Wall a huge failure

[Jim Bowen]

And I tried to diminish its relevance how exactly?
Never mind. Another empty post from Jim Bowen. Unable to make a case to support your point of view, you choose instead to vaguely criticize me for not "seeing both sides" while remaining blithely ignorant of the obvious fact that the same criticism applies to you.
Do get back to me when you have something of substance to say. I’ll be here.
Denny Crane

There must some kind of echo in here. I criticise the fact that you ignore facts that you don't like and just see things one way and then you try and bat that back to me, rather than to address the issue. Bit strange, but there you go.

I find the last sentence requesting me to get back to you when I've got something of substance to add, ironic, as you are merely parroting something that I have already asked you to do in my post at the top of this page. I guess that you find that easier than actually debating the issue. Either that or you are a parrot with a penchant for lunatic fringe rantings of course.

Jim Bowen

 

[Elind]

That`s rich.
They have been under a brutal military occupation for the best part of 40 years with all that entails incase you haven`t noticed. I`d like to see how anyone would get on creating any sort of society under such conditions.

Your simplification and distortion of history is laughable.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by Jim Bowen
There must some kind of echo in here. I criticise the fact that you ignore facts that you don't like and just see things one way and then you try and bat that back to me, rather than to address the issue. Bit strange, but there you go.

Jim, you asked about post traumatic stress disorder and I addressed the issue of post traumatic stress disorder. Then you claim I didn't address the issue while simultaneously ignoring all the issues I raised about Palestinian-Arab training camps for children, media campaigns pushing violence and martyrdom, etc. All this while claiming I don’t address facts after I pointed out you don’t address facts (is there an echo in here?)

Jim I think you’re just a troll. I don’t think you really have an opinion, I think you only want to get someone to notice you.

Do get back to me when you have something more to offer. I’ll be here.

Originally posted by Jim Bowen
Jim Bowen

Denny Crane.

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft:
" I only draw attention to the "loonie muslims" who are interested in killing people."

Yeah, two headed babies are notorious for being interested in milk and cuddles...ooops, I meant "killing people".

Ah, the jackal must be starving to be gnawing on that old bone.

Gnaw away.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by The Fool
Lol...Bite me....shall I add your latest claim to the list? The list of claims you cannot find a single example of?(that I defend and support violence).

You must miss Skeptic a great deal. It seems you need a new target for your paranoia.

Originally posted by The Fool
I know how many Arabs contribute to this ongoing tragedy. Murder of civilians being one of the main ways. Corruption, racism and Religious fanaticism are among a number of other ways many of them contribute to the tragedy.

Ah, progress. Yet whenever these issues are brought up, the one who does so is "racist" or "starting another whack a 'loony Muslim' thread." Your knee-jerk reaction is to divert the conversation to anything other than murder of civilians, corruption, racism or religious fanaticism.

Originally posted by The Fool
I note with some amusement that you still dodge or ignore any requests to point out a single action of the Israeli regime you do not salute....Its becoming quite laughable...like your inability to use the "T" word about American behavior at Abu Graib. You are a caricature.

Yes, I'm bad for pointing out that pouring the contents of a chemical glow-stick on someone isn't torture. I'm also bad for not bringing up Israel's faults while I'm correcting anti-Israel misinformation.

Tell me, when was the last time you, AUP or Demon ever specifically pointed out faults in Palestinian-Arab leadership and condemned them for it? Have you taken them to task for it?

Originally posted by The Fool
At least your wack a muslim threads give the bigots somewhere to play.

You seem to enjoy them.

 

[The Fool]

You must miss Skeptic a great deal. It seems you need a new target for your paranoia.

you said it, you cannot support it, you are a liar just like skeptic.....simple really. of course you could easily crush me with one blow by simply quoting and example of where I have defended or supported any acts of violence....but of course you can't do that can you.




Yes, I'm bad for pointing out that pouring the contents of a chemical glow-stick on someone isn't torture.

is that what happened there? nothing else?


I'm also bad for not bringing up Israel's faults while I'm correcting anti-Israel misinformation.

as you are demonstrating once again in this thread you are incapable of critisism of Israel. Shall I ask you a third time? Can you name one little thing that you disagree with...just one little tiny thing??...standing to attention and saluting is the only response that you seem to have available,



Tell me, when was the last time you, AUP or Demon ever specifically pointed out faults in Palestinian-Arab leadership and condemned them for it? Have you taken them to task for it?

