Split Thread What does "MIHOP" mean?

[Dash80]

MIHOP: Maybe I Have 'Orrible Psychosis?

 

[NoahFence]

NASA :

Not Another Silly Acronym

That's what it REALLY means.

 

[Oystein]

I googled "MIHOP", and here some results from page 1:

April 2004 - Nicholas Levis (quoted; original link unavailable today):

6 ... MIHOP = Making It Happen On Purpose
There were no hijackers. The whole thing was planned long before 2001 and finally executed as an inside job by elements within the U.S. intel apparatus and the Bush mob, including the creation of the false-flag excuses

This is juxtaposed against other scenarios such as

7 NWO RULES
Same as Northwoods 2001, but the master plotters are not just "elements within the U.S." but the global ruling elite...

9 THIRD STATE / BUSH SUCKERED
Various theories, usually pushed by lone crusaders, have mixed and matched to lay the primary blame on Iraq, Israel...

June 2004, at the Democratic Underground:

let it happen on purpose and made it happen on purpose

this relates to Bush and 9/11

am I right?

LIHOP - Let It Happen On Purpose

MIHOP - Make It Happen On Purpose

Two theories concerning the Bush Administration and 9/11.

...
MIHOP= Made It Happen On Purpose. Bush and crew drew up the plans, pushed all the levers, maybe even planted charges in the buildings to make sure they came down. Complete conspiracy from top to bottom. Completely under the control of the BFEE.

MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose: suggests a more active role, that the Bushies had a direct hand in the unfolding of events that day.

etc.

June 2004 - an exchange of mails, Peter Meyer writes:

MIHOP = Made It Happen On Purpose
The official story is a lie; the Bush administration conducted the final preparations for the 9/11 attacks and carried them out

(The date is my guess; somewhere in that maik exchange, someone writes "Moore's movie comes out in nine days." I assume that refers to Fahrenheit 9/11, which was released in the USA in June 2004)

May 2005, at the 911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers) blog:

L.I.H.O.P.: is the limited 911 hangout that the gov't, etc., merely LET the Sept. 11th attacks Happen On Purpose - rather than M.I.H.O.P.: MADE It Happen on Purpose. I have argued strenuously that LIHOP is a lie and only MIHOP will destroy the war on terror myth. Remember, 911 is all about us being the terrorists, not foreigners. Only we could have demolished the towers, for example.

August 2005, at the Democratic Underground:

For those who don't know ... MIHOP refers to President Bush Making It Happen On Purpose. In both cases "it" refers to 9/11

September 2005 at the ethlife, the web news of the Swiss Technical University in Zurich
This shows that MIHOP has even made it as a technical term into the German language:

...die MIHOP-Theorie. ... gehen die Anhänger der MIHOP-Theorie davon aus, dass amerikanische Bundesstellen – in erster Linie Geheimdienste und das Pentagon – direkt an den Anschlägen des 11. Septembers beteiligt waren. Eine solche ... Aktion ... wird in Fachkreisen auch als "inside Job" bezeichnet.

Translation:

the MIHOP hypothesis ... its proponents assume that American federal agencies - primarily secret services and the Pentagon - were directly involved in the 9/11 terror attacks. Such an action is called by experts an "inside job".

May 2007, at the They Let it Happen blog:

LIHOP vs. MIHOP: ... is really one of the long-running debates among those who reject the official story of 9/11 – did they Let it Happen on Purpose or Make It Happen on Purpose?

Throughout the post, it is clear who "they" are:

...the merits of a MIHOP explanation, the basic idea of which is if you want it done right, do it yourself. ... everyone has seen from minute one how this was America’s New Pearl Harbor, our own finest hour emerging from the darkest, and clearly Bush’s defining moment, his only claim to mass public loyalty.

November 2007, from the New York City activist blog:

As I understood it, ... MIHOP (“Made It Happen On Purpose”) is the view that that the 9/11 attacks were primarily the work of a cabal within the U.S. government...

Some folks also reserve the term “MIHOP” for those hypotheses that don’t involve any foreign terrorists at all, even as patsies.

I could go on and on. The point is: By 2004, 2005, the term "MIHOP" was well esteblished and fixed (as was "LIHOP"), and universally meant that elements within the US government and administration planned and carried out the attacks.
This hasn't changed in 2007. And still is so in 2011.

