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Windows 10

Trebuchet said:
Please ship me your computer.
On my old XP one I use occasionally, it's guaranteed to crash as soon as I get more than two tabs open. And it crashed on the decent Win7 laptop just this morning. (This is on Chrome. YMMV)
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Never crashed for me either. Did you:

Check for conflicts in device manager.

Keep it updated.

Sacrifice a goat to Thor and dance wearing its blood at a crossroads under Durin's Moon?
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
Never crashed for me either. Did you:

Check for conflicts in device manager.

Keep it updated. [...]?
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It's Flash updates that seem to cause my computers (which control laboratory equipment) the most trouble.
I've tried turning-off the auto-updates, but it seems to turn itself back on after a while.
 
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John Jones said:
It's Flash updates that seem to cause my computers (which control laboratory equipment) the most trouble.
I've tried turning-off the auto-updates, but it seems to turn itself back on after a while.
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"Sometimes merriment can be a greater burden than battle."

"Then you're doing one of them wrong."

I.e., you may have had a partial installation that was ghosting you.
 
Trebuchet said:
Please ship me your computer.
On my old XP one I use occasionally, it's guaranteed to crash as soon as I get more than two tabs open. And it crashed on the decent Win7 laptop just this morning. (This is on Chrome. YMMV)
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Chrome has its own version of Flash built in. You could try disabling it, then downloading the standard plug-in version of it from here to use instead.
 
Rat said:
Chrome has its own version of Flash built in. You could try disabling it, then downloading the standard plug-in version of it from here to use instead.
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Been there, done that.

Upgrading Flash, or anything, from Adobe tends to bring along unwanted baggage, like the "free" McAfee scan I wound up with whether I wanted it or not.
 
Trebuchet said:
Been there, done that.

Upgrading Flash, or anything, from Adobe tends to bring along unwanted baggage, like the "free" McAfee scan I wound up with whether I wanted it or not.
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Nope, not if you download it from the link that I supplied. That will never come with any extra crap. Even if you download it from the normal page, you only have to untick the box to not add the bloat.
 
Rat said:
I don't have strong feelings about Flash in either direction, but I can't off the top of my head recall it having crashed once, let alone every day.
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My experience seems to indicate it's all the Flash on different web tabs all trying to play at once on 32 bit Firefox.. Some very busy pages will have, at a guess, ten or more Flash trying to all play at once.

I am trying Chrome to see if it works any better.
 
It seems that Microsoft is trying to move Windows to a subscription service. So after the first free year of Windows 10, you may have to pay $10/month or similar if you want to enjoy continued support.
 
ceptimus said:
It's all just speculation at the moment, but you have to ask where Microsoft expects to earn its money in future.

Here's a link (Redmond mag)
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx
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I would think that PC manufacturers are still paying a license fee for selling devices running Windows (which adds up to the price of the device, so are still paid by the end user eventually).

For Office, MS has already moved to a subscription service.

Just because MS is not charging private end users for the operating system does not mean they make no money, or that the end user is paying in the end after all indirectly.

And I would think that it worthwhile to distinguish between private use and professional/business/company/enterprise use. As a private user, a subscription model for the OS is unthinkable. Even for software packages like Office or Adobe's suite the subscription model is only interesting for people who need it for their livelihood.

For a company, I can imagine that a subscription model even of the OS could work.
 
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The problem with a subscription plan for software is that if there is a better product produced by someone else it would be very cheap for everyone to use the new product. But if I buy a product I want to use it for many years even if a better product has been produced in the meantime.
 
rjh01 said:
The problem with a subscription plan for software is that if there is a better product produced by someone else it would be very cheap for everyone to use the new product. But if I buy a product I want to use it for many years even if a better product has been produced in the meantime.
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I'm running Office 7 and have no complaints.
 
I have the same trouble with Adobe Flash on my trusty old (5 years!) notebook. I attribute it to a lot of baggage after these many years of frequent updates to W7, FF and Flash.

So, would updating to W10 remove that baggage? W10 is just like a regular W7 update, only more intrusive as far as e.g. desktop design is concerned. I.e. it will keep all my installed programs and settings as they are, right? Including the fragments of old versions that still live a ghost live, all the little bits of malware that might have accumulated undetected?
 
elgarak said:
I would think that PC manufacturers are still paying a license fee for selling devices running Windows (which adds up to the price of the device, so are still paid by the end user eventually).

For Office, MS has already moved to a subscription service.

Just because MS is not charging private end users for the operating system does not mean they make no money, or that the end user is paying in the end after all indirectly.

And I would think that it worthwhile to distinguish between private use and professional/business/company/enterprise use. As a private user, a subscription model for the OS is unthinkable. Even for software packages like Office or Adobe's suite the subscription model is only interesting for people who need it for their livelihood.

For a company, I can imagine that a subscription model even of the OS could work.
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I disagree , I only use office and photoshop in what is really personal use and I would much rather have the subscription than the old model. The office subscription is great value for a personal user, I have it installed on several devices and even on two family members PCs. That used to cost me a fortune upfront every few years now it is a very low monthly cost, in terms that are used today it's not even the cost of a couple of badly made, poor coffee, over priced drinks at one of these revolting coffee shops.

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