including a police station). Nope, no violence whatsoever. And nothing political about it either.

Go on, pull the other one.
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So, innocent until proven guilty?

Anywho, this isn't about the "party of small government" making excuses for the state curb stomping people's First Amendment rights.

this is about the self declared "opposition party" not putting up much of an opposition
 
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Donal said:
I won't condone escalation or hurting innocent people.
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But Trump isn't innocent, so it's OK to kill him. In fact, anyone who voted for Trump isn't innocent, so they're all fair game.

Yeah, I could see this coming a mile away.
 
I'm sure there is a place for your fan fiction. This isn't it.
 
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Ken Martin, the chairman of the Minnesota Democratic Party, was just elected head of the Democratic committee. He's younger and promises a more working class focused Democratic Party, But, before you get too worried that the Democrats have actually learned something, he will still take money from the "good billionaires".

I refuse to believe they are ignorant of the problem when they get so damn close to speaking to it, only to take a hard turn away.
 
Donal said:
For instance, Democrats went along and helped approve Marco Rubio as Secretary of State 99-0. I get he that would get approved anyway, but there's no reason to lie down for that.
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"Lie down" for what??? Rubio was one of the most bipartisan members of the Senate and is an articulate, intelligent moderate conservative. I was pleasantly surprised that Trump nominated him.

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There's also choosing Jerry Connolly as the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, a very powerful and visible position, over a much better communicator in AOC. . . .
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Because AOC is an airhead whose ignorance on policy and history has been exposed more times than one can count. There are lots of videos on this on YouTube.
 
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Donal said:
Back on topic:

Ken Martin, the chairman of the Minnesota Democratic Party, was just elected head of the Democratic committee. He's younger and promises a more working class focused Democratic Party, But, before you get too worried that the Democrats have actually learned something, he will still take money from the "good billionaires".

I refuse to believe they are ignorant of the problem when they get so damn close to speaking to it, only to take a hard turn away.
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from there
Shakir has set himself apart by being more openly critical of the leadership that led the party into the morass it now occupies, calling them out for failing to appeal to a mass base.
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It's the democrats fault when 50% of the people fall for a conman?
-Trump will destory democracy!
-They are eating our cats and dogs.

Which makes sense to the working class base? Apparently cats and dogs.
 
Ziggurat said:
Is it your contention that Democrats cannot win if voter ID requirements become common?
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Voter ID laws are too often accompanied by "unrelated" legislation that makes it more difficult for undesired voters to obtain the required ID.
For example, states that introduced the requirement of an ID issued by their DMV, and then shut down DMV offices in areas that regularly voted Democrat.
 
Armitage72 said:
Voter ID laws are too often accompanied by "unrelated" legislation that makes it more difficult for undesired voters to obtain the required ID.
For example, states that introduced the requirement of an ID issued by their DMV, and then shut down DMV offices in areas that regularly voted Democrat.
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That didn't actually answer my question.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
"Lie down" for what??? Rubio was one of the most bipartisan members of the Senate and is an articulate, intelligent moderate conservative. I was pleasantly surprised that Trump nominated him.
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Do you mean Little Marco? The guy who made jokes about the size of Trump's penis during rallies? The guy who ran to the far right as soon as he realized there was power to be grabbed?

And I like how the first compliment you have for the brown guy is "he speaks so well".
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Because AOC is an airhead whose ignorance on policy and history has been exposed more times than one can count.
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I hope we're not using your counting abilities as the standard there.
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There are lots of videos on this on YouTube.
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Ya, the brown lady is an airhead. I can't wait for you to link one of those videos.

Someone who bows at the Altar of the Orange Pig needn't demean anyone else's intelligence.
 
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Donal said:
Democrats can win elections if the Jim Crow laws take hold. they will just need to be as racist and classist as Republicans.
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Maybe. We'd need help from foreign countries friendly to American Democrats to counter China and Russia's interference in our election. Maybe Canada can coordinate bomb threats at voting stations in red districts, just like the Russians did in Pennsylvania.
 
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