What will Iran bomb first?

[Oliver]

For those who voted "All of the above": Based on what rational thoughts?

 

[WildCat]

For those who voted "All of the above": Based on what rational thoughts?

They're making fun of you.

 

[Dragoonster]

So no thoughts on that missle I linked to that could possibly reach Tel Aviv etc? On a casual look it also seems it's targetting is quite poor. If true and Iran counterattacks, would they be justified in sending those towards valid targets (perhaps within or near populated cities) with the expectation that they would likely miss?

 

[Darth Rotor]

So Ahmadinejad isn't a Mullah? [Need confirmation on that for the ignorant Idiots out there]

Uh, no, he is not. He's the president. See this diagram:

And yes, that's the point of this thread. It's in no way anti-semitic to point out that Iran will not laugh about the fundamentalists aggressive approaches.

Care to explain what you think the words I underlined in your statement mean? As written, they are gibberish.

What do you expect Iran's retaliation is going to be once somebody smashes their hope to get their energy-crisis under control?

Nuclear energy isn't their sole solution set to their energy problem. Refining and developing their reserves are also issues their government needs to address. No one needs to bomb them for them to sustain a self inflicted wound on the petroleum score.

Not sure what their reaction would be, but given a certain amount of Persian Pride, doubtless they'd find a way to make some people bleed. As they say, payback can be a sumbitch.

DR

 

[RandFan]

...Iran will not laugh about the fundamentalists aggressive approaches.

Goes both ways. Israel isn't laughing either. They are taking Irans rhetoric very seriously.

 

[RandFan]

Uh, no, he is not. He's the president. See this diagram:

Either my cynicism is unfounded or your optimism is infinite.

 

[RandFan]

For those who voted "All of the above": Based on what rational thoughts?

I can't accept that there exists a place absent of idiots. As Holmes said, "once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth".

Think of planet X as Z and and all of the above as X.

X cannot be not X.

 

[Oliver]

Uh, no, he is not. He's the president. See this diagram:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_10962464c89629bdc2.png

Care to explain what you think the words I underlined in your statement mean? As written, they are gibberish.

Nuclear energy isn't their sole solution set to their energy problem. Refining and developing their reserves are also issues their government needs to address. No one needs to bomb them for them to sustain a self inflicted wound on the petroleum score.

Not sure what their reaction would be, but given a certain amount of Persian Pride, doubtless they'd find a way to make some people bleed. As they say, payback can be a sumbitch.

DR

What exactly is gibberish about the fact that those who are pushing
for an attack on Iran despite the evidence are fundamentalists themselves?
This also includes "World Police"-, Christian- and Jewish politically
fundamental ideologies/worldviews/philosophies.

Also: The Iranians don't have to do anything the western fundamentalists
demand. They are a sovereign country. They just could quit their member-
ship with the IAEA and kick every inspector out of the country. Then you
could start to go ape about the blackout.

And for clarification: If you hold the opinion of "We have the right to do
everything if we like to", then welcome to the world of fundamentalism -
or good ol' Caucasian Worldview, if you prefer to name it this way.

However: This thread is about possible targets and why people think
it will be a probable target.

Shall I explain what possible targets means so we can discuss on-topic?

 

[RandFan]

And for clarification: If you hold the opinion of "We have the right to do everything if we like to", then welcome to the world of fundamentalism - or good ol' Caucasian Worldview, if you prefer to name it this way.

?

You make an argument why this kind of thinking is universal and I'm thinking, damn, Oliver is actually sounding coherent. Then you label it "Caucasian worldview". As if the problems of this world are caused only by white Europeans (yes that includes Americans). Your hypocrisy is showing again.

Shall I explain what possible targets means so we can discuss on-topic?

To what end? Caucasians are bad. What more do you need to say?

Oliver, if you really want a serious and sincere discussion you need to behave in a serious and sincere way.

