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What is the definition of “I”? -- “I” is the software which runs on neural-network-HW

Who will be my control group if I'm busy mangling my psyche on the way to an Institution? Seems cruel of you to suggest it.

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I don't see how you can know that "During imagining process the main personality has full total control over the objects which are being imagined."

Got any evidence?
 
Question for barehl: have you already done the experiment of “spiritualistic séance”? have you already succeeded in “invoking spirit” which is able to carry meaningful conversation?
No, since this doesn't exist.

If you have not done the experiment and if you have failed to “invoke spirit” which is able to carry meaningful conversation, then your philosophical-theoretical blabber is worthless that would make you a normal, sane person.
Fixed that for you.

Do your homework – carry out the experiment of “spiritualistic séance”, invoke the “spirit”, have meaningful conversation with that “spirit” – and come back only after you have done your home assignment.
Blaming someone else when your voodoo fails. You must have read the John Edward playbook.
 
That is exactly how scientific medical experiments are done. Medical experiments are different from experiments in physics.
Medical experiments are carried out on statistically large sample of people who are split into two groups: 1) an “experimental group”, and 2) a “control group.”
Medical procedure/drug might fail to produce the desired predicted result for the concrete patient, however if it works on large enough percentage of the patients, then the drug/procedure gets accepted.
Experiments that support Neurocluster Brain Model are exactly the same as medical experiments.

All such a clinical trial does is show if action A causes result B. Check this out:


A list of some drugs that currently have no know mechanism of action. We have the clinical trials, we know they work, but we don't know how. Let's break down your study:

action - participant performs prescribed spiritual seance.
expected result - participant experiences higher than expected sleepwalking and/or blackouts/lost time.

Note that your experiment does not actually test for any mechanism of action. It does nothing to prove or disprove how the brain works. Your study is also not blinded in any way.
 
I know I shouldn't encourage this, but can Neuroclusterbrain explain how the Neurocluster BrainModel predicts that “spiritualistic séances” will induce sleepwalking/MPD incidents?
 
Note that your experiment does not actually test for any mechanism of action. It does nothing to prove or disprove how the brain works. Your study is also not blinded in any way.
Not to mention that he suggested performing on yourself - a literally self-selecting sample, primed by knowledge of the expected results, entirely subjective and self-reporting, not blinded, and not a suitably large, controlled sample, etc...

Science, we weep for thee... :rolleyes:
 
can Neuroclusterbrain explain how the Neurocluster BrainModel predicts that “spiritualistic séances” will induce sleepwalking/MPD incidents?


The answer is simple. When spiritualistic séances are performed regularly for prolonged periods of time then autonomic neuroclusters in the brain develop more and more the ability to control man’s body independently from main personality – at first only small microscopic hand movements and later autonomic neurocluster becomes able to take over the control of whole body and this phenomenon is called “sleepwalking”.
During sleepwalking a man gets out from the bed, walks around the home moving and breaking various objects, goes back to bed, and in the morning when he wakes up he has no remembrance of his nocturnal activity. After waking up he finds that some objects in his home are misplaced in unusual places and some of the objects are broken. A man immediately begins to panic “who has moved these objects if I was alone in the home?”. In order to remain sanity a man needs to have model of the world which would explain what is happening around him. The fastest explanation for misplaced objects is that some flying-demon-spirit has moved these objects. However the truth is that he himself has moved these objects while sleepwalking, however he does not know that, so he strongly sticks to the belief that demon-spirits are flying around in his house. During sleepwalking incidents he might even kill people and when he will wake up he will be strongly convinced that demon-spirits had killed these people.
If “strange unexplainable frightening things” happen during the night then it is the classical case of sleepwalking, however if “strange unexplainable frightening things” happen during the daytime (such cases are much more rare) then it is the case of „multiple personality disorder“.
Religious adepts claim that teleportation is one of the “siddhi powers” which the adept can achieve when he has reached high spiritual states.
The underlying mechanism of “teleportation” is very simple. During sleepwalking and/or MPD (multiple personality disorder) incident the man travels to another place and when he wakes up he finds himself in a new place having absolutely no knowledge about how he has got there and thus he becomes strongly convinced that he has teleported from one location into another.
Religious adepts claim that stigmata are miracles and stigmata are the evidence of holiness. However real experimental facts show that stigmata are the result of self-mutilation during sleepwalking and/or MPD (multiple personality disorder) incidents which are usually invoked by prolonged self-starvation and prayers.
Religious adepts claim that chrism oil (a.k.a. myrrh) coming out of icons is the evidence of holiness – the majority of such cases are simple forgeries carefully plotted and made by religious adepts who are very aware of their deceptive activity, however sometimes the story behind myrrh-streaming icons is much more interesting – during sleepwalking and/or MPD (multiple personality disorder) incidents the religious adept comes to the icon and moistens it with chrism oil – when religious adept wakes up into full awareness he has no recollection of his activity and when he finds out that icon “has become myrrh-streaming” he becomes strongly convinced that he has witnessed the miracle with his own eyes. The same identical underlying mechanism (i.e. sleepwalking and/or MPD activity) is behind other religious miracles as well.
And this raises an interesting technical question: when the religious adept accomplishes “miraculous” actions during sleepwalking and/or MPD incident and when he wakes up and he has no recollection whatsoever about his sleepwalking/MPD activity and when he begins broadcasting “news about the miracle” to other people – can we consider such man as a swindler/deceiver? The main personality of such man has no knowledge whatsoever about the physical activity of the autonomous neuroclusters (inside his own brain) which have accomplished the “miracle” using the physical body of that man. Actually the main personality of such man is himself a victim of the deception accomplished by autonomous neuroclusters residing inside his own brain.

