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What are the odds...

geggy said:
ETA: they had to rely on flight manifest to prove who boarded AA77 yet DNA testing of bodies recovered from the crash site showed there were no arabs on the flight, as stated in FOIA's forms.
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victims list != passenger manifest
 
Triterope said:
victims list != passenger manifest
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Please, they get this confused all the time.

Kind of like geggy is confused about what in heaven's name the Drug Enforcement Agency would have to do with preventing 9/11.
 
geggy said:
The anti-terrorist unit responsiblity is to gather evidence in order to track those who are connected to the attack and have the potentinal to lead them in preventing future attacks by the same group. Unfortunately they weren't there at the crash site. The evidence they've received are either fabricated/stolen (hijackers' identifications) or disposed (plane parts).
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wow, for once the CTers have a belief that contradicts a movie or video game, cuz that sure isnt how counter-strike is played

ETA: they had to rely on flight manifest to prove who boarded AA77 yet DNA testing of bodies recovered from the crash site showed there were no arabs on the flight, as stated in FOIA's forms.
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how exaxtly does one distinguish "arab" dna?
 
geggy said:
The anti-terrorist unit responsiblity is to gather evidence in order to track those who are connected to the attack and have the potentinal to lead them in preventing future attacks by the same group. Unfortunately they weren't there at the crash site. The evidence they've received are either fabricated/stolen (hijackers' identifications) or disposed (plane parts).

ETA: they had to rely on flight manifest to prove who boarded AA77 yet DNA testing of bodies recovered from the crash site showed there were no arabs on the flight, as stated in FOIA's forms.
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Umm, Geggy...

"FOIA" stands for "Freedom of Information Act". There aren't any official forms involved in making a request for documents under the FOIA, it's done by means of a letter. You can find sample FOIA request letters on the Web, e.g. [url="http://foi.missouri.edu/foialett.html]here[/url], but those aren't "forms" in the sense that most people use the word.

Get it? There is no agency abbreviated as "FOIA" which produces forms..

Second, what exactly is your evidence that the DNA identification of bodies and body parts recovered from the Pentagon ruled out there being anyone of Arab descent on AA77?

For that matter, what is your evidence that the use of forensic DNA analysis for identification normally produces conclusions about the ethnicity of the person from whom the sample originated, apart from what can be determined once you know who the person was? (If DNA analysis were to be used to identify my corpse, once that identity was established it would be trivial to determine that I was of Italian descent by simple research into my family history; no "Italian DNA" required.)

Indeed, what evidence have you that the loci examined in the DNA identification process are those used in genealogical DNA analysis?

Step up to the plate, geggy. You've already got umpty-ump +1 strikes against you (exposing your ignorance of the FOIA was the +1), but have a swing anyway. Produce some support of your "no Arab DNA" claim.

N.B.: Regurgitating crap cyber-metastasized among conspira-loon Web sites counts as foul balls.
 
What are the odds that an entire U.S. government agency could be created, funded, employ thousands of people, conduct secret operations all over the world, and be kept secret for 30 + years?
 
Probably referring to the NSA, which has been jokingly referred to as the No Such Agency for years.
 
CptColumbo said:
If he/she is refering to the NSA, it's been around for nearly 60 years.
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and supposedly no one knew about it for the first 30

of course peopel did know, the govt just did not acknowledge its existance (much liek area 51) leading to piggy's "No Such Agency" joke
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
What are the odds that an entire U.S. government agency could be created, funded, employ thousands of people, conduct secret operations all over the world, and be kept secret for 30 + years?
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What are the odds that somebody could get a blow job in total secrecy and get caught?

What are the odds that somebody could send secret smutty texts to young boys and get caught?

What are the odds that somebody could secretly phone tap somebody else and get caught?

ZERO.

Secrets of the magnitude you are talking about do not stay secret for long.

Of course you don't believe me, but then again I'm sure Bill Clinton never thought anybody would find out about his secret private blow job neither.

Your paranoid delusions simply blind to the total and absolute impossibility of this not been blown wide open years ago.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
What are the odds that an entire U.S. government agency could be created, funded, employ thousands of people, conduct secret operations all over the world, and be kept secret for 30 + years?
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Please provide the list of the 3,000 US citizens the NSA murdered.

Oh, right, you can't. An agency that decodes signals intelligence is not a massive conspiracy to murder one's own citizens. For one thing, the NSA's building was set way back in the woods. The World Trade Center, on the other hand, was in the middle of New York Frickin' City.
 
A logical problem for CT's

We have here a primary logical fallacy of the conspiracy guys.

If someone is pulling off a hoax, they don't make the cover story an unlikely or incredible one.
The more anomalies, oddities, and long shots you find in the cover story, the less likely there's a conspiracy--not more. Conspirators want their story to go down smoothly. Otherwise, they're caught.

So, in collecting huge numbers of smoking guns, conspiracy folks are actually proving the incident wasn't a conspiracy. They're disproving their own theory, but they just don't know it. That's why people laugh at them.
 
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Correct! TAM will be along in a minute.


edit: Till then...welcome PL.
 
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