What did Democrats do wrong?

[Hercules56]

Democrats must move to center instead of promoting extremists views, such as democracy.

Rahm Emanuel Tells WSJ Democrats Must Move to Center to Win: Party Brand Is ‘Toxic’ and ‘Weak and Woke’

Rahm Emanuel, who is reportedly considering running for president in 2028, told The Wall Street Journal that Democrats need to move to the center if they want to win again, blasting the party's current brand as "toxic" and "weak and woke."

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strawman.

 

[Donal]

Democrats must move to center instead of promoting extremists views, such as democracy.

Rahm Emanuel Tells WSJ Democrats Must Move to Center to Win: Party Brand Is ‘Toxic’ and ‘Weak and Woke’

Rahm Emanuel, who is reportedly considering running for president in 2028, told The Wall Street Journal that Democrats need to move to the center if they want to win again, blasting the party's current brand as "toxic" and "weak and woke."

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◊◊◊◊ him. He should be rotting in prison for his role in covering up Laquan McDonald's murder. Another career centrist ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ who would rather see Trump than a progressive win. He's a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ nerd trying to play gangster.

 

[Venom]

After some more time to think about it, I'm still not sure Democrats could have done much about the direction the country was headed given the general vibes and influence of Trump loyalist media. Even if Democrats had backed off of transgender issues or equity in education, they weren't that impactful for most of the country anyway, but were amplified as loud as possible by every rightwing grifter in media.

Lot of first world problems as well. I don't buy that most people in this country were getting absolutely crushed by inflation and they couldn't function day to day on their income the way they could a few years earlier. It's convenience creep. I worked at two warehouses during the inter-Trump period. It was mostly white working class and immigrant employees. Not a day went by without coworkers bitching about price increases at a local burger joint or donut shop, like they couldn't go a day without a bite. Can't always eat what you want every day.

Now apparently all of the Trumpers there are pretty satisfied he got in, but not making a huge fuss about tariffs or anything. It's mostly perception and vibes man.

 

[Hercules56]

Biden pissed off a lot of Jews by not kissing Bibi's ass.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I said in my neck of the woods. My aggressively progressive state is in the bottom ten for education.

New Mexico?

 

[Ziggurat]

New Mexico?

Don't you mean New America?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Democrats must move to center instead of promoting extremists views, such as democracy.

Rahm Emanuel Tells WSJ Democrats Must Move to Center to Win: Party Brand Is ‘Toxic’ and ‘Weak and Woke’

Rahm Emanuel, who is reportedly considering running for president in 2028, told The Wall Street Journal that Democrats need to move to the center if they want to win again, blasting the party's current brand as "toxic" and "weak and woke."

www.mediaite.com

LOL! That's rich! In reality though, Democrats demonstrated during the last Presidential election that democracy is something they simply toss out the nearest window. Harris never received a single primary vote and the Democratic Convention was "closed" rather than being "open". When the leaders of a party choose their candidate without allowing the people opportunity to participate in the democratic process of voting, that's not "democracy", it's correctly defined as "oligarchy". The best part is, it's undeniable.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

in comparison to places run by Republicans?

I really think you should have a look at the data.

Remember for people like theprestige, people so uneducated that they don't know their rights is a good thing. Just because he is mistaken in his belief that his won't be one of the human faces the boot is stamping on is beside the point.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Democrats must move to center instead of promoting extremists views, such as democracy.

Rahm Emanuel Tells WSJ Democrats Must Move to Center to Win: Party Brand Is ‘Toxic’ and ‘Weak and Woke’

Rahm Emanuel, who is reportedly considering running for president in 2028, told The Wall Street Journal that Democrats need to move to the center if they want to win again, blasting the party's current brand as "toxic" and "weak and woke."

www.mediaite.com

◊◊◊◊ off Rahm, the party has bedn doing that for decades, with disasterous results.

I don't understand why politicians of failure like Emmanuel or TB continue to get traction.

 

[ahhell]

LOL! That's rich! In reality though, Democrats demonstrated during the last Presidential election that democracy is something they simply toss out the nearest window. Harris never received a single primary vote and the Democratic Convention was "closed" rather than being "open". When the leaders of a party choose their candidate without allowing the people opportunity to participate in the democratic process of voting, that's not "democracy", it's correctly defined as "oligarchy". The best part is, it's undeniable.

So, every other western democracy is an oligarchy? Because, that is what pretty much every other democratic system does. The parties chose candidates, and the voters choose from among the parties. That is a better system. I just think the dems should have done that a bit sooner.

Even in the US, while the primaries were originally a progressive and democratic reform over caucuses and conventions, they were mostly used by the parties to figure out which of the potential candidates could actually appeal to the people. They weren't really how the parties chose candidates until the IDK, 70s or 80s.