Sleepwalking (a.k.a. somnambulism or noctambulism) is a sleep disorder belonging to the parasomnia family. Medical reports show that approximately 18 percent of the population is prone to sleepwalking, however only 1 percent of the population experiences sleepwalking events regularly. Every tenth man knows at least one sleepwalking event during his lifetime. During sleepwalking event a man rises from bed and walks however his level of consciousness, reaction and motors skills are low. Sleepwalkers perform activities that are usually performed during a state of full consciousness. Sleepwalker returns to the bed himself or with the mild help of others. During sleepwalking event the sleepwalker can accomplish simple actions like sitting up in the bed, walking to the bathroom, and cleaning, however sleepwalker’s actions can be also as complicated and as hazardous as cooking, driving, violent gestures, grabbing at hallucinated objects, having sex, or even homicide. Sleepwalkers can even leave the home, drive the car, go up to the roof and walk on the roof like a cat, etc. Sleepwalking may last as little as 30 seconds or as long as 30 minutes. Sleepwalker reacts very weakly when other people try to influence his action or when they try to communicate with the sleepwalker and huge endeavors are needed to wake up the sleepwalker. When sleepwalker is asked something, he responds with unarticulated murmur or answers with one word. Sleepwalker often have little or no memory of the dangerous incidents in which he has been involved (like a fire, being buried alive, being chased on the roof, etc) because their consciousness has altered into a state in which it is harder to recall memories. Although their eyes are open, their expression is dim and glazed over. In many countries sleepwalkers are not allowed into the military service because during sleepwalking event they can misuse the weapons and other military equipment. A common misconception is that the sleepwalker cannot harm himself. In the reality sleepwalkers do harm themselves due the lack of agility and the lack of the balance. Another common misconception is that sleepwalkers are not dangerous to anyone, however there many cases reported in which sleepwalkers were involved violent actions, even murders, and after waking up they did not remember anything.
In the “folk wisdom” there is huge number of sleepwalking cases, however due to the ignorance of the brain physiology the sleepwalking cases are mystified, like for example when the sleepwalker leaves his home, goes to neighbor’s house and steals various objects (gold/silver jewelry, paper money, firewood, grains, apples, etc) and brings back to his home these stolen items – the “folk wisdom” considers that the brownie (a.k.a. brounie or urisk) has brought these items to his master, when the sleepwalker accomplishes household chores (washes dishes, shaves potatoes, etc) – the “folk wisdom” considers that the puck/sprite/elf/pixie/fay/etc has done that household chore and so on. What is the underlying mechanism of the sleepwalking? It is very simple. During the sleep the main personality of a man falls asleep and during that time the autonomic neurocluster takes over the control of the human body and initiates actions. When the main personality wakes up he can not remember what was happening during the sleepwalking because all events had happened without his knowledge.
When a sleepwalker is engaged in sexual activities then this phenomenon called sexsomnia. Sexsomniac has sex while asleep, a women might even become pregnant, however after awakening a man has absolutely no remembrance of his sexual activities. Christian saint Virgin Mary (who became pregnant from the Holy Spirit) perfectly matches the criteria for sexsomnia.