Search on Arafat and my name if you want to know what I have said about Arafat (as an example) I don't spoon feed liars. If you claim I don't critisize arab leaders you are showing that you either could not be bothered to check or are a liar...



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[a_unique_person]

Your simplification and distortion of history is laughable.

Which part of military occupation is not?

 

[a_unique_person]

Tell me, when was the last time you, AUP or Demon ever specifically pointed out faults in Palestinian-Arab leadership and condemned them for it? Have you taken them to task for it?

Have I ever said that I thought the Palestinians deserved better than Arafat, etc. Why yes, I do believe I did.

 

[demon]

Mycroft:
"Ah, the jackal must be starving to be gnawing on that old bone.
Gnaw away."

Hey, the old ones are the best.
While we are doing old ones, when are the real jackals going to stop gnawing on Palestinian bones?

 

[demon]

Mycroft:
"Tell me, when was the last time you, AUP or Demon ever specifically pointed out faults in Palestinian-Arab leadership and condemned them for it? Have you taken them to task for it?"

The Fool:
"Search on Arafat and my name if you want to know what I have said about Arafat (as an example) I don't spoon feed liars. If you claim I don't critisize arab leaders you are showing that you either could not be bothered to check or are a liar..."

Same goes for me. You are welcome to check out my references to Arafat.

 

[Mycroft]

Have I ever said that I thought the Palestinians deserved better than Arafat, etc. Why yes, I do believe I did.

Sure you do, you just never mention specifics. You throw up vague and generalized condemnations, just like you're doing now, whenever someone says something drawing attention to how one-sided you are. What you’ve never done is say anything resembling, "This specific action is clearly wrong. The Palestinian-Arabs really need to change how they do things if they ever want to achieve peace."

At the same time, I've also repeatedly said Israel isn't perfect without going into details.

So when the Fool takes me to task for not bringing up specific faults of Israel without also taking you and Demon to task for not bringing up specific faults of the Palestinian-Arabs, he's applying a double-standard.

Not that I would expect him to do anything else. He’s an apologist. Just like you, me, and Demon.

I don’t expect you and Demon to stop being what you are and suddenly adopt a balanced view. The two of you are the way you are for reasons I don’t understand and don’t need to understand.

The issue here is the Fool has long ago abandoned arguing anything on facts, and now only argues about the personalities arguing. This exchange is a perfect example, he’s not saying anything pro-Palestinian-Arab or anti-Israeli, he’s only talking about me and about how months ago I said things he didn’t like about torture in Abu Graib and about how now I’m not jumping on the bandwagon to bash Israel just because he thinks I should. (It’s interesting to note; he can’t argue against anything specific I said about torture in Abu Graib, his tactic is just a general smear because my overall stance wasn’t PC enough for him.)

So as long as the Fool wants to argue about personalities instead of issues, I’ll point out that the same criticisms he levels against me also apply to you, him, Demon and anyone else who takes a side on an issue.

Is there a specific fallacy that covers the you’re biased because you don’t say anything against your own point of view" argument? Or is it just a variation of red herring?

 

[Mycroft]

Hey, the old ones are the best.
While we are doing old ones, when are the real jackals going to stop gnawing on Palestinian bones?

Well, Arafat's dead, so his feast is done. Let's see who steps up to the plate next.

My prediction is a lot of Palestinian-Arab blood will be spilt before the Islamic factions figure out who gets first rights to rob these people and profit from their misery.

Normally I'd place my money on Hamas, but they've been having problems retaining their upper management, despite recent attempts to improve the retirement plan. This is just as well for the Palestinian-Arab people, Hamas could only make their situation worse.

 

[Jim Bowen]

Do get back to me when you have something more to offer. I’ll be here.

I see that you are still parotting. Reference to the trauma stuff, see my post above about you not wishing to debate the point, only to bat it back by complaining about how it affects the Israelis more. I see that I am not the only person here who has noticed your low quality of debate and fixed ideas.

Jim Bowen

 

[Mycroft]

I see that you are still parotting. Reference to the trauma stuff, see my post above about you not wishing to debate the point, only to bat it back by complaining about how it affects the Israelis more. I see that I am not the only person here who has noticed your low quality of debate and fixed ideas.

