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Windows 11

TragicMonkey said:
The rules for new versions seem to be

1. Anything that doesn't need to be changed? Change it!
2. Anything that desperately needs to be changed? Find out what's wrong with it and make it worse.
3. Respond to all complaints "it'll be fixed in the next version."
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No I'd say it is more:

"Hey all my friends in Seattle work like I do, so everyone wants to use their devices like I do!"
 
Darat said:
Nope the trend has been away from that, and it continues in 11. For example the following is not installed in a fresh install:

3D Viewer
OneNote for Windows 10
Paint 3D
Skype
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Skype is just being integrated into "Teams", which is now going to be part of the OS itself. They're introducing a bunch of widgets.

And in the old days I certainly never used to have a folder that featured programmes that I don't use and don't want and which either can't be uninstalled, or if they can then are automatically re-installed every update.

You're right that in literally the last couple of months they've finally listened to the cries of users and reduced a tiny amount of the bloat. But that's a small step back from a decades-long trend.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I think my biggest gripe with this is that you need a Microsoft account to download and install it. I've gone all these years without a Microsoft account, and it would seem like a shame to capitulate now.
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I'm a bit confused on this part, and I'll dig into it after a bit, but what about domain joins? If you just have to make an account to download the ISO or whatever, then I'm not concerned, but I'll be damned if I'm going to create 50 microsoft accounts just so they can use the windows OS. If that is the case I would actually consider looking at other OS's and moving the office over. I've already got two on Ubuntu that like it more than Microsoft anyway.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Skype is just being integrated into "Teams", which is now going to be part of the OS itself. They're introducing a bunch of widgets.

And in the old days I certainly never used to have a folder that featured programmes that I don't use and don't want and which either can't be uninstalled, or if they can then are automatically re-installed every update.

You're right that in literally the last couple of months they've finally listened to the cries of users and reduced a tiny amount of the bloat. But that's a small step back from a decades-long trend.
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Nope they've been doing it for years.
 
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"The good news is that if you do not like the new Start Menu, you can switch back to the 'Classic' Windows 10 Start Menu and left-align the taskbar, so it looks pretty much like Windows 10."
 
I wonder if I'll be able to keep it off my laptop this time?

The thing barely runs with Windows 10, which I kept refusing until the ******* silently installed it overnight.

(And broke a lot of one-off installed apps to which were installed to communicate with proprietary hardware)
 
novaphile said:
I wonder if I'll be able to keep it off my laptop this time?

The thing barely runs with Windows 10, which I kept refusing until the ******* silently installed it overnight.

(And broke a lot of one-off installed apps to which were installed to communicate with proprietary hardware)
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Choosing beggar. Greedy greedy greedy. You want all the benefits of a modern and comprehensive operating system, without being beholden in any way to the people who are providing you with that operating system.
 
I bought a new microwave a few months ago. Most of the buttons are the same as my previous ones, but the Start and Stop buttons are switched. I still go for the Stop button first by habit almost every day.

I haven't driven a stick shift in almost 30 years, yet I still find myself on rare occasions reaching for it to shift gears.

Firefox recently made a change to their appearance, making the menu items spaced farther apart ostensibly making them easier to see. But it's more mouse travel and I had to visually search to find the bookmarks I use daily. Fortunately I found a way to get them back the way I like because I can almost find my regular links blindfolded that way due to muscle memory.

So, I'm not fond of positional changes for things my body automatically knows how to do.
 
alfaniner said:
I bought a new microwave a few months ago. Most of the buttons are the same as my previous ones, but the Start and Stop buttons are switched. I still go for the Stop button first by habit almost every day.

I haven't driven a stick shift in almost 30 years, yet I still find myself on rare occasions reaching for it to shift gears.

Firefox recently made a change to their appearance, making the menu items spaced farther apart ostensibly making them easier to see. But it's more mouse travel and I had to visually search to find the bookmarks I use daily. Fortunately I found a way to get them back the way I like because I can almost find my regular links blindfolded that way due to muscle memory.

So, I'm not fond of positional changes for things my body automatically knows how to do.
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Yeah, as I say, I imagine that most people with a little bit of nous will put it back immediately, in the same way that it's common to see people with a classic start menu, rather than the start screen, or whatever 10 has now.
 
As has been mentioned TPM is a necessary condition for upgrading to Win11.

However, it is not a sufficient one, and CPU age seems to be a somewhat hit or miss factor.

I was unsurprised that my ~6 year old laptop with a 9 year old AMD A8 CPU wasn't going to make the cut, but disappointed that my 2 year old laptop with a 3 year old AMD Ryzen 2500u does not. It has TPM 2.0, which is enabled (I checked the BIOS), but for some reason Windows doesn't want to recognize it.

I checked for the AMD PSP fTPM support in the BIOS mentioned in the Bleeping Computer article William Parcher so helpfully linked to (Thanks, WP :)), but could not find such a setting. I suspect this may have something to do with the problem.

The CPU in question is not included on MS's list of compatible CPUs. This is also probably a contributing factor. Why it is not is a puzzle, since it seems to satisfy the horsepower,speed, and bandwidth requirements.

Here's the the thing. There are a whole lot of computers out there, desktop and laptop and tablet, which aren't going to make the cut. It isn't just a handful of older models.

And MS has announced the End Of Life for Win 10 to be 2025. So in four years none of those computers are going to get any security updates or support.

My older laptop has a 17" screen, which means it is my goto device for most sustained reading. It has been chugging along so well that I swapped out the original HDD for an SSD, and have been quite pleased with the improvement, especially when booting up.

My other laptop is a 15+" which does very well, much faster than her big sister, and barring blow-ups I had hoped for it to hang in there as well.

We aren't talking phones here, people. These gizmos are expensive, and now MS is essentially deciding by fiat that a huge chunk of the computer using public is going to have to buy new machines in four years or suffer the consequences.

Not a pretty look.

But I guess we know now why Win 10 wasn't the last version after all.
 
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quadraginta said:
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We aren't talking phones here, people. These gizmos are expensive, and now MS is essentially deciding by fiat that a huge chunk of the computer using public is going to have to buy new machines in four years or suffer the consequences.

Not a pretty look.

But I guess we know now why Win 10 wasn't the last version after all.
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That will be 10 years of supporting a product, I don't think that is an unreasonably short time.

Plus knowing MS's past there will still be critical patches issued.
 
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