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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.6%

  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 28.6%

  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 36.4%

  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 33.8%

  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 18.2%

  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.4%

  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.8%
  • Total voters
    77
Donal said:
Democrats in general have been running right for over 40 years.
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Can you name a couple actual issues where they are further to the right now than they were under the Clinton administration?
Donal said:
Specifically Harris? Campaigning with Liz Cheney.
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I don't believe in guilt by association and Harris didn't adopt any of Cheney's conservative ideas on issues, IIRC.
 
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d4m10n said:
Can you name a couple actual issues where they are further to the right now than they were under the Clinton administration?
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Nice moving the goal posts. "Lets take a neoliberalists of neoliberals and make him the standard".
d4m10n said:
I don't believe in guilt by association and Harris didn't adopt any of Cheney's conservative ideas on issues, IIRC.
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I know people who don't believe the earth is round or that climate change exists. That doesn't make those topics debatable. It just makes those people wrong. Who you associate, especially in that scenario, is not just a choice. It is a statement.
 
Donal said:
Nice moving the goal posts.
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I subtracted your "40 years" from the current year and landed in the Reagan era, then moved up the timeline to the next major figure in the Democratic Party, reasoning that moving the other direction would stretch the goalposts beyond what you had claimed. If the party has been "running right for over 40 years" then surely it has also been "running right for over 30 years."

If you'd rather start in 1985, by all means, feel free.

Here is my question again:
Can you name a couple actual issues where [Democrats] are further to the right now than they were [back then]?
 
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Tax rates. "Tough on crime". Social Safety Net. Deregulation. Bill Clinton and the current Democratic Leadership pretty much run neck and neck with Reagan on those issues. Remember who wrote the 1994 Crime Bill?
 
Donal said:
Tax rates. "Tough on crime". Social Safety Net. Deregulation. Bill Clinton and the current Democratic Leadership pretty much run neck and neck with Reagan on those issues. Remember who wrote the 1994 Crime Bill?
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Democrats in my neck of the woods have gone very soft on crime in recent decades. And they keep trying to expand their idea of a social safety net any way they can. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
theprestige said:
Democrats in my neck of the woods have gone very soft on crime in recent decades. And they keep trying to expand their idea of a social safety net any way they can. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
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which you can prove by a signigifcant rise in crime and lower budgets for the police, right?
 
There was an interview with Bernie Sanders on the BBC, where he said that the democrats failed to make a message that they would address the needs of the working man and woman. That they got captured by millionaire pollsters and advisers. Certainly the strongest voices opposing Trump seem to be Sanders and AOC on their fighting oligarchy tour.

Is there any reason why democrats couldn't launch straight into primaries, have a presidential and vice presidential candidate in place by the end of the year, who can then establish themselves and develop a clear policy position in the run up to the November 2028 election.
 
A lot can happen in 3 years. The results of the midterms are going to play a big role.

And the campaigns are long enough, thank you very much.
 
Donal said:
Tax rates. "Tough on crime". Social Safety Net. Deregulation.
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You said they were moving to the right, right?

None of these examples demonstrate that they used to espouse position X but now they espouse position Y, which is clearly to the right thereof.

Perhaps the shift from Clinton to Obama to Clinton to Biden/Harris involved Democratic promises of a less robust safety net, but I don't remember seeing any of that in the party platform or in how legislators actually voted. Certainly the ACA and the ARP were intended to make at least some aspects of the social safety net more robust.

As to the Reagan / W. / Trump tax cuts, I don't recall any of those garnering lots of praise or votes from mainstream Dems.

It's really difficult for me to come up with any specifics to steelman your case that the Dems have been "running right" for the last several decades.
 
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We should get rid of the primaries and go back to smoke filled rooms like every ether democratic country.
 
Meh, local politics are a strange beast. I was referring to the national party. And those "best schools" surveys aren't exactly scientific.
 
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