 

[Oliver]

Just to let you know that this topic isn't out of touch with reality:

Todays News:

JP: Ahmadinejad: We'll stop any attacker
AFP: Ahmadinejad warns of response if Iran attacked
PTV: PTV: Iran's armed forces fully prepared

"Hundreds of troops marched past the official podium, followed by military hardware, including the Shahab-3 missile, which television commentators said had a range of 2,000 km (1,250 miles), putting Israel in range." Source: WP

 

[RandFan]

"Hundreds of troops marched past the official podium, followed by military hardware, including the Shahab-3 missile, which television commentators said had a range of 2,000 km (1,250 miles), putting Israel in range." Source: WP

Iran isn't helping itself or the world. It's suicidal.

"We and you ought not pull on the ends of a rope in which you have tied the knots of war. Because the more the two of us pull the tighter the knot will be tied. And then it will be necessary to cut that knot, and what that would mean is not for me to explain to you. I have participated in two wars and know that war ends when it has rolled through cities and villages, everywhere sowing death and destruction. For such is the logic of war. If people do not display wisdom they will clash like blind moles and then mutual annihilation will commence."

--a message from Khrushchev to Kennedy concerning the Cuban Missile Crisis

 

[Oliver]

Iran isn't helping itself or the world. It's suicidal.

I fully understand that. So I would argue that destroying Irans nuclear
facilities in the first place is making the Knot as tight as it could get.
After that, everything is possible and out of international control.

 

[Oliver]

And for clarification, I should add that if Israel and the US thinks that
Iran is an enemy of Israel right now - you may have no Idea what Israels
status will be after the strike against Iran's nuclear facilities...

A wave of radicalism spreading throughout the whole Iranian State including
the moderate Iranians comes to mind. Just like after 9/11, when everybody
cried "retaliation!".

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

By the way, DR: What do you expect Iran's retaliation is going to be once somebody
smashes their hope to get their energy-crisis under control?

Iran, being in a huge energy crisis anyway, will lose it's
nuclear plant.

I'm sorry... but this bizarre belief of yours that Iran is in an "energy crisis" is utterly absurd.

They export 2 million barrels of oil per day, can build 6,000 centrifuges yet they can't light a barrel of oil underneath a boiler?

That's just plain stupid to think that. There is no Iranian energy crisis.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

And for clarification, I should add that if Israel and the US thinks that
Iran is an enemy of Israel right now - you may have no Idea what Israels
status will be after the strike against Iran's nuclear facilities...

In other words, we should let Iran nuke Israel because otherwise they might get really mad?

 

[Oliver]

I'm sorry... but this bizarre belief of yours that Iran is in an "energy crisis" is utterly absurd.

They export 2 million barrels of oil per day, can build 6,000 centrifuges yet they can't light a barrel of oil underneath a boiler?

That's just plain stupid to think that. There is no Iranian energy crisis.

Of course there is none in YOUR news...

Iran's lights are going out

 

[egslim]

Iran isn't helping itself or the world. It's suicidal.

In what way do you consider Iran suicidal? Step away from the rethoric for a moment, and look at its actions. I've always considered actions more important than words anyway.

Showcasing missiles that can hit Israel, while under conceivable threat of airstrike from said country, is not suicidal, it's a very reasonable move to (hopefully) act as a deterrent.

Irans actions have always been pragmatic with regards to its national security and economic interests, its "Persian pride", and with a little religion mixed in. Its state-owned condom factory proves the country's policy makers are not crazed religious fanatics. Their actions are arguably more secular than those of contemporary US politics.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Of course there is none in YOUR news...

Iran's lights are going out

Fine... I'll say it again.

Iran exports 2 million barrels of oil a day.

There is no Iranian energy crisis.

 

[Oliver]

Fine... I'll say it again.

Iran exports 2 million barrels of oil a day.

There is no Iranian energy crisis.

Of course, they turn off electricity in their major cities every day just for
the fun of it!

[Did you even read the article?]

And what do you think, will be Iran's Target after the bombing of their Reactor?

 

[egslim]

Iran exports 2 million barrels of oil a day.

There is no Iranian energy crisis.

While it is true Iran produces enough crude oil, the country lacks sufficient refinery capacity to turn it into useful products: a mere 1.6 million barrels per day a year ago.