What will Iran bomb first?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Of course, they turn off electricity in their major cities every day just for
the fun of it!

Must be.

I've put the answer right under your nose twice now and yet you still can't see it.

Are you stupid or just obstinate?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

While it is true Iran produces enough crude oil, the country lacks sufficient refinery capacity to turn it into useful products: a mere 1.6 million barrels per day a year ago.

They could choose to build the needed refinery capacity along with a few more conventional power-plants. Instead they choose to build gas centrifuge cascades.

But that wouldn't give them the "holocaust-in-a-can" they are after, would it?

 

[Oliver]

Must be.

I've put the answer right under your nose twice now and yet you still can't see it.

Are you stupid or just obstinate?

Well, I could ask you the same. However - if the US would face those
circumstances like Iran has right now, everyone including you would
cry for nuclear energy. But if Iran does it: "They want Nukes". Yeah,
exactly the kind of logic I suspected.

Plus what egslim said.

Anyway: Still no Idea what Iran would attack as retaliation? [You remember
that OP-thingy, don't you?]

 

[Darth Rotor]

And for clarification, I should add that if Israel and the US thinks that
Iran is an enemy of Israel right now - you may have no Idea what Israels status will be after the strike against Iran's nuclear facilities...

1. Are you aware that the part I underlined are two nouns and a conjunction?

2. What strike on Iranian nuclear facilities? Are you bucking for the million?

3. A wave of radicalism spreading throughout the whole Iranian State including the moderate Iranians comes to mind. Just like after 9/11, when everybody
cried "retaliation!".

I'd substitute chauvinism for radicalism in that last bit, but I actually agree with you that an enemy without will provide a rallying point for the diverse elements of Iranian social and political groups.

I think one might call "moderate Iranians" "Persians" but that's a bit of hairsplitting and wordplay.

 

[Darth Rotor]

While it is true Iran produces enough crude oil, the country lacks sufficient refinery capacity to turn it into useful products: a mere 1.6 million barrels per day a year ago.

A question worth asking is why Iran never bothered to bolster its infrastrcture, though I think part of the answer is reliance on some of their PG neighbors.

How are the US and Iran similar? Less than brilliant domestic energy policy. Hey, we have something in common, maybe we can talk to these people.

 

[FireGarden]

They could choose to build the needed refinery capacity along with a few more conventional power-plants.

They're doing that too:
http://www.payvand.com/news/07/feb/1215.html

The Abadan refinery was rebuilt after the war with Iraq; the Arak refinery was completed in 1993; Bandar Abbas refinery in 1997.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3932439/IRAN-The-Refineries.html

But, even for Iran, oil only lasts so long. Why should they burn it rather than sell it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

In March 1974, the Shah envisioned a time when the world's oil supply would run out, and declared, "Petroleum is a noble material, much too valuable to burn... We envision producing, as soon as possible, 23 000 megawatts of electricity using nuclear plants."

[...] At the time, Richard Cheney was the White House Chief of Staff, and Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense. The Ford strategy paper said the "introduction of nuclear power will both provide for the growing needs of Iran's economy and free remaining oil reserves for export or conversion to petrochemicals."

And read this ad:
Guess who's building nuclear power plants?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Shah-nukeIran.jpg



Iran has a right to nuclear technology. It's a big-money business. In 50 years, the USA might be building reactors based on an Iranian design -- and paying for the privilege!

 

[Oliver]

The thing is, Firegarden, that some people in here get some other
type of news in contrast to the rest of the world. I use to call it
Singlesided Propaganga News.

 

[RandFan]

Of course, they turn off electricity in their major cities every day just for the fun of it!

Did you bother to read your article?

a result of bad planning and corruption

They turn off electricity because of stupidity and corruption.

Did you even read the article?

Did you?

And what do you think, will be Iran's Target after the bombing of their Reactor?

And how many nukes will America send to Iran in retaliation of Iran's bombing of Iraq? And how many nukes will Russia send to America in retaliation?

 

[RandFan]

The thing is, Firegarden, that some people in here get some other type of news in contrast to the rest of the world. I use to call it.

In all sincerity I've never seen a hint of objectivity from you. You regurgitate left wing talking points as if that is your breakfast.

I honestly don't think you know what real news is.

Look in the mirror sometime.

 

[Oliver]

Did you bother to read your article? They turn off electricity because of stupidity and corruption.

Did you?

And how many nukes will America send to Iran in retaliation of Iran's bombing of Iraq? And how many nukes will Russia send to America in retaliation?

