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Split Thread What does "MIHOP" mean?

Cool. My use of the acronym MIHOP has no bearing at all upon *who*. You can argue about that for as long as you like, but you'll be "WRONG". My use of the acronym MIHOP has no bearing at all upon *who*.

:rolleyes:

All of this is off topic, and all in breach of rule 12.

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...Given recent discussion (for wont of a better word) very clearly so...
Possibly my legal pedantry cutting in but I thought "MIHOP" meant "made it happen on purpose" and who "made" it was a separate question. And, yes, I am aware of the prevalent practice of reading more into what is said than what is said. :rolleyes:

I have experienced the phenomenon on another forum when I made statements that went just so far and stopped with legal precision at that point. Some readers still added the implication of where they wanted the statement to go rather than where I took it. IMHO better to stay with being precise rather than try to guess who will read what extra implications into something. What I say is what I say and what I don't say is something I didn't say.

...The cloudless sky is blue ;)
Quite. :)
 
Why? Is oxygen blue?
Yup, well, liquid oxygen is. Made an edit...air :)

You REALLY want to argue about the statement "The cloudless sky is blue" ?

Rayleigh scattering is not quite on-topic.

:rolleyes:
 
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Cool. My use of the acronym MIHOP has no bearing at all upon *who*. You can argue about that for as long as you like, but you'll be "WRONG". My use of the acronym MIHOP has no bearing at all upon *who*.

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So its not the MIHOP we have all come to love and adore over the past 10 years. This is SMIHOP (SomeoneMadeItHappenOnPurpose)
 
If it was MIHOP'd not by the gov;t or gov't insiders, nor by a shadow gov't that controls all (or most) visible gov'ts on Earth, then that leaves.................. terrorist organizations or James Bond villans.

Hmmmm,,,, how to decide which is more plausible?
 
So its not the MIHOP we have all come to love and adore over the past 10 years. This is SMIHOP (SomeoneMadeItHappenOnPurpose)

Hmmm F2 not using the standard meaning of something. Then acting like others should know what he means, when used in a way only he has defined as such! I am shocked, shocked I tell you!:rolleyes:
 
"The" government did it?

Which government? There is more than one, you know, and some of them are peer-reviewed certified evildoers.

I'll stick to the visual record. Unless those responsible spray-painted their names on the outside of the buildings, the visual record can show you what was done but not who did it.
 
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Possibly my legal pedantry cutting in but I thought "MIHOP" meant "made it happen on purpose" and who "made" it was a separate question. And, yes, I am aware of the prevalent practice of reading more into what is said than what is said. :rolleyes:

I have experienced the phenomenon on another forum when I made statements that went just so far and stopped with legal precision at that point. Some readers still added the implication of where they wanted the statement to go rather than where I took it. IMHO better to stay with being precise rather than try to guess who will read what extra implications into something. What I say is what I say and what I don't say is something I didn't say.

Quite. :)

Seriously, ozeco, you're better than this. You don't have to support femr2 in everything. In this case, he is demonstrably wrong, and you know it.
 
Make it happen on purpose.

an inside job, that's what usually is understood in that, well there are those that think the MIHOP was organized by the mossad, which would not really be an inside job.

when you exclude inside job from mihop, everyone will agree it was a mihop, some people did make it happen on purpose.
 
when you exclude inside job from mihop, everyone will agree it was a mihop, some people did make it happen on purpose.

Well, to those who have been paying attention, YES. To F2, not so much.
I think our resident spinner should get a job, with FOX "News"!


All this talk of MIHOP, and LIHOP, got that freaken song stuck in my head. I think Abby posted it years ago. *shudders*
 
Possibly my legal pedantry cutting in but I thought "MIHOP" meant "made it happen on purpose" and who "made" it was a separate question.

This distinction is precisely what we are debating here: Does the de facto meaning of "MIHOP" imply the entity who made it happen on purpose (which I phrased as "agents of the US government"), or does it not? Is the "official" story of 19 AQ hijackers using planes, and only AQ hijackers (plus their planning and financing backbone), and only planes, included in the de facto meaning of "MIHOP"?

The answer most give is clear: Yes, it does imply that those who made it happen on purpose owe allegiance to the USA, and no, a scenario where AQ terrorists made it happen on purpose is not included.

You see, MIHOP is a term that describes a class of conspiracy theories other than the Al Quaeda conspiracy, and it pairs with LIHOP, which also describes a class of conspiracy theories other than the Al Quaeda conspiracy. MIHOP and LIHOP are disjoint classes. Let's start with LIHOP - Let It Happen On Purpose: Here, it is pretty clear who let it happen on purpose: Those normally in charge of not letting terrorist and foreign attacks against the USA happen - agents of the US government (the president, the secret services, the military, ... take your pick). This term LIHOP clearly contrasts with MIHOP, wherin the same groups and persons charged with protecting the USA did the opposite and actively brought the attacks about.
One such scenario could involve a mere LIHOP plus someone telling AQ to go ahead. This would not invlove any kinds of charges or other manipulations to the WTC towers. So MIHOP does not necessarily mean "towers were rigged", but it does mean inside job.

And, yes, I am aware of the prevalent practice of reading more into what is said than what is said. :rolleyes:

When someone says "MIHOP", people can be excused for hearing and understanding "MIHOP", which, as explained, implies inside job, at least in the minds of all people who ever used the acronym ever since its inception.
If femr2 used the term, but with a different meaning, and he notices that people do not understand what he means, the fault is his: He used a wrong term! He shoud then clarify and say "Hey, I said MIHOP, but I actually meant something else, sorry for the confusion", but that's not happening.

I have experienced the phenomenon on another forum when I made statements that went just so far and stopped with legal precision at that point. Some readers still added the implication of where they wanted the statement to go rather than where I took it. IMHO better to stay with being precise rather than try to guess who will read what extra implications into something. What I say is what I say and what I don't say is something I didn't say.

Quite. :)

When femr2 says "MIHOP", he says "inside job", even if he didn't intend to. Because that's what MIHOP means. That acronym is not free for grabs. It has been around long enough, and been used often enough and consistently, by all of us. It's comman usage and meaning is fixed: The "who" is already determined, or bound. It can't be AQ.

You wouldn't be so foolish as to use a word incorrectly and defend your incorrect usage.

You want legal pedantry? Then you will appreaciate that no one can accuse Osama Bin Laden or his 19 henchmen of High Treason against the USA, as that term has a fixed meaning, and that fixed meaning limits the "who". If you want "High Treason" to include crimes committed by people who do not owe allegiance to the USA, you can't complain if people misunderstand you, and upon being told that High Treason is limited to people who owe allegiance to the USA, you would, out of legal pedantry, retract your earlier, false usage of the term.
 
Amazing that after ten years of this crap and 911 kooks can't even be honest about who they are accusing with their stupid acronyms...
 

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