Okay Jim, let’s review:

1) For starters, I did not claim post traumatic stress disorder affected the Israelis more. I said it affected them also. That’s an important distinction, don’t you think?

2) I pointed out that suffering (in this case post traumatic stress disorder) does not prove right or wrong, it only shows suffering.

3) I pointed out that the escalation of the conflict by the Palestinian-Arabs was a major contributor to the environment that creates post traumatic stress disorder.

4) I also pointed out that sending 12 year-old kids to train with real guns in the skills of killing people is also a very likely cause of post traumatic stress disorder.

Wow Jim. It looks like I said many things that directly related to your point, yet you claim I didn’t. Jim, I can see why you’re reluctant to introduce anything factual to support your argument, it seems your reading skills aren’t up to the point where you can comprehend what you read, much less absorb facts.

And while you’re claiming I’m ignoring facts, what issues have you failed to address?

1) Palestinian-Arabs train their children to kill Israelis in very much the same way I take my kid to soccer practice. They’re given rifles, sometimes real and sometimes fake, and uniforms.

2) The results of this training is that Palestinian-Arab children get themselves killed attacking Israelis.

3) Palestinian-Arab television promotes children to prepare for death in deliberate provocation designed to draw the fire of Israeli soldiers and get them killed. This behavior is glorified, presented as a role model for children to follow.

4) The same Palestinian-Arab television demonizes Israelis by falsely depicting them machine-gunning soccer playing children.

5) Palestinian-Arabs name sporting teams, sporting leagues and even schools after terrorists.

Wow, Jim! That’s a lot of issues you’re ignoring there. It seems incongruous of you to claim (falsely) that I’m not addressing your issues while you’re leaving so many hanging like that.

How do you explain that?

Originally posted by Jim Bowen
Jim Bowen

Denny Crane

 

[Jim Bowen]

An interesting post, Mycroft. I see that you are still failing to address the issues. The trauma stuff that you claim to have addressed is bizarre. Rather than discussing it, per se, you appear to be blaming the Palestinians for it themselves. It seems that their reaction to years of occupation is the fault, rather than the occupation itself. A bit of warped logic. I note that you are still trying to hijack the thread into discussing Palestinian links to various terrorist outfits, but with no actual understanding of why they might have such links.

Have you any notion of cause and effect? Or is this yet another blind spot? Why do you think that Palestinians are resisting Israel?

Jim Bowen

 

[zenith-nadir]

An interesting post, Mycroft. I see that you are still failing to address the issues. The trauma stuff that you claim to have addressed is bizarre. Rather than discussing it, per se, you appear to be blaming the Palestinians for it themselves.

Ever heard of the concept of personal responsibility?

It seems that their reaction to years of occupation is the fault, rather than the occupation itself.

Nope. The occupation is the fault of a war brought on by Syria, Egypt and Jordan. The occupation is the fault of continued terror attacks eminating from islamist groups in the Gaza and the West Bank. The occupation is the fault of the Palestinian Authority which happenes to represent the Palestinian People who by the way gave said islamist groups safe harbor in Gaza and the West Bank, contrary to several international peace treaties signed by the Palestinian Authority and the Geneva Convention regarding perfidity.

A bit of warped logic.

Yours?...definitely.

 

[Mycroft]

Ever heard of the concept of personal responsibility?
...
Yours?...definitely.

Oh give it up. Jim's not interested in discussion. It's clear no matter what you say, his response will be to claim you didn't respond to "his point" (which apparently means you didn't agree with him) while simultaneously he will ignore anything you bring up.

 

[Jim Bowen]

Oh give it up. Jim's not interested in discussion. It's clear no matter what you say, his response will be to claim you didn't respond to "his point" (which apparently means you didn't agree with him) while simultaneously he will ignore anything you bring up.

Sounds quite similar to how you could be described, Mycroft

Entertaining notion about how the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land is their fault, ZN, rather than Israels. Have you ever thought of taking up comedy?

Jim Bowen

 

[demon]

Jim Bowen:
"Have you ever thought of taking up comedy?"

Yeah, and this could be his first joke:

"Some Jews don't believe God exists, but they do believe that God gave them the land."

Bet he has a good line in mother-in-law jokes too.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by The Fool
The list of claims you cannot find a single example of?(that I defend and support violence).

Mycroft has a reputation for making claims then running away from them. He seems to have difficulty with this sceptic stuff.