What About Neanderthals?

Part of the science conspiracy just like piltdown man. One fraud can be used to discount all historical evidence you see.
 
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Bjb, please tell me this website is satirical,


I don't think I have ever been more insulted.

I do hope that the site was satirical. It certainly is a sick way of indoctrinating young kids, but I think it is in line with the way Fundy's teach their children. How very sad.

Yes, I thought that the athiest goat did have the likeness of James Randi. And what a nice set of horns.:mad:
 
A proud moment! The company who make commercials for a certain auto insurance company in the United States have learned their lesson. No longer will this advertiser denigrate the noble troglodytes, be they Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, or generic ape-man.

30-second tv advert, no gecko (Quicktime format): http://www.awfulcommercials.com/geico01.php

Disclaimer: Link posted purely for entertainment value, fwiw, and on account of it's germane (kinda-sorta). I don't use Geico for my insurance and have no interest in the company.

[edit] For those who'd rather not see the video, just a screenshot, here's the discussion thread where I found the link to the QT.

http://www.awfulcommercials.com/archives/2005/12/04/geico-cavemen/
 
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Objective Ministries is satirical. They do link to "real" sites and base most of their stuff on "real" sites. It's such an effective and convincing site because they just take what's out there and push it a little further towards its logical conclusion.

Answers In Genesis says Neanderthals got rickets because after the flood they had to live in caves. That's really very silly--cave dwellers spent most of their time outdoors. If they had to stay in the caves 24/7 they would have starved.
 
ChristineR said:
Objective Ministries is satirical. They do link to "real" sites and base most of their stuff on "real" sites. It's such an effective and convincing site because they just take what's out there and push it a little further towards its logical conclusion.

Answers In Genesis says Neanderthals got rickets because after the flood they had to live in caves. That's really very silly--cave dwellers spent most of their time outdoors. If they had to stay in the caves 24/7 they would have starved.
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Not to mention the 'fact' that no living creature survived the flood (discounting flora, of course), otherwise Gilgame...eh...Noah went to all that trouble for nothing. :rolleyes:
 
SPQR said:
I was watching a show on the Discovery Science Channel entitled The Rise of Man a few nights ago and this question hit me.

What does Chrisitianity say about neanderthals? They were a seperate species of human that lived along side homo sapiens about ten thousand years ago(feel free to correct me on the time frame).

If they were a different species of human, did they have a "soul"? If not, why?

Or do fundies simple disregard the fossil evidence of neanderthals like they do with most everything else? Just curious.
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A: Aaaalllll of he above! Depends on which people you ask.

Another one not mentioned is a fellow who claims that Neandertals are evidence of antediluvian longevity: that the exaggerated nose size and occipital bun are evidence of extremely long lives of the earliest people, as described in Genesis.

Others describe them as:

  • hoaxes, plain and simple
  • people with rickets, due to post-diluvian environment
  • a strange family with akward appearance, all related
 
Correa Neto said:
If I remember correctly (no, no, I'm not THAT old, I'm talking about something I read - or I think I read) the Average Neanderthal Joe was acually shorter than the Average Sapiens Joe. More muscular, but shorter.
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What? A creationist claim proved to be scientifically inaccurate by the fossil record? Say it ain't so!
 
I asked my fundie friend. He said that you can see people that look like the "cave men" (he actually said "cave men") even today. In fact, if we lived in the wilderness, we might look like "cave men". They are just kind of hairy humans.

I could not just go there with it. The bone structure differences, the brain size, everything....

If you just ignore that stuff, cave men are just US!
 
I have heard some creationists propose that because Neanderthals came from Europe and Cro-Magnon from Africa, that White people come from Neanderthals and Black people from Cro-Magnon. Very silly and very ignorant.
 
CACTUSJACKmankin said:
I have heard some creationists propose that because Neanderthals came from Europe and Cro-Magnon from Africa, that White people come from Neanderthals and Black people from Cro-Magnon.
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And this also happened in only a thousand years or something? Who was Adam and Eve then? Some mixture that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon originated from?? Get them to answer those questions, I'm dying to know what they say!
 
Eos of the Eons said:
And this also happened in only a thousand years or something? Who was Adam and Eve then? Some mixture that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon originated from?? Get them to answer those questions, I'm dying to know what they say!
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We forget that there was a second 'founder' bottleneck long after Adam and Eve: Noah and his immediate family were the only flood survivors. Most biblical-literalist explanations for races use a postdiluvian timescale. The Zaroastrian name for Noah meant 'ultimate ancestor'.

Specifically, the descendants of Noah were fruitful and mutiplied, and spread out from Ararat, which is vaguely consistent with the 'out of africa' hypothesis, but does not really square with any serious details.

However, the big problem is that most stories of pseudo-humanoids, such as giants, describe them as antediluvian, and therefore they cannot be ancestors of moderns in any way, unless there were other flood survivors, which is not very compatible with the view that the bible is complete.

I think the exercise will be very difficult to complete, because individual Christians don't worry about these things, and you will find mostly indifference rather than explanations. Even when you find explanations, they will be inconsistent from person to person; there is no "official" explanation.
 
Hmm, yeah, so one of the groups can't be wiped out by the flood since we have both European and Africans around today, so the two must have survived... and Noah can't be both cro or nea... can he? So cros and neas evolved separately after the flood and noah is the mixture...

Either way, Noah must be the father of all different nationalities on the planet! He was African, Asian, Indian, and Caucasian!

The flood thing really messes with their attempts to fit evolution into 6000 years! Really entertaining :D
 
ChristineR said:
Answers In Genesis says Neanderthals got rickets because after the flood they had to live in caves. That's really very silly--cave dwellers spent most of their time outdoors. If they had to stay in the caves 24/7 they would have starved.
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I thought nothing that wasn't on the ark didn't survive the flood. Are they saying Neanderthals were on the ark and got rickets afterwards, even though the "humans" didn't?
 
Oh yeah, all species of humanoids, going back to our ape ancestors, musta been on the ark, and then became extinct afterwards. That's how we got Asians, Caucasians, Africans, Indians, etc. Silly me. Carry on.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Oh yeah, all species of humanoids, going back to our ape ancestors, musta been on the ark, and then became extinct afterwards. That's how we got Asians, Caucasians, Africans, Indians, etc. Silly me. Carry on.
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Yes, but who was the sexy cruise director?
 
Meffy said:
*wild guess*

Mitochondrial Eve?
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Nahhh, aw heck, what was Noah's son in law #5's name? I picture him as
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As cruise director, he got the mighty cushy monopoly on sleeping with the babboons.
 
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