Yes, I read the article. It doesn't matter what caused the energy
problem - it matters how to solve it. And some crazy fundamentalists
coming from abroad and making it worse, surely does lead to even more
radicalism inside Iran. Maybe Russia may even sponsor some Nukes to
their friends in Iran? That really would make me laugh as a result of
Israels hawkish stupidity to prevent Iran from having Nukes.

 

[SDC]

It is foolish to imagine that the Russians will supply Iran with nuclear weapons. No one in his/ her right mind believes that, Oliver. As for "friends" like Putin's government, well...

Oliver, you certainly appear to be moving beyond discussion into advocacy. Do you ever re-read your messages?

 

[RandFan]

That really would make me laugh as a result of
Israels hawkish stupidity to prevent Iran from having Nukes.

Damn that would be so funny. We should have a party. Think how funny it will be when Israelis have radiation poisioning. It's just too damn funny.

 

[Oliver]

It is foolish to imagine that the Russians will supply Iran with nuclear weapons. No one in his/ her right mind believes that, Oliver. As for "friends" like Putin's government, well...

Oliver, you certainly appear to be moving beyond discussion into advocacy. Do you ever re-read your messages?

Seriously. Do you guys ever follow the political news outside the election circus?

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Russia-Iran nuclear deal signed
http://cns.miis.edu/research/iran/rusnuc.htmRussia ratchets up US tensions with arms sales to Iran
Nuclear and Missile Technology Assistance to Iranhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4781027.ece

Hello? Anybody out there?

 

[SDC]

Oliver, do you claim that the Russians would give or sell nuclear weapons to Iran? That was the question. My answer is "not damned likely." I am well aware that they are supplying other nuclear technology.

So did Putin call you up (he speaks fluent German, I believe, since he was stationed there as a young man) and tell you otherwise? "Yes, Oliver Oliverovich, I have decided to supply Iran with actual nuclear weapons."

ETA: I do not really believe your patronymic is "Oliverovich." I just tossed that in for the heck of it.

ETA2: And what do you mean by "you guys"?

 

[RandFan]

Seriously. Do you guys ever follow the political news outside the election circus?

Sure, we just don't drink your kool-aid.

Thanks though.

 

[egslim]

They could choose to build the needed refinery capacity along with a few more conventional power-plants. Instead they choose to build gas centrifuge cascades.

They are trying to build the needed refinery capacity, unfortunately, the sanctions are in the way.

Though from the Iranian perspective, a few years of economic hardship now seems a worthwhile investment to obtain permanent security against US attack in the future.

But regardless of whether you consider it self-imposed, you do admit Iran actually faces an energy crisis.

 

[egslim]

A question worth asking is why Iran never bothered to bolster its infrastrcture, though I think part of the answer is reliance on some of their PG neighbors.

Despite its considerable energy resources, Iran is fairly poor on a per capita basis, because it's population is so large, and because the country is very mountaineous. Also remember that oil prices were an order of magnitude lower only about ten years ago. Poor relations with the US didn't help either for attracting foreign investment.

I agree Iran should have bolstered its infrastructure before, but considering domestic economic difficulties that was probably easier said than done.

 

[Matteo Martini]

Oliver, do you claim that the Russians would give or sell nuclear weapons to Iran? That was the question. My answer is "not damned likely." I am well aware that they are supplying other nuclear technology.
[..]

Why not likely?

1) Russia is pissed off by the American Government, recently
2) If they sell weapons to Iran secretly, they may not be discovered;
3) Russia/Iran relations are quite good, recently
4) Iran having weapons would would weaken America` s position in the area; to the advantage of Russia

 

[gtc]

2) If they sell weapons to Iran secretly, they may not be discovered;

What is the point of having nuclear weapons if no one knows you have them?

 

[egslim]

Why not likely?

Because selling nukes to Iran dilutes Russia's own position in the world as a nuclear power.

1) Russia is pissed off by the American Government, recently

If they want to hurt the US, better do it with something that benefits themselves. Sevastopol springs to mind. Hurting yourself because it also hurts your enemy is poor strategy.

2) If they sell weapons to Iran secretly, they may not be discovered;

Perhaps, but that's no reason to do it.

3) Russia/Iran relations are quite good, recently

They are also long term competitors as energy suppliers.

4) Iran having weapons would would weaken America` s position in the area; to the advantage of Russia

Not really, since Russia doesn't have the clout to take America's place in the Gulf.