If femr2 tried in 2009 to redefine a technical term to include variations that previously and later were explicitly ruled out, he failed, because no-one followed.

 

[000063]

Strictly speaking, both acronyms should be prefaced with "TG", for "The Government". Or "The United States Government" (TUSG). However, TUSG[x]IHOP isn't as "punchy" an acronym.

 

[Oystein]

Strictly speaking, both acronyms should be prefaced with "TG", for "The Government". Or "The United States Government" (TUSG). However, TUSG[x]IHOP isn't as "punchy" an acronym.

No.

It's a well-established technical term. You could argue that TNT should be acronymed C₆H₂(NO₂)₃CH₃. But that gives no-one license to use the acronym TNT in debates about explosives and assume everybody to accept the view that its meaning includes black powder.

 

[jaydeehess]

If it was MIHOP'd not by the gov;t or gov't insiders, nor by a shadow gov't that controls all (or most) visible gov'ts on Earth, then that leaves.................. terrorist organizations or James Bond villans.

Hmmmm,,,, how to decide which is more plausible?

Hmmm F2 not using the standard meaning of something. Then acting like others should know what he means, when used in a way only he has defined as such! I am shocked, shocked I tell you!

Well, if I see a news report on the interdweeb about a rich reclusive guy who is always holding a fluffy white cat ,,,, Then, yes then,, I will know the truth!

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Many Idiots High On Peyote?

 

[NoahFence]

I've yet to see one example that doesn't use MIHOP as shorthand for "evil American Government"

Not one.

well, except from you know who....

 

[Oz1976]

Incorrect. Period.

The only one incorrect in all of this is you. You're just arguing for arguments sake because you refuse to admit you're wrong. You know you're wrong. MIHOP has always meant inside job.

 

[Myriad]

The MIHOP culprit was undoubtedly the CIA.

(Note, however, that none of the words in the acronym "CIA" specify any particular nation or other entity, so I could be referring to any organized group, past or present, involved with any sort of intelligence that is in some way central to something else. So I might mean the Chinese Ministry of State Security, or the KGB, or the Scientologists' private detectives, or the Blizzard Software anti-hacker staff. So don't assume that when I say "MIHOP by the CIA" that rules out a terrorist attack planned by Al Qaeda.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Oz1976]

"The" government did it?

Which government? There is more than one, you know, and some of them are peer-reviewed certified evildoers.

I'll stick to the visual record. Unless those responsible spray-painted their names on the outside of the buildings, the visual record can show you what was done but not who did it.

Good and evil is a point of view, and the "visual record" doesn't support you. Do you really want to support femr2's position on MIHOP this time? I know he's your buddy and all, but you must see he's being asinine with this line of reasoning. MIHOP has always meant "the big bad gubment did it" has it not?

 

[Oystein]

Good and evil is a point of view, and the "visual record" doesn't support you. Do you really want to support femr2's position on MIHOP this time? I know he's your buddy and all, but you must see he's being asinine with this line of reasoning. MIHOP has always meant "the big bad gubment did it" has it not?

On 11/08/08, Major Tomn opened this thread over at the911forum with the following OP:

MIHOP VP Rational or Neurotic?

Post by Major_Tom » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:54 pm
I strongly suspect that a MIHOP scenario is what actually took place on 9-11-01, and for this reason I'd like to ask the participants of this forum if they think I should seek some sort of professional help.

I've read many times that people who tend to believe in a 9-11 conspiracy theory probably have more deep-seated problems they can't deal with.

What do you think? Is a person who strongly suspects high level US Govt complicity in the events of 9-11-01 because of the queer nature of the WTC 7 fall or because the Pentagon video survellience on 9-11 was apparently inferior to that of your local gas station, or because the Pentagon damage seemed way too small to be caused by a 767, just paranoid? Or maybe just a loser?

Or maybe a pretty good person, but they are perhaps susceptible to criminal conspiracy theories?

Is such a VP just the product of the dillusional minds of millions of people?

Evidently, Major_Tom understood in november of 2008 that "MIHOP" means "high level US Govt Made It Happen On Purpose", and at least at the time, that was his belief: high level US Govt Made It Happen On Purpose.


Months later, he opened another thread there:

Rational MIHOP

Post by Major_Tom » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:35 am
I'd like to present how MIHOP can be convincingly argued.



A question we are all here to answer is whether there is any evidence of physical damage on 9-11-01 that could not have been caused by the accused hijackers. If so, it means there must have been a second party responsible, yet to be identified.

I argue that there is such evidence and this physical evidence is already in our possession.

The fall of WTC7 cannot be explained as a natural result of the actions of the accused hijackers.

(There is no further obligation to continue a debate of WTC1 or 2. The fall of WTC7 in itself provides ample reason why millions of people are just in their insistence on further, impartial and open governmental investigations of second party involvement in the 9-11-01 attacks.)

This interpretation is more careful and not anymore geared towards elements of the US government; it rules out the hijackers, no-one else.

That debate runs for 61 replies over the course of more than 2 years. I haven't seen MT define what is meant by "Rational MIHOP" after the OP. The concept is cloudy and vague, and has not been picked up by anyone else.

 

[Sunstealer]

Many Incoherent Hypotheses Odiously Proposed

 

[000063]

No.

It's a well-established technical term. You could argue that TNT should be acronymed C₆H₂(NO₂)₃CH₃. But that gives no-one license to use the acronym TNT in debates about explosives and assume everybody to accept the view that its meaning includes black powder.

I said "strictly". I didn't say "realistically". Realistically, of course, "TUSG" is an implied part of the of the acronym. Only some sort of sophistic pedant would argue otherwise, contrary to all evidence.

 

[Dave Rogers]

There's a good reason to restrict the meaning of MIHOP to "someone other than al-Qaeda made it happen on purpose" that hasn't been pointed out yet:

Absolutely everyone who has any opinion whatsoever on 9/11 believes that someone carried out the attacks. Nobody has ever offered a credible theory in which the attacks were not carried out by someone; nobody has argued that all four airliners crashed entirely by accident. The disagreement is over who carried out the attacks, not whether they were carried out deliberately. There is therefore no need for a word that describes the subset of people who believe that someone carried out the attacks, because that is the universal set. The only possible useful meaning of the acronym, therefore, is to describe those who think that someone other than al-Qaeda carried out the attacks.

Dave

 

[Brainster]

Two small additions to the work by Oystein:

1. Nick Levis' article is archived here.

2. The acronyms were originally coined by Nico Haupt.

 

[Oystein]

Two small additions to the work by Oystein:

1. Nick Levis' article is archived here.

2. The acronyms were originally coined by Nico Haupt.

Thanks!
Re 2.: Do we know when, where, and how?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

1. Nick Levis' article is archived here.

2. The acronyms were originally coined by Nico Haupt.

Thanks!
Re 2.: Do we know when, where, and how?

Nico Haupt appears to have invented the LIHOP acronym by August 2002:

Nico Haupt. They Let It Happen On Purpose! Blog post of 13 August 2002. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00068.htm​

Someone calling itself Bushknew claims to have "coined the phase MIHOP." [sic].

The blogger known as Arabesque says Webster Tarpley popularized MIHOP in his 2005 book, 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, and quotes Tarpley's preface to the second edition of that book:

This book argues the rogue network MIHOP position. That is to say, it represents the analytical point of view which sees the events of September 11, 2001 as a deliberate provocation manufactured by an outlaw network of high officials infesting the military and security apparatus of the United States and Great Britain, a network ultimately dominated by Wall Street and City of London financiers.

The bolding is in Arabesque's quotation.

Arabesque also argues that LIHOP and MIHOP are "largely undefined" and "mean different things to different people", making them "prone to misuse" by "lesser researchers and rank and file activists":

The frequently inaccurate and misleading LIHOP/MIHOP dichotomy is the embodiment of the debasement of language; a subversive attack against subtlety, critical thought, and reason. These terms effectively think our thoughts for us: “LIHOP is bad! MIHOP is good!”

The bolding and italics are Arabesque's.

As documented in another thread, femr2 has been exploiting the ambiguity of MIHOP by using it to tell Truthers he's one of the good guys (by Truther standards) even as he stretches the meaning of MIHOP to encompass scenarios that are scarcely distinguishable from The Report of the 9/11 Commission.

 

[Major_Tom]

A single post from September, 2009?

Anyone with more than a turnip for a brain should be able to smell something a little queer going on in your forum.

And I am talking "Tony Holt" queer.

 

[Dog Town]

A single post from September, 2009?

Anyone with more than a turnip for a brain should be able to smell something a little queer going on in your forum.

And I am talking "Tony Holt" queer.

I can't wait to see yours, and F2's charts for all this!