VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

bookitty said:
Well, if she's small and comforting, then what's all the hubbub, bub?
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I would say that her persona is troubled, immature, and more than a little disconnected from reality. Or, rather, I would say that Anita has no persona, because she has no skill in building one, and has been unable to hide those real aspects of her character.

The hubbub is a result of rational people colliding with her irrationality.

And where did anyone say that she is "always vindictive"? There is evidence that she can be vindictive, yes, and in more than one instance. But, "always vindictive"?
 
jhunter1163 said:
Nope. Not gonna say it. That way lies a yellow card. :boxedin:
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There's a commercial out now for one of the dating sites - eHarmony, match.com, I forget which one - and it shows clips of the same guy through a series of first dates. The first gal asks him if marrying her is something he would consider, the second gal goes into raptures about different kinds of cheese, and the third gal has nearly white blonde hair and says, "Let's talk about something else? How do you feel about magic?" First time I saw it, I couldn't help but think that the ad man stole Anita's act.

And now back to your regularly scheduled thread...:D
 
desertgal said:
I would say that her persona is troubled, immature, and more than a little disconnected from reality. Or, rather, I would say that Anita has no persona, because she has no skill in building one, and has been unable to hide those real aspects of her character.

The hubbub is a result of rational people colliding with her irrationality.

And where did anyone say that she is "always vindictive"? There is evidence that she can be vindictive, yes, and in more than one instance. But, "always vindictive"?
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Yeah, that was very incorrect phrasing. The "always" was misleading. I am very sorry about that.

You think the skeptics' hold the opinion they do because they find Anita's persona large and scary like you do? Wow.
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Are you kidding. I think she's a messed up kid who really needs to get her life together. Period.

I have no idea what you skeptics (and thanks for the implication that I do not number among them ;) ) think of her. Everything she does seems to be so fascinating. Just a few posts back, someone brought up some stupid thing she wrote on the internet in 2005. To me, that's bizarre. Yeah, she was even less mature when she was 21. How is this even a surprise?
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
As for tearing apart skeptical community--you've got to be kidding! I propose that the group name for any collection of skeptics (sort of like "a gaggle of geese" or "a murder of crows") is "argument". Argue, discuss, disagree and debate is what we do. (Look at the mini-controversy over Phil Plaitt's "Don't Be a Dick" speech--and most critics actually like him very much!)

And that's not a bad thing at all!
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An argument of skeptics. Awesome.
 
bookitty said:
Just a few posts back, someone brought up some stupid thing she wrote on the internet in 2005. To me, that's bizarre. Yeah, she was even less mature when she was 21. How is this even a surprise?
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Why is that bizarre when she still holds the belief?

I mean, if it had been something she wrote back in 2003 or 2005 or whenever, and she had since come out and said, "You know, I no longer believe that", then I get why you think quoting an old text of hers would be bizarre.

The post you are referring to had to do with Anita believing that she is an extraterrestrial reincarnation from a white dwarf star-and she still believes it. Hell, SHE is the one who initially brought it up HERE, apropos of absolutely nothing. It wasn't something that someone had dug up about her and posted. SHE introduced it.

Also, Anita has been very clear that she still believes in, and practices, breatharianism, which was at the root of the quoted text about Star People. She still believes that people do not need food or water to survive. She's regaled us all with that belief, within the last year.

This isn't a matter of someone being young and foolish and then growing out of it. She's still singing the same tunes.
 
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desertgal said:
Also, Anita has been very clear that she still believes in, and practices, breatharianism, which was at the root of the quoted text about Star People. She still believes that people do not need food or water to survive. She's regaled us all with that belief, within the last year.
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Heh heh.

I've been trying not to say anything, but for some reason the first thing I thought of when I read the bit I've quoted above was "I wonder if Annie was nattering on about breatharian nonsense and not needing to eat at the same time as tuckin' into a big steak or something when she went out for dinner with Mark Edward et al."

It's just the sort of doing-one-thing-while-saying-completely-the-opposite stuff that she specialises in and which antagonises everyone who's ever tried to help her get sorted out.


Anyway . . . back to your scheduled programme . . .
 
Dinner for Breatharians

On the fateful night a few of us went out to diiner with Anita, I forwarded the idea that when we got to the restaurant, I would tip the waiter ahead of time so that when he brought Anita's plate, it would be covered with a metal cover, which would be whisked away to show an empty plate, whereupoin the waiter would say , "Bon Apetit" or something equally as elegant. Everyone thought that would have been too mean. I wish I had not listened to them...
 
bookitty said:
Are you kidding. I think she's a messed up kid who really needs to get her life together. Period.
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Kid? She's 27. On what basis do