What did Democrats do wrong?

[thaiboxerken]

I think it's well supported by the text.

Perhaps what the Democrats did wrong was waste time engaging with bad faith interlocutors.

This happens all the time, the kinda suck us in with their trolling, lies and BS. It's hard not to engage with them because they are everywhere and the things they say are outrageous.

 

[dirtywick]

Perhaps what the Democrats did wrong was waste time engaging with bad faith interlocutors.

certainly a mistake i’ve made more than once

 

[theprestige]

Perhaps what the Democrats did wrong was waste time engaging with bad faith interlocutors.

There's that hypocrisy again. I spent years trying to have good faith discussions about politics, on this forum. After getting gaslit and strawmanned and shouted down over and over, I stopped trying so hard. Sorrynotsorry.

I mean, look at this thread: Take all the conservatives out of it, and the progressives can't even have a good faith discussion with each other. The entire US Politics subforum is wall to wall bad faith nonsense, even when there's not a conservative in sight.

Which is another thing to add to the list.

 

[theprestige]

This happens all the time, the kinda suck us in with their trolling, lies and BS. It's hard not to engage with them because they are everywhere and the things they say are outrageous.

Every accusation is a confession.

 

[Trausti]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981388171276370371

 

[Susheel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981388171276370371

And...?

 

[Susheel]

There's that hypocrisy again. I spent years trying to have good faith discussions about politics, on this forum. After getting gaslit and strawmanned and shouted down over and over, I stopped trying so hard. Sorrynotsorry.

I mean, look at this thread: Take all the conservatives out of it, and the progressives can't even have a good faith discussion with each other. The entire US Politics subforum is wall to wall bad faith nonsense, even when there's not a conservative in sight.

Which is another thing to add to the list.

Want some pearls to clutch?

 

[Susheel]

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[Pixel42]

If Biden's staff can reasonably be described as ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ crazy, we're going need a whole new vocabulary to describe Trump's.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

If Biden's staff can reasonably be described as ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ crazy, we're going need a whole new vocabulary to describe Trump's.

"...they emptied out the jails and the insane asylums and sent them here..."

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Every accusation is a confession.

Usually, this statement accompanies an actual observation of the offending behavior by the accuser/confessor. Otherwise, it just presents as a childish retort of: "*You're* a hypocrite!"

 

[d4m10n]

Perhaps what the Democrats did wrong was waste time engaging with bad faith interlocutors.

Alternatively, perhaps what they did wrong was to dismiss median voters in purple states as bad faith interlocutors unworthy of serious engagement. Deplorables, if you will, bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.

 

[d4m10n]

First of all, as is commonly pointed out, illegal immigrants often do the jobs that natural born Americans (even unemployed ones) are unwilling to do. In other words, its a separate labor market.

Is it, though? What I'm seeing here doesn't indicate separate markets, only differential representation rates.

 

[Segnosaur]

First of all, as is commonly pointed out, illegal immigrants often do the jobs that natural born Americans (even unemployed ones) are unwilling to do. In other words, its a separate labor market.

Is it, though? What I'm seeing here doesn't indicate separate markets, only differential representation rates.

I am not really sure what your reference is supposed to show. There are a lot of numbers presented, showing ethnic groups, job categories, etc. but nothing specifically about illegal immigrants in traditional low-wage jobs.

Of course, even if there were a few Americans willing to (for example) do farm work for the wages offered, it would still be dominated by foreign (illegal) immigrants. So yeah, maybe technically not a separate labor market, but close enough.

 

[Brainster]

He has no serious political experience. But what does he have? He is an eight-year military veteran with three tours in Iraq. He is a 100% disabled veteran who is part-owner of an oyster farm and a harbormaster. He also just happens to have Bernie Sanders' endorsement, has raised over $1 million, and has over 6,000 volunteers working for his campaign.

He also has a Nazi tattoo and a recent history of using slurs against LGBTQ individuals:

The new revelations add to a cascade of controversies that have defined Platner’s campaign. In recent days, Platner admitted to having a tattoo resembling the Totenkopf, a skull-and-crossbones emblem used by Nazi SS units, which the Associated Press reports he has since had altered.

A month later, in August 2018, he used a homophobic slur while arguing with another user: “Betcha not a single downvoter is a real combat vet. Feel free to back it up with facts, fags.”

In December 2019, Platner mocked military officers, writing, “Officers are gay. Army or navy, I really don’t give a ◊◊◊◊ about your frat.”

By March 2020, he was still using the word “gay” as a punch line: “This was the gayest (not in the fun dick sucking way) thing I’ve ever seen. This dude is literally everything I hate all rolled into one.”

He claims to have changed but he made those comments while in his mid-thirties.

 

[theprestige]

He also has a Nazi tattoo and a recent history of using slurs against LGBTQ individuals:




He claims to have changed but he made those comments while in his mid-thirties.

He's also in favor of slavery.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Is there something in the water in Maine? For a low-population state their politicians do seem to make the news a lot. Do they source all their drinking water in Derry?

 

[dirtywick]

he says it's accidental, which yeah i could see that maybe. aesthetically it's pretty distinct, and that cuts both ways. nazis ruined a lot of stylish stuff by using it and being nazis at the same time. regardless, typically your tattoo artist would warn you about getting a nazi tattoo.

you want to take chances that it wasn't an accident and wasn't a joke, idk man.

obviously conservatives don't actually care about it, they're just doing their thing.

 

[theprestige]

Elon Musk waves at a crowd? Literal Nazi.

Actual SS Totenkopf ink on a Democrat? Could be a misunderstanding.

 

[Random]

So Maine Dems get to choose between a potential Nazi and yet another 80ish year old, who apparently wants to keep the filibuster because Dems can use it to block GOP judicial nominees (they can't and haven't been able to for about ten years).