What is Perfection?

[Piscivore]

Well Terry, for me it's hard to tell.
Sometimes people try to be complimentary and mistakenly are rude. Very confusing sometimes.

"Terry"?

Sometimes they're just yankin' your chain. Y'know, joking.

 

[Iacchus]

I would help if you would answer the little questions, instead of using the big brush. Where is perfection in suffering?

PS

"ARF ARF"
-Sandy

Where is there fullness without the potential of absence? Where is there knowing without the yearning to know? Where is there sentience without a state of on and off? What is the Yin without the Yang?

 

[Iacchus]

If you don't want to be here, then is it perfect?

Relative to what? A higher state of perfection perhaps?

 

[Iacchus]

You are full of it here Iachuss, you demean those who have suffered by pretending that you have suffered mysthology, I did think you had more compassion than this.

Now this sounds like some personal suffering, in Illinois people are only committed when they are a threat to themselves or others. Your mythological suffering is still demeaning.

What is Ecstasy without the potential for madness?

 

[Iacchus]

So you admit that the universal truth may be false, then where is perfection?

No, I only admit that you can't acknowledge truth without the potential to be mistaken. Otherwise we would be perfect.

 

[Mercutio]

What is Ecstasy without the potential for madness?

What is black without perpendicular?
What is hot without down?
What is loud without green?
What is sanity without fur?
What is chaos without mustard?
What is music without sandpaper?
What is Mercutio without....ah, but I am not without.

 

[Iacchus]

And yet how is it that I can acknowledge that there is no -- seemingly apparent -- relationship in what you're saying here? So tell me, what's the difference between that which is obvious and not so obvious?

 

[Z]

While there IS something to yin and yang - what is heat without cold? Satisfaction without longing? Pleasure without pain? - there isn't much to yin and steve.

 

[Iacchus]

Yes, and if we tend to forsake the happiness and joy in our lives, we tend to wind up in the loonie bin now don't we? Happiness comes through our completion; madness comes through our being rent asunder. That would be "tear-a-bull" now wouldn't it?

 

[Mercutio]

Yes, and if we tend to forsake the happiness and joy in our lives, we tend to wind up in the loonie bin now don't we?

This comes dangerously close to a testable hypothesis, Iacchus. I'll grant that some theorists would agree with you (Alexander Lowen comes to mind), but the majority do not.

 

[uruk]

The universe is not perfect, it is chaotic or vastly flawed.

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And yet how is it that I can acknowledge that there is no -- seemingly apparent -- relationship in what you're saying here? So tell me, what's the difference between that which is obvious and not so obvious?

The universe is perfect within it's imperfection. It is perfectly imperfect. Therefore imperfection is perfection. Since we are all imperfect thus we are all perfect.
I can't believe you didn't figure this out Iacchus. You are perfect in your imperfection. But then where is knowledge without ignorance? Vindication without embarrassment? Clarity without obtuseness? A king without his fool? Lavern without Shirley

A wise old saying comes to mind when a I read your posts: If you can't dazzel them with diamonds; Baffle them with Bull$h!te.
You, Iacchus, are perfect in your imperfections.

 

[uruk]

Yes, and if we tend to forsake the happiness and joy in our lives, we tend to wind up in the loonie bin now don't we?

Yes and if we deny and fail to deal with that which vexes and cause us suffering we wind up in the same place.

 

[Iacchus]

This comes dangerously close to a testable hypothesis, Iacchus. I'll grant that some theorists would agree with you (Alexander Lowen comes to mind), but the majority do not.

Well, I guess we could settle for apathy and complacency instead?

 

[Dancing David]

There is enough minor pain to know pain, and to know that it is not happiness. There is enough suffering to not merit there being rape and torture in the universe.

So is it perfect if it contains suffering?

The universe is not perfect, it is in a state of constant unbalance, that which is balanced is in stasis. The universe is unbalanced.

So where is this perfection, in abstract only?

What is the bad man? The good man's charge.
Tao Te Ching

 

[Iacchus]

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The universe is perfect within it's imperfection. It is perfectly imperfect. Therefore imperfection is perfection. Since we are all imperfect thus we are all perfect.
I can't believe you didn't figure this out Iacchus. You are perfect in your imperfection. But then where is knowledge without ignorance? Vindication without embarrassment? Clarity without obtuseness? A king without his fool? Lavern without Shirley

A wise old saying comes to mind when a I read your posts: If you can't dazzel them with diamonds; Baffle them with Bull$h!te.
You, Iacchus, are perfect in your imperfections.

Perfection is the backdrop which underscores the experience. Perfection is coming into being ... which, is awareness of The One.

 

[Iacchus]

Yes and if we deny and fail to deal with that which vexes and cause us suffering we wind up in the same place.

Exactly! Which, is why we tend to impose our suffering onto others.

 

[Iacchus]

There is enough minor pain to know pain, and to know that it is not happiness. There is enough suffering to not merit there being rape and torture in the universe.

The problem is people become numb and begin to build up defenses, while continuing to do the thing which causes the pain. All the while the potential continues to build, for even greater suffering and pain.

 

[uruk]

Perfection is the backdrop which underscores the experience. Perfection is coming into being ... which, is awareness of The One.

Only problem is that "the one" is imperfect and perfection will never come into being because perfection is relative. experiance and perfection have nothing to do with each other.

How's that for BS against BS huh?

 

[uruk]

Exactly! Which, is why we tend to impose our suffering onto others.

Imposing on others is not dealing with your suffering. This is one of the things which leads to insanity.

 

[Esther]

Is this really complimentary or is this an ill concealed attempt at pilloring?

What does "pilloring" mean, from Piscivore's response to your comment I pressume that it's something bad. When I want to insult somebody I prefer to do it in a direct manner because all the fun in insulting others is to get it out of your chest. So no, it wasn't my intention to insult Mr. Iacchus in a concealed manner.

I didn't mean to compliment him either, to calm the spirits down maybe, yes but complimenting him, no. I like people who post ideas out of the norm because our brains have an infinite power to create combinations of thoughts and ideas. Some ideas are ridiculous you can tell this at once, some other ideas deserve some of our time.

Dancing David wonders what is the point in mentioning suffering in a discussion about perfection. I don't know, I see no point but it was mentioned and I cannot pretend that I didn't see it.