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A Thread for Democrats Being Useless

Donal

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There are times in human history when a person or group sees an overwhelming challenge and fights to overcome it. When darkness falls, someone becomes the light. There are stories of individuals seeing their people beaten down, defeated, and on the brink of despair and rising to meet the moment and lead their people to victory.

This thread is not for those stories. This is about the Democratic Party being almost apologetic for being Democrats. Examples of rolling over for Republicans, failing to use the tools at their disposal, or demonstrating ineptness that would be hysterical if not for the danger of the situation. This is for Democrats making excuses, letting us down, and handing Republicans easy and unnecessary wins.

For instance, Democrats went along and helped approve Marco Rubio as Secretary of State 99-0. I get he that would get approved anyway, but there's no reason to lie down for that.

There's also choosing Jerry Connolly as the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, a very powerful and visible position, over a much better communicator in AOC because it was his turn. "He's a very spry 74-year-old cancer survivor".
 
They're not going to do bupkis, as the party is run by centrists whose idea of opposition to the far right is to bend over, spread their cheeks and shout "do me harder!"

About the only thing they'll do is obstruct left wing efforts at opposition and then turn around and blame the left when it goes belly up.
 
The problem for the Democrats at the moment, is that most of what trump and elonia is doing, and where they are doing the most damage, is outside of Congressional oversight. There's literally nowhere for them to put their opposition on the record. Most of trump's cabinet picks are passing on party lines already, with Rubio being an obvious exception, and from what I gather, it was mostly due to him actually appearing prepared and able to respond to the concerns that the Democrats had. It's telling that he's more or less disappeared from view since being confirmed, as sopposed to some of the more contentious picks.
 
The tale of Dems holding onto norms as not to give Trump an excuse to break norms has been blown out of the water all the way to the Moon.
There is nothing that should be off the table in terms of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ the Trump agenda.
 
They should be playing a completely different game to Trump and Musk. They work through limited channels only (Xitter and Trothe Sential), which is amplified by Fox. It's a top-down flood, but that is vulnerable.

The Dems should be formulating well-liked policies that address the basic issues that Trump and Musk are creating. Workshop it if necessary, but make them appealing to the majority of the USA and answer the problems created by Trump.

Then they need to be working at ground level to make them known in the USA, not through mainstream media. Aim for all local meetings, all the local media, small-town newspapers, etc. Also go to all the international media, constantly and frequently, because they will not be so easy for Trump to silence. Hit the internet; even if it means having to set up websites and outlets in tame but non-US jurisdictions. Use contacts outside the USA, call in favours from international friends.

Eventually the MSM will pick up on these themes and at least discuss them, which will make them known to all of the USA. Trump and Musk can't shut down the whole internet. The Chinese Firewall hasn't worked. So what chance any Trump Freedom Firewall? Even mobile phones have VPNs built in. At the very least, this will become a major distraction from Trump's (i.e. Project 2025's) publicity machine.

And take a course of GROWACET. If they see any chink in the GOP armor, pierce it and ram the spear home. EVERY time. Ruthlessly. Get GOP congress-critters and operatives sent to jail if they break the law and are convicted, e.g. Gaetz.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The tale of Dems holding onto norms as not to give Trump an excuse to break norms has been blown out of the water all the way to the Moon.
There is nothing that should be off the table in terms of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ the Trump agenda.
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What about violence? Should violence be on the table?
 
The strategy is pretty much elections, not this Musk in a china shop technique. And that only works for dismantling anyway.
So the party needs to keep people active and achieving something in blue and purple states. As it is, the constitution failed and there is nothing to do for two years.

The Constitution already failed here.
Marbury had argued that the wording of Section 13 had given the Supreme Court the authority to issue writs of mandamus when hearing cases under exclusive (original) jurisdiction, not only under appellate jurisdiction. As Marshall explains in the opinion, original jurisdiction gives a court the power to be the first to hear and decide a case; appellate jurisdiction gives a court the power to hear an appeal from a lower court's decision and to "revise and correct" the previous decision.
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if any part of the federal government can give itself power...it was up to the voters to keep voting presidents that had some credibility. They did not.
 
Tero said:
So the party needs to keep people active and achieving something in blue and purple states.
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That's going to be pretty hard. Dems aren't actually very good at achieving things, unless they have unlimited budgets. Which state governments don't really have.
Tero said:
As it is, the constitution failed and there is nothing to do for two years.
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The constitution didn't fail. The Democrats just lost an election, because they ran a bad candidate and a bad platform.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's going to be pretty hard. Dems aren't actually very good at achieving things, unless they have unlimited budgets. Which state governments don't really have.

The constitution didn't fail. The Democrats just lost an election, because they ran a bad candidate and a bad platform.
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Yet, the winning party took over congress, the presidency, the supreme court (The Seant/Mitch failed there), the police and the military. The congress contains no tools to remove a felonious leader other than impeach. If they now start passing federal election law, then it is over.

The democratic candidate has nothing to do with this situation. It is the constitution. The Republicans are eating our checks, they are eating our balances.
 
Tero said:
Yet, the winning party took over congress, the presidency, the supreme court (The Seant/Mitch failed there), the police and the military.
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Um... the police are state government, not federal government. And yeah, when one party wins the elections, they get to take over. That's how democracy works. Why should a party that lost the election get to hold onto power?
Tero said:
The congress contains no tools to remove a felonious leader other than impeach.
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In other words, you're upset that Congress cannot easily override the will of voters.
Tero said:
If they now start passing federal election law, then it is over.
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That rather depends upon the laws in question, doesn't it?

Is it your contention that Democrats cannot win if voter ID requirements become common? Is it your contention that Democrats cannot win if voter rolls are purged of ineligible voters?
Tero said:
The democratic candidate has nothing to do with this situation.
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The fact that the Democrats lost the 2024 election has everything to do with the candidate they picked. I don't recall you complaining about this crisis in 2021, but the constitutional situation was exactly the same then as it is now. The only difference is the Democrats won in 2020, and they lost in 2024. At some point in the future, they will win again.
 
Ziggurat said:
Um... the police are state government, not federal government. And yeah, when one party wins the elections, they get to take over. That's how democracy works. Why should a party that lost the election get to hold onto power?
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There are no police at this point to arrest anyone associated with the White House or the federal government . Those are federal jurisdiction. The Trump DOJ will never force anyone to show up at federal court .

All actions in the Treasury not approved by congress are illegal. The Trump congress has to regulate by passing budgets etc. Musk is completely illegal, so are Trump orders of the treasury.
 
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Lots of people are having trouble adjusting to the post-election atmosphere where the fascist Republicans and the communist Democrats shake hands and get along on many things.
 
Is it off the table for you? Just because you aren't committing the violent acts doesn't mean you don't support and benefit from them. Or, at least you think you benefit from them.
 
Donal said:
Is it off the table for you?
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Yes, it is.
Donal said:
Just because you aren't committing the violent acts doesn't mean you don't support and benefit from them.
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I don't support political violence.
Donal said:
Or, at least you think you benefit from them.
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I don't think I benefit from political violence either, though I'm sure you'll accuse me of that anyways. And I note that you have refused to answer my question, even as you accuse me.
 
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