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Trump's Second Term

Our current national debt is not good. It's a big ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ problem. We've been putting off dealing with it for decades as it got worse and worse, with excuse after excuse about why it was OK when it wasn't. Your statement, while true, only serves as a deflection.
And why do you think that the first couple want to do anything about the debt problem? Their actions so far haven't given any indication debt reduction - the kind that would be necessary to do anything about the national debt - is any kind of priority for them?
 
Our current national debt is not good. It's a big ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ problem. We've been putting off dealing with it for decades as it got worse and worse, with excuse after excuse about why it was OK when it wasn't. Your statement, while true, only serves as a deflection.
I'm not even remotely a fan of our national debt, either. It's just that... if you actually cared about that issue, you'd be supporting Democrats. Full stop.

The Republicans have been embracing the Two Santa Clauses strategy since Reagan and have been actively working to make things worse on that front, regardless of their deceitful rhetoric. As for Trump, specifically, he was insanely horrible for the debt last time and I don't see that being meaningfully better this time. Your statement seems to be little other than a deflection from those truths, in usual Republican fashion.

Also, by chance, was it you who was defending large debts in previous Republican presidencies because more money moving around is good for the economy?
 
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Trump spent the weekend playing golf and being driven around a racetrack at Daytona while Kentucky, among other states, is basically underwater.

If Biden or any Democrat president was at a car race waving at the crowd from his limo the day after a major national disaster had 3 states underwater with fatalities the media would have been trashing him and Twitter would have been in a frenzy over it.

Trump?

Not a peep, the President is responsible for everything has been replaced with the President is not responsible for anything.
 
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Our current national debt is not good. It's a big ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ problem. We've been putting off dealing with it for decades as it got worse and worse, with excuse after excuse about why it was OK when it wasn't. Your statement, while true, only serves as a deflection.
Clinton balanced the budget. We were talking about eliminating the national debt by 2010. Not the deficit, the debt. Then Bush showed up, cut taxes for the rich, and in a few months they were talking about working hard to cut the deficit in half in ten years.

Why should Democrats agree to any spending cuts to reduce the deficit if the GOP will just blow those "savings" on tax cuts for the rich the first chance they get? That's not a rhetorical question by the way. I actually would like to hear a conservative give me an answer to that one.
 
I'm not even remotely a fan of our national debt, either. It's just that... if you actually cared about that issue, you'd be supporting Democrats. Full stop.
Yeah, no. No you wouldn't.
The Republicans have been embracing the Two Santa Clauses strategy since Reagan
I don't even disagree. But the thing is, Trump isn't a standard Republican. In fact, a very significant component of the Republican opposition to Trump comes from the fact that he threatens to disrupt their gravy train. The fact that prior Republicans have also been bad on the budget isn't an argument in favor of Democrats. None of the current Democrats have anything like Bill Clinton's fiscal responsibility.
As for Trump, specifically, he was insanely horrible for the debt last time and I don't see that being meaningfully better this time.
Oh, I do. He's like a completely different president in regards to the budget. Last time I think he basically left the issue to Congress, because he wasn't ready to handle it on his own, and that didn't work out great. I absolutely agree on that. This time is different. This time he's making moves that he never even tried last time. This time he's not deferring to Congressional Republicans.
Also, by chance, was it you who was defending large debts in previous Republican presidencies because more money moving around is good for the economy?
I have no idea who you're referring to, but it absolutely wasn't me.
 
Why should Democrats agree to any spending cuts to reduce the deficit if the GOP will just blow those "savings" on tax cuts for the rich the first chance they get? That's not a rhetorical question by the way. I actually would like to hear a conservative give me an answer to that one.


Because the dems (IMO) are better in many ways than most of my fellow republicans who are stupid beyond belief.


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Clinton balanced the budget.
Bill Clinton isn't running the party. No current Democrat candidates look anything like Bill Clinton.
Why should Democrats agree to any spending cuts to reduce the deficit if the GOP will just blow those "savings" on tax cuts for the rich the first chance they get?
For one, the spending cuts need to happen even if you raise taxes. We are in too deep a hole for tax increases to dig us out of. For another, they should negotiate for keeping the taxes they want. Offer spending cuts in exchange for keeping taxes. You know, do their job as politicians.
 