 

[Ziggurat]

So, every other western democracy is an oligarchy? Because, that is what pretty much every other democratic system does. The parties chose candidates, and the voters choose from among the parties. That is a better system.

It's a different system. And the difference involves more than just the party picking candidates. A multi-party parliametary system isn't the same as the winner-takes-all Presidential election system the US operates under. Primaries serve an incredibly important function in US presidential elections. The fact that other systems that operate in a very different way don't have primaries isn't a reason for US parties to abandon primaries. That's an incredibly superficial understanding of both.

 

[ahhell]

Nah, the only function the primaries serve in the use is to push the parties towards extremity and conformity. The primaries are why the only real threat to an incumbent is from their right in the GOP and the left among the dems. They have fundamentally distorted democracy in American. They are the principle reason Trump is the president and why the Dems lost to Trump in 2016. The primary reason the dems won in 2020, the got together and told everyone to drop out other than Biden.

For Zigs point to be correct, it have to explain why they weren't a thing for the first half of the US and then were only kind of a thing for the second half. I mean, the WA dems had both a primary and a caucus until 2016. Guess which won mattered? Now that one is undemocratic, basically fooling WA state dems into thinking they had a choice in their candidate.

To actually think primaries are a good thing, you'd have to either not pay attention or have just a religious belief in "democracy".

 

[d4m10n]

Biden pissed off a lot of Jews by not kissing Bibi's ass.

I don't think American Jews can swing elections outside of Skokie.

I mean, we're talking about maybe 2% of the population, almost entirely descended from people who declined aliyah^WP.

 

[ahhell]

I don't think American Jews can swing elections outside of Skokie.

I mean, we're talking about maybe 2% of the population, almost entirely descended from people who declined aliyah^WP.

Biden lost by 1 1/2% of the electorate. Seriously, anything the dems can do that will swing something like 150k voters in the swing states matters.

It all may be meaningless, in the last 10 years the GOP has lost more than won, especially when Trump isn't around.

 

[d4m10n]

Biden lost by 1 1/2% of the electorate.

I'm probably going to regret asking how much the Jewish American vote actually shifted in any given swing state.

 

[Hercules56]

Biden lost by 1 1/2% of the electorate. Seriously, anything the dems can do that will swing something like 150k voters in the swing states matters.

It all may be meaningless, in the last 10 years the GOP has lost more than won, especially when Trump isn't around.

Biden lost due to about 100,000 votes in MI, PA and WI.

A different shade of hair dye could easily swing that to Blue.

 

[ahhell]

I'm probably going to regret asking how much the Jewish American vote actually shifted in any given swing state.

Probably not by much but still, I like pointing out that this wasn't some sweep, it was incredibly close, it wouldn't have taken much for the Dems to have won so almost anything might have mattered. I think some of those things are obvious, running and obviously decrepit old man until nobody could deny it for instance. The Israel-Palestine question, I couldn't actually guess if taking a harder stance in one direction or the other would have mattered. I think Biden tried to have it both ways there and with Ukraine*, not sure that mattered either but I don't think it helped.

*With Ukraine there was a lot of we give them this but not this and eventually we gave them that too. With Israe, mixed messages but didn't actually limit support for Israel as far as I can tell. I'm not sure it mattered but I think taking a firmer stance in either case probably would have helped. I suspect, they lost some votes they would have lost if they'd more clearly chosen a side but didn't gain any votes that they might have if they had more clearly chosen a side.

 

[ahhell]

Biden lost due to about 100,000 votes in MI, PA and WI.

A different shade of hair dye could easily swing that to Blue.

That, which is why I find the folks refusing to even consider what the dems did wrong so frustrating, it would take so little. They can't change what the GOP is doing, they can't change how voters react to that, but they can change what they are doing.

 

[d4m10n]

The Israel-Palestine question, I couldn't actually guess if taking a harder stance in one direction or the other would have mattered.

I'm fairly skeptical of the proposition that Biden kissing Bibi's ass (more than he did) would have helped Harris win, especially with all the think pieces about how Dems lost support on the left for not condemning Israel enough.

I find the folks refusing to even consider what the dems did wrong so frustrating, it would take so little.

Hard agree, but in this case the party was trapped between two constituencies with few good alternatives available.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Biden just made the US look incredibly weak on Gaza, complaining but never acting.
As Israeli have said, Biden was more Pro Israeli leadership than Trump currently is: he just let them do whatever.
Any hard stance, pro or anti Netanjahu, would have been better for the Election than just leaking that behind closed doors Biden is not happy with Bibi.
And Harris had the chance to take a harder stance, and decided not to.