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1&version=ESV
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
(Bible. Matthew 1:18)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_sex
Sleep sex, or sexsomnia, is a condition in which a person will engage in sexual activities while asleep. This condition falls within the broad class of sleep disorders known as parasomnias. In extreme cases, sexsomnia has been alleged, and accepted, as the cause of sexual assault, including rape.
The proposed medical diagnosis is NREM arousal parasomnia – sexual behaviour in sleep. Sexsomnia is considered a type of non-rapid eye movement sleep (NREM) parasomnia. Sexsomniacs do not remember the acts that they perform while they are asleep.
Sexsomnia can co-occur alongside other sleep disorders such as sleepwalking, sleep apnea, night terrors and bedwetting and can be triggered by stress, previous sleep deprivation and excessive consumption of alcohol or other drugs. Sleep related epilepsy may be associated with sexual arousal, pelvic thrusting and orgasms. Sexsomnia episodes may be triggered by physical contact with a bed partner. Sexsomnia, which is a fairly new medically recognized behaviour, has been used in criminal defense cases of rape. There have been several cases of sexsomnia which have appeared in the news and also in pop culture as reality shows and movies.

History
The first research paper that suggested that sexual behavior during sleep may be a new type of parasomnia was published in 1996 by three researchers from the University of Toronto (Colin Shapiro and Nik Trajanovic) and the University of Ottawa (Paul Fedoroff). The term "sleepsex" was used in a 1998 case report by David Saul Rosenfeld, a neurologist and sleep specialist from Los Angeles. The term 'sexsomnia' was coined by Colin Shapiro in a case report published in June 2003.

Psychology
Sleep sex may accompany relationship difficulties and feelings of embarrassment. Often the actions of the person who has sexsomnia are reported by his or her partner as the sexsomniacs are unaware of the event.
Clonazepam has been used as a first line of treatment for this condition, when other measures are not enough to solve a case of sexsomnia.

Cases reported in the press
Natalie Pona, then a reporter for the Sun, broke the first press story of sexsomnia in the fall of 2005. On 30 November 2005, a Toronto court acquitted a man of sexual assault after he was diagnosed with sleep sex disorder, although prosecutors filed an appeal of the acquittal in February 2006. The Ontario Court of Appeal upheld the acquittal on 7 February 2008.
In Britain, a man from York was cleared of three counts of rape on 19 December 2005.
In Australia, a woman was reported as leaving her house at night and having sex with strangers while sleepwalking.
On 8 August 2007, a British RAF mechanic was cleared of a rape charge after the jury found him not responsible for his actions when he had sex with a 15-year-old girl.
On 12 February 2010, an Australian man was found not guilty of rape due to sexsomnia. This similarly happened to a Welsh man on 4 July 2011.
On 7 March 2012, a British woman gave an interview in which she described how her sexsomnia had made sustaining a relationship difficult.

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Some sorts of sleeping pills (like for example “Zolpidem”) can induce sleepwalking incidents which are very different from standard sleepwalking incidents. In standard sleepwalking cases it is almost impossible to carry any meaningful conversation with the sleepwalker because the intelligence level of standard sleepwalker is very low, however in pill induced sleepwalking cases the sleepwalker can carry complex meaningful conversations with other people who are even unable to recognize that they are having conversation with the sleepwalker, however after waking up in the morning the sleepwalker is unable to remember anything from his sleepwalking activity, just like in standard sleepwalking cases.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolpidem
Zolpidem (brand names Ambien, Ambien CR, Intermezzo, Stilnox, Stilnoct, Sublinox, Hypnogen, Zonadin, Sanval and Zolsana) is a prescription medication used for the treatment of insomnia and some brain disorders.<...>
Some users have reported unexplained sleepwalking while using zolpidem, as well as sleep driving, binge eating while asleep, and performing other daily tasks while sleeping. Research by Australia's National Prescribing Service found these events occur mostly after the first dose taken, or within a few days of starting therapy. Rare reports of sexual parasomnia episodes related to zolpidem intake have also been reported. Sleepwalkers can sometimes perform these tasks as normally as they might if they were awake. They can sometimes carry on complex conversations and respond appropriately to questions or statements, so much so that observers may believe them to be awake. This is in contrast to "typical" sleep talking, which can usually be identified easily and is characterised by incoherent speech that often has no relevance to the situation or that is so disorganised as to be completely unintelligible.
Those under the influence of this medication may seem fully aware of their environments, though they are still asleep. This can bring about concerns for the safety of the sleepwalkers and others. These side effects may be related to the mechanism that also causes zolpidem to produce its hypnotic properties. It is unclear whether the drug is responsible for the behavior, but a class-action lawsuit was filed against Sanofi-Aventis in March 2006 on behalf of those who reported symptoms. Conversely, it is possible some users believed they were asleep during these events because they do not remember the events, due to the short-term memory loss and anterograde amnesia side-effects.
Residual 'hangover' effects, such as sleepiness and impaired psychomotor and cognitive function, may persist into the day following nighttime administration. Such effects may impair the ability of users to drive safely and increase risks of falls and hip fractures.
The Sydney Morning Herald in Australia in 2007 reported a man who fell 30 meters to his death from a high-rise unit balcony may have been sleepwalking under the influence of Stilnox. The coverage prompted over 40 readers to contact the newspaper with their own accounts of Stilnox-related automatism, and as of March 2007, the drug was under review by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee.
In February 2008, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration attached a boxed warning to zolpidem, stating that "Zolpidem may be associated with potentially dangerous complex sleep-related behaviors that may include sleep walking, sleep driving, and other bizarre behaviours. Zolpidem is not to be taken with alcoholic beverages. Caution is needed with other CNS-depressant drugs. Limit use to four weeks maximum under close medical supervision." This report received widespread media coverage after the death of Australian student Mairead Costigan, who fell 20 m from the Sydney Harbour Bridge while under the influence of Stilnox.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/business/15drug.ready.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
F.D.A. Warns of Sleeping Pills’ Strange Effects
March 15, 2007
By Stephanie Saul
(New York Times. March 15, 2007)

