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What are the odds...

So geggy, any proof to what you are saying this time?

Show us your stuff, or are you going to keep changing the subject like you always do?
 
Geggy, please look at your post again. I've deleted some of the words but I have not changed a single word you wrote and I have not changed the order in which they appear.

geggy said:
I always believe ... which is why I found it to be suspicious how ... is also known to have ... They had strong ties ... I had a feeling ... It was widely reported ... None of it makes sense to me ... after hearing about ... before he could further investigate the matter ... it was reported ... The US govt denied ...
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All of your "facts" boil down to things you believe, things you heard, things you don't understand and things you have questions about. Nothing you wrote was an actual, verifiable fact. Nothing you wrote was reported by any reputable news agency of any sort.

Certainly you must see that your entire scenerio exists as loose connections that you made in your head, no piece resting on a proper foundation. And surely you must recognize how logically weak your argument is.

Does this mean nothing to you?
 
Pardalis said:
What about your controlled-demolition-made-to-look-like-a-fake-collapse-from-the-top theory geggy?

Whenever you're shown wrong you keep changing the subject. Now you're on to Atta and his alledged drug connections. You wouldn't have any proof to that either would you?

Douche bag.
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This thread had seriously sidetracked after my post about the project bojinka.

Someone asked me why I included DEA in the original post so thought I'd clear it up, is all.

How is it delusional to think that osama and the 19 hijackers couldn't have possibly defeated the multi-trillion dollars defense system in the US?
 
263, geggy!

eta: you brought up DNA on flight 77. Who were the two brothers identified by DNA from that flight, geggy? Eh?
 
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They weren't up against the multi-trillion dollar defense system.

The vast majority of the system was (and still is) pointed outward.

We are a country that holds the right of free travel in high regard. They exploited this. We also have an open immigration policy.

Its about them taking rights we hardly even think about and twisting them into something horrific as it is about defeating our security.
 
Donal said:
The vast majority of the system was (and still is) pointed outward.
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And most of it wasn't pointed at terrorists, in any case. Exactly what could a bunch of tanks or B-52's done to prevent this attack?

Now, if we Canadians had decided to burn Washington again, you'd be set, but these guys? Slipped through the cracks.
 
geggy said:
How is it delusional to think that osama and the 19 hijackers couldn't have possibly defeated the multi-trillion dollars defense system in the US?
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It's delusional because you're drawing conclusions from an abstraction rather than the actual circumstances.

It's like saying that Malvo couldn't possibly have snipered all those people, or Manson's gang of drugged up hippies couldn't possibly have murdered those rich people, because they were up against multi-million dollar law enforcement systems.

It's ridiculous.
 
geggy said:
How is it delusional to think that osama and the 19 hijackers couldn't have possibly defeated the multi-trillion dollars defense system in the US?
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Because they didn't attack a multi-trillion dollar defence system. They attacked innocent,unarmed civilian’s onboard four planes.

They then used these planes to attack successfully two civilian buildings and a military complex.
 
stateofgrace said:
Because they didn't attack a multi-trillion dollar defence system. They attacked innocent,unarmed civilian’s onboard four planes.

They then used these planes to attack successfully two civilian buildings and a military complex.
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But they will say the Pentagon was a target...it was an unarmed target & te White House and Congress were just as suseptable to this attack. Of course there is no missle defense system...yet.
 
And as long as Reagan International sits next to the Pentagon, there won't be.
 
firecoins said:
But they will say the Pentagon was a target...it was an unarmed target & te White House and Congress were just as suseptable to this attack. Of course there is no missle defense system...yet.
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No, it has a defense system, one that was partially completed when Flight 77 hit it. A passive defense system.

Not all defenses go boom. Sometimes alternate approaches are not only more acceptable, but equally effective, even cheaper.
 
Besides, it's really stupid to have an active defense system out there firing on new and aspiring pilots.
 
I, for one, think we need more automated anti-aircraft missile batteries placed randomly around the country.
 
Loss Leader said:
I, for one, think we need more automated anti-aircraft missile batteries placed randomly around the country.
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That's the funniest thing. That's what the CTists think the US defense system should be, which is insane and contradicts their own fear of their goverment becoming a "police state". :boggled:
 
firecoins said:
what exactly prevents a group of 4 or 5 men from hijacking an aircraft? especially if they are willing to kill someone? espcially if they are willing to die themselves?

Pre 9/11 I got knife through security in Orlando. I did in January of 2001. I had it in my pants pocket and it never set off any security. Of course, I had no intentions of hurting people.
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Post 9/11 my wife and I took a trip to Jamaica. I took with me my CPAP machine -- a large black plastic box about 7" x 5" x 12" that I use for my sleep apnea -- in my checked luggage. On the way down from Toronto it went through the checked luggage procedure (disappearing out of sight and the belt into the bowels of the airport) where presumably it was x-rayed and someone said "that's a CPAP machine, it's OK". On the way back, at the airport in Jamaica, checked baggage is hand checked in the presence of the passenger. My CPAP was in my bag, wrapped in a towel and covered top, bottom and sides by folded clothing. When my bag was checked, I thought, "I'm going to have some explaining to do". The security guard, large, female and distinctly unfriendly looking, reached into both side of the bag and felt around. She actually felt on both side of the machine. Missed it completely and sent me on my way. I could have been going to the USA. I could have had a couple of kilos of gelignite.

I have absolutely no trouble thinking that terrorists with what we Canadians used to call box cutters could get on board a plane and hijack it. Why is this so hard not to understand?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
I have absolutely no trouble thinking that terrorists with what we Canadians used to call box cutters could get on board a plane and hijack it. Why is this so hard not to understand?
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pre-9/11 (1996 actualy) i was coming home from a camping trip and i had a 4in pocket knife (which i believe is illegal in the US on its own, if its concealed) in my carryon

if i had taken it out of my bag and placed it against a flight attendants's neck im sure i could had the pilot take me wherever i wanted...naturally the thought never crossed my mind (honestly, it didnt)
 
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