Surely last time it was Elon and Donald they were 'liberated' from.
What does that even mean?

Is that supposed to be a World War Two reference?

Germany wasn’t “liberated”. It was defeated. France was liberated. From Nazi Germany. If anything, he wants to bring the latter back.
 
The US State Department has dropped a statement from its website which stated that Washington does not support Taiwan's independence - a move which has sparked anger in China.

China said the revision "sends a wrong... signal to separatist forces advocating for Taiwan independence", and asked the US to "correct its mistakes".

The department's fact sheet on Taiwan-US relations earlier included the phrase "we do not support Taiwan independence" - this was removed last week as part of what it said was a "routine" update.

 
Yeah, no. No you wouldn't.

If you're invested in a fantasy narrative, I suppose.

I don't even disagree. But the thing is, Trump isn't a standard Republican.

Well, it's certainly true that Trump isn't a "standard Republican." That doesn't make him better at all, though, either in general or on this subject. Trump's far more invested in personal gain than anything that even resembles responsible budget management. He showed that plenty well last time and is certainly already showing it this time, too. He is an extreme Corruption leader of a pro-Corruption Party. Fantasizing that he'd be good for the budget takes quite the mental gymnastics.

In fact, a very significant component of the Republican opposition to Trump comes from the fact that he threatens to disrupt their gravy train. The fact that prior Republicans have also been bad on the budget isn't an argument in favor of Democrats. None of the current Democrats have anything like Bill Clinton's fiscal responsibility.

Mmm. Fantasy narratives. In reality, overall, Democrats have been focused on responsibility and focused on investing in things that will pay off in the future. Not perfectly so, of course, but overall. Meanwhile, Republicans have been focused on short-term gains at the cost of much larger long-term gains and on helping the already absurdly wealthy.

Oh, I do. He's like a completely different president in regards to the budget. Last time I think he basically left the issue to Congress, because he wasn't ready to handle it on his own, and that didn't work out great. I absolutely agree on that. This time is different. This time he's making moves that he never even tried last time. This time he's not deferring to Congressional Republicans.

...The power of the purse is Congress', not the President's. The President can submit proposals, certainly, but the ultimate power doesn't rest with him. In his last term, the budgets that Trump proposed were largely wildly irresponsible, simply speaking. Now, you're looking forward to wild irresponsibility achieved by tearing up the Constitution?
 
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The US State Department has dropped a statement from its website which stated that Washington does not support Taiwan's independence - a move which has sparked anger in China.

China said the revision "sends a wrong... signal to separatist forces advocating for Taiwan independence", and asked the US to "correct its mistakes".

The department's fact sheet on Taiwan-US relations earlier included the phrase "we do not support Taiwan independence" - this was removed last week as part of what it said was a "routine" update.

That’s one thing I can agree with the Trump admin on then. Support of de facto independence for Taiwan.

Of course, China might look over at Saudi Arabia where the US is selling out Ukraine to Russia and calculate that the Trump admins can be persuaded on Taiwan too. All it should take is the right price. Taiwan wouldn’t even need to be consulted.
 
Trump's far more invested in personal gain than anything that even resembles responsible budget management. He showed that plenty well last time and is certainly already showing it this time, too.
Trump lost money by becoming president. Perhaps the only person to do so in the past 100 years.
He is an extreme Corruption leader of a pro-Corruption Party.
Yeah, coming on the heals of Big Man Biden, I can't take this complaint seriously.
Fantasizing that he'd be good for the budget takes quite the mental gymnastics.
And yet, he's cutting spending. And that's what people are (predictably) most upset by.
Mmm. Fantasy narratives. Overall, Democrats have been focused on responsibility and focused on investing in things that will pay off in the future.
That there is your fantasy narrative.
 
Trump lost money by becoming president. Perhaps the only person to do so in the past 100 years.

Yeah, coming on the heals of Big Man Biden, I can't take this complaint seriously.

And yet, he's cutting spending. And that's what people are (predictably) most upset by.

That there is your fantasy narrative.
Your willful blindness and history of extreme mental gymnastics doesn't make your position all that credible. *shrug*

Trump lost money? Not for lack of trying underhanded methods to gain it.

Biden? The guy that the Republican Party put under a microscope and failed to find anything of note?

It's all about spending cuts? That's a caricature of what's going on.
 
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