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Not to mention that he suggested performing on yourself - a literally self-selecting sample, primed by knowledge of the expected results, entirely subjective and self-reporting, not blinded, and not a suitably large, controlled sample, etc...
Science, we weep for thee... :rolleyes:


It is totally up to you which way is best for you to go: 1) running self-experiment on yourself, 2) running experiment on statistically large sample of other “clean-healthy” people, 3) searching for statistical correlations in the stories of people who already have done the required procedure without your involvement.
All three methods are used in science. Choose the one which best fits your needs.
 
All such a clinical trial does is show if action A causes result B. Check this out:

A list of some drugs that currently have no know mechanism of action. We have the clinical trials, we know they work, but we don't know how. Let's break down your study:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Drugs_with_unknown_mechanisms_of_action

action - participant performs prescribed spiritual seance.
expected result - participant experiences higher than expected sleepwalking and/or blackouts/lost time.

Note that your experiment does not actually test for any mechanism of action. It does nothing to prove or disprove how the brain works. Your study is also not blinded in any way.


RussDill misunderstands the purpose of scientific experiment. The purpose of scientific experiment is NOT TO EXPLAIN the underlying mechanism of action, the purpose of scientific experiment is to confirm the prediction of the model/theory.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Experiments
Once predictions are made, they can be sought by experiments. If the test results contradict the predictions, the hypotheses which entailed them are called into question and become less tenable. Sometimes the experiments are conducted incorrectly or are not very well designed, when compared to a crucial experiment. If the experimental results confirm the predictions, then the hypotheses are considered more likely to be correct, but might still be wrong and continue to be subject to further testing. The experimental control is a technique for dealing with observational error. This technique uses the contrast between multiple samples (or observations) under differing conditions to see what varies or what remains the same. We vary the conditions for each measurement, to help isolate what has changed. Mill's canons can then help us figure out what the important factor is. Factor analysis is one technique for discovering the important factor in an effect.

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As for example, Galileo's “Leaning Tower of Pisa experiment” DOES NOT EXPLAIN the underlying mechanism of the gravity. Galileo's “Leaning Tower of Pisa experiment” just confirms Galileo's prediction that all objects fall with the same acceleration when pushed by gravity.
Actually, current physics is still unable to explain the underlying mechanism of the gravity.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo's_Leaning_Tower_of_Pisa_experiment
Galileo's Leaning Tower of Pisa experiment
According to a biography by Galileo's pupil Vincenzo Viviani, in 1589 the Italian scientist Galileo Galilei had dropped two balls of different masses from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass.[1]:19–21 Via this method, he supposedly discovered that the objects fell with the same acceleration, proving his prediction true, while at the same time disproving Aristotle's theory of gravity (which states that objects fall at speed relative to their mass). At the time when Viviani asserts that the experiment took place, Galileo had not yet formulated the final version of his law of free fall. He had, however, formulated an earlier version which predicted that bodies of the same material falling through the same medium would fall at the same speed.[1]:20 This was contrary to what Aristotle had taught: that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight.[1]:9[2] While this story has been retold in popular accounts, there is no account by Galileo himself of such an experiment, and it is accepted by most historians that it was a thought experiment which did not actually take place.[3][4] An exception is Drake, who argues that it took place, more or less as Viviani described it, as a demonstration for students.[1]:19–21, 414–416
Galileo arrived at his hypothesis by a famous thought experiment outlined in his book On Motion.[5] Imagine two objects, one light and one heavier than the other one, are connected to each other by a string. Drop this system of objects from the top of a tower. If we assume heavier objects do indeed fall faster than lighter ones (and conversely, lighter objects fall slower), the string will soon pull taut as the lighter object retards the fall of the heavier object. But the system considered as a whole is heavier than the heavy object alone, and therefore should fall faster. This contradiction leads one to conclude the assumption is false.

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You have a hypothesis, however your experiment seems crude, not to mention unethical. You need to think of a better approach: one that can refine your hypothesis.
 
You have a hypothesis, however your experiment seems crude, not to mention unethical. You need to think of a better approach: one that can refine your hypothesis.


Donn’s inability to carry out simple experiments due his religious beliefs is not the scientific argument. The history of science has thousands of examples when “unethical experimentation” was the only way to push science forward.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Unethical human experimentation in the United States describes numerous experiments performed on human test subjects in the United States that have been considered unethical, and were often performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests have occurred throughout American history, but particularly in the 20th century.
The experiments include: the deliberate infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases, exposure of people to biological and chemical weapons, human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities or prisoners.
Funding for many of the experiments was provided by United States government, especially the United States military, Central Intelligence Agency, or private corporations involved with military activities. The human research programs were usually highly secretive, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed.

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As is was written in previous post, Donn’s problem of “unethicality” has a very simple solution – Donn should do this experiment on himself. The history of science is full of examples when scientists have done “unethical” experiments on themselves (most of these self-experiments were medical).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medicine
Self-experimentation refers to the very special case of single-subject scientific experimentation in which the experimenter conducts the experiment on her- or himself. Usually this means that the designer, operator, subject, analyst, and user or reporter of the experiment are all the same. Self-experimentation has a long and well-documented history in medicine which continues to the present. Some of these experiments have been very valuable and shed new and often unexpected insights into different areas of medicine.
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It is totally up to you which way is best for you to go: 1) running self-experiment on yourself, 2) running experiment on statistically large sample of other “clean-healthy” people, 3) searching for statistical correlations in the stories of people who already have done the required procedure without your involvement.
All three methods are used in science. Choose the one which best fits your needs.
 
RussDill misunderstands the purpose of scientific experiment. The purpose of scientific experiment is NOT TO EXPLAIN the underlying mechanism of action, the purpose of scientific experiment is to confirm the prediction of the model/theory.

Your claim is that your experiment somehow validates your theory. Let's say I think brain fleas embedded in the brain cause one to feel sadness. In my theory, depressing events attract brain fleas. So my experiment will be to cause someone to experience a depressing event, and then see if they become sad. If they do, then I've proved that they now have brain fleas, and that the brain fleas have caused them to become sad.

You seem very keen on WP and definitions, so please read the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Prediction

Your prediction (and therefore experiment) meet none of the requirements of a strong prediction.
 
It does not matter what do you think or what do you believe. All this talking is just a pure philosophical-theoretical blabber backed up with no experimental data whatsoever.

Let’s clean this mess and let's make things scientific.

Step #1: Scientific model/theory must be able to make predictions – do you agree with that or not?

Step #2: The predictions of the scientific model/theory must be testable by reproducible experiments – do you agree with that or not?

Step #3: Neurocluster Brain Model is able to make predictions which can be tested by reproducible experiments – so just go and do these experiments instead of your philosophical-theoretical blabber.

Step #4: Neurocluster Brain Model predicts that: after prolonged repeatable experimentation with “spiritualistic séances” you have high risk to induce sleepwalking/MPD incidents for the “medium”, during which the “medium” will be moving/breaking/etc various things in his own house, and when after awakening he finds things broken and scattered around his house, he becomes scared and strongly convinced that “evil spirits have possessed his house” – in more advanced cases this leads to the lunatic asylum.

Step # 5: Just go and carry out “spiritualistic séances” using “thread with the attached needle method” for prolonged periods of time as described in previous posts. Please note that it is important to use thread with the attached needle, do not use planchette/cup/glass/saucer (or some other heavy object) as shown in Hollywood movies. This setup (thread with the attached needle) will allow the manifestation of microscopic muscular contractions of the hand controlled by autonomous neurocluster inside the brain of the medium – with this experimental setup you can carry as many reproducible experiments as you wish. Using planchette/cup/glass/saucer will not work for average statistical man. Using planchette/cup/glass/saucer might work for people who are already in the lunatic asylum, but that’s another story. Average statistical man must use thread with the attached needle in order to succeed in “invoking spirit”.

Step # 6: Check out the results – check out if the “medium” has began having sleepwalking/MPD incidents which were not present before the experiment. The easiest and most reliable way to detect sleepwalking/MPD incidents is to use 24/7 video recording. If video recording is not available then sleepwalking/MPD incidents can be diagnosed using simple basic set of questions (however this method is less reliable than video recording).

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Usually a man is completely unaware that he has multiple personality disorder (MPD), however it can be diagnosed with simple basic set of questions.
Diagnostic criteria for multiple personality disorder are the following:
1) Missing time and gaps in the memory.
Are there any episodes of “missing time” in your life? Are there any gaps in your memory? As for example, maybe you do not remember what you were doing yesterday from 3:00 PM till 8:00 PM, or maybe you do not remember what happened today from 8:00 AM till 12:00 PM, etc.
2) Strange things among your belongings.
Are there any episodes of you discovering the evidence of your actions and tasks that you do not recollect doing?
As for example, maybe you sometimes find new things among your belongings that you do not remember buying? As for example, maybe you have found an ashtray with smoked cigarettes in your home when you are completely sure that you are non-smoker, or maybe you have found leather clothes in your closet which perfectly fits your body however you are completely sure that you hate leather clothes, etc.
Are there any episodes of you finding (perplexing) writings, drawings, or notes among your belongings that you cannot remember doing?
Are there any episodes of you discovering injuries "coming to" in the midst of doing something?
3) Teleportation.
Are there any episodes of your teleportation? Are there any episodes when you have suddenly found yourself at work, in a nightclub, at the beach, or somewhere at home (e.g., in the closet, on a bed or sofa, in the corner) with no memory of how you came to be there?
4) Voices in the head.
Are there any episodes of you hearing voices inside your head that tell you to do things or comment on things that you are doing?
It is important to note that all these symptoms of multiple personality disorder are not attributable to psychotropic substances (alcohol, narcotics, etc) or another medical condition (e.g., complex partial seizures). These signs and symptoms may be observed by others or reported by the individual.
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Step # 7: Make your conclusions ONLY after you have done the experiment on statistically large sample of people (acting as mediums). If you have not done the experiment then your philosophical-theoretical blabber has no value whatsoever.

Step # 8: Do you know of any other scientific model/theory which would predict the same outcome as Neurocluster Brain Model (“spiritualistic séances” inducing sleepwalking/MPD incidents)? If “yes” then please show this model/theory to us, it will be very interesting to see it.
pure philosophical-theoretical blabber backed up with no experimental data whatsoever.
ease back a bit , maybe you are engaging in blabber. Hopefully this is a conversation not an argument

The potentiation and attenuation of the neuron's action potential is demonstrated fact.

I will read the erst of your post later, thanks for getting rid of that color.
 
Let’s raise the simple question: who are those people who think that “multiple personality disorder (MPD) has never been shown to exist ”?

These people are exactly the same people who have strong religious fanatic faith that they posses “consciousness”, isn’t it?
These people are exactly the same people who are unable to provide scientific definition of the term “consciousness”, these people are exactly the same people who are unable to provide the list of criteria (the list of features) which would allow to determine if object X has consciousness or not, and these people are exactly the same people who are unable to provide any proof that they themselves have “consciousness”.
When a man uses a term/word which he is unable to define then it is quite obvious that such man does not understand himself what he is talking about, it is obvious that his speech is meaningless by definition.

And what is the scientific value of the judgment of these people about split-brain and MPD patients? The scientific value is zero, because they are not qualified to make the judgment – they have very strong religious fanatic faith that they posses “indivisible-single-consciousness”. They are scared to death by the idea that other agents/entities might be present in their own brain. That fierce fear of the possibility of other agents/entities being present in their own brain drives these people to fight until “the last drop of blood” defending the religious dogma of “indivisible-single-consciousness”.

Why does the psychiatry have so many problems with “multiple personality disorder”? The answer is very simple. First of all – “multiple personality disorder” is a very rare phenomenon – it is so rare that many psychiatrists/psychologist have even never heard of it. Secondly, very often patients diagnosed as “multiple personality disorder” simply have big fantasies and have nothing to do with real “multiple personality disorder”. Theses fakers with big fantasies bring a chaos into psychiatry because many psychiatrists after dealing with such fake cases come to wrong conclusion that “multiple personality disorder” is non-existing phenomenon. “Multiple personality disorder” is obvious only when there is a drastic change in all patient’s behavior: the change in voice timbre, the change in vocabulary used, the change in handwriting script, the change in gait, etc. However such cases are very rare. It is much more common when after “switch of personality” there are almost no change in voice timbre, no change in vocabulary used, no change in handwriting script, no change in gait – however the patient claims that now he is not Peter, but instead he is John. Such “personality switches” are totally inconvincible and look like a simple fake. Thus when a psychiatrist has seen only such cases in his practice, he makes a wrong conclusion that there is no such thing as “multiple personality disorder”, that all this is fake, and that you need to call this thing as “dissociative identity disorder (DID)“.


Here are several documentary movies about “multiple personality disorder”
http://neuroclusterbrain.com/multiple_personality_disorder_videos.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpkrlujPmRQ
Cause of Multiple Personality Disorder, Mental Health Truth, Psychiatrist Colin Ross (Psychetruth)
Length: 17 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Svvym6Mqw
Mistaken Identity (BBC Documentary)
Length: 46 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0LNyXsErb8
Multiple Personality Disorder - Documentary
Length: 59 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lr69IaZkJY
Dr Phil Show My Multiple Personalities 10 05 2012
Length: 40 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9oO0hzqNF0
The Woman with Seven Personalities - Interview on the Jensen Show
Length: 26 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TlYGivBGYE
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 1)
Length: 9 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQYyZxN2Q0I
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 2)
Length: 15 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5h1e5CT6U
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 3)
Length: 16 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59lqklD1BU
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 4)
Length: 9 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yl17RLV0FE
(In Russian) 24 демона Билли Миллигана
Length: 27 minutes
By now MMPD is an incoherent, inconsistent and fraudulent theory.
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By now MPD is an incoherent, inconsistent and fraudulent theory.


Dancing David has strong religious fanatic faith that MPD does not exist.
Bellow is homework assignment for Dancing David:
1) Watch very carefully the documentary movie “The Woman with 7 Personalities” (length: 49 minutes, links are provided bellow).
2) After watching the movie, please answer the following comprehension questions: According to the logic of Dancing David, Helen is the con-artist and faker of non-existent MPD. Dancing David, please explain in details why Helen is faking that she is having MPD? What Helen has gained with her faked MPD? Did Helen make bunch of money from faking MPD? Or what did Helen has gained from faking MPD? Actually, Helen’s personal life is totally destroyed because of MPD – Dancing David, please explain in details why Helen is faking that she is having MPD?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TlYGivBGYE
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 1)
Length: 9 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQYyZxN2Q0I
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 2)
Length: 15 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5h1e5CT6U
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 3)
Length: 16 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59lqklD1BU
The Woman with 7 Personalities (Part 4)
Length: 9 minutes
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It is totally up to you which way is best for you to go: 1) running self-experiment on yourself, 2) running experiment on statistically large sample of other “clean-healthy” people, 3) searching for statistical correlations in the stories of people who already have done the required procedure without your involvement.
All three methods are used in science. Choose the one which best fits your needs.
Ah, no. It's your claim (I don't think it really qualifies as an hypothesis, given what you've posted so far), the burden of proof is yours.
 
You have a hypothesis, however your experiment seems crude, not to mention unethical. You need to think of a better approach: one that can refine your hypothesis.

Donn’s inability to carry out simple experiments due his religious beliefs is not the scientific argument.
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It is totally up to you which way is best for you to go: 1) running self-experiment on yourself, 2) running experiment on statistically large sample of other “clean-healthy” people, 3) searching for statistical correlations in the stories of people who already have done the required procedure without your involvement.
All three methods are used in science. Choose the one which best fits your needs.

Ah, no. It's your claim (I don't think it really qualifies as an hypothesis, given what you've posted so far), the burden of proof is yours.


The difference between the scientist and the religious adept is the following:
1) The scientist does the experiment and checks out if the predictions of the model/theory are confirmed or not, and then based on the experimental results the scientist makes conclusions.
2) The religious adept says “I have not done the experiment, I will not do the experiment, I believe my religious dogma no matter what is the evidence, I will not look into the evidence, I am not interested in the evidence, I believe my religious dogma no matter what is the evidence”.

Neurocluster Brain Model is scientific model, so if you want to check whether it is correct or not – all you need to do is to carry out the experiments which are described in Neurocluster Brain Model.
If you have not carried out the needed experiments, if you do not have experimental results, then you are not qualified as scientist to make the judgment, your judgment is based purely on religious dogmas.
The most popular religious dogma claims that man has “indivisible-single-consciousness”, the adepts of this religious dogma will fight until “the last drop of blood” defending the religious dogma of “indivisible-single-consciousness”.

The adepts of this religious dogma (“man has indivisible-single-consciousness”) claim that “the brain has not enough place to contain second personality” – this claim has no experimental evidence whatsoever, this is 100% religious dogma.

No, I don't know of any other theory quite that silly. I'll also say that there is no place in the brain where you could hide a second personality, much less 30 or 40 extra personalities.


Here is a homework task for the development of logical thinking for religious adepts who have strong religious fanatic faith that “man has indivisible-single-consciousness”:
Are you completely sure that your brain is really able to contain one(1) personality? What about the scenario when one(1) personality is unable to fit in the brain, and only half(1/2) or a quarter(1/4) or a tenth(1/10) of personality is able to fit in the brain – how about that? Let’s suppose that we claim that your brain is too small to contain whole one(1) personality, one(1) personality is unable to fit into your brain/head, and we claim that your brain/head contains only tenth(1/10) of personality – flag into your hands, go ahead and try to disprove the claim that your brain contains only tenth(1/10) of personality. The reasoning behind that is very simple: if man’s brain is able to fit one(1) personality then such man is able to carry out scientific experiments to check whether experimental results confirm the predictions of model/theory or not, however if the man’s brain is too small to fit one(1) personality then such man says “I have not done the experiment, I will not do the experiment, I believe my religious dogma no matter what is the evidence, I will not look into the evidence, I am not interested in the evidence, I believe my religious dogma no matter what is the evidence”.
 
I assume you use the term 'religious adept' intentionally, adept as in: well versed in scripture and well practiced in the spiritual arts . . . arts such as meditation and etc. In this case the 'religious adept' does not rely on dogma but in fact conducts daily experiments, their life being an experiment, to test out the truth or falsity of the concepts of the scriptures. Furthermore, the religious adept would likely dismiss your foundation statement, that the brain is the source of awareness. The 'religious adept' would grant that the brain generates the contents of awareness, thoughts, images, memories and etc, including any narrative(s) of self(s), as in, the brain could generate dozens of identities (self narratives) and who cares.
 
I assume you use the term 'religious adept' intentionally, adept as in: well versed in scripture and well practiced in the spiritual arts . . . arts such as meditation and etc. In this case the 'religious adept' does not rely on dogma but in fact conducts daily experiments, their life being an experiment, to test out the truth or falsity of the concepts of the scriptures. Furthermore, the religious adept would likely dismiss your foundation statement, that the brain is the source of awareness. The 'religious adept' would grant that the brain generates the contents of awareness, thoughts, images, memories and etc, including any narrative(s) of self(s), as in, the brain could generate dozens of identities (self narratives) and who cares.


Definition of “religious adept”: a man who believes in religious dogma.
Definition of “religious dogma”: a claim which does not match the scientific criteria, a claim which has no experimental evidence.

There is a common misunderstanding among population about the term “religious adept” – many people erroneously think that “all religious adepts believe in God”. However, such thinking is incorrect – there are religions without God, as for example Buddhism.
And that means that “religious adept” may not believe in God, however he is still classified as “religious adept”.

It is very easy to recognize the “religious adept” using the following diagnostic criteria: if a man says “I have not done the experiment, I will not do the experiment, I believe my religious dogma no matter what is the evidence, I will not look into the evidence, I am not interested in the evidence, I believe my religious dogma no matter what is the evidence” then such a man is classified as “religious adept”.

The most popular religious dogma claims that man has “indivisible-single-consciousness”, the adepts of this religious dogma are scared to death by the idea that other agents/entities might be present in their own brain. That fierce fear of the possibility of other agents/entities being present in their own brain drives these people to fight until “the last drop of blood” defending the religious dogma of “indivisible-single-consciousness”.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma
Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. The term can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, religion, or issued decisions of political authorities.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
Buddhism does not involve belief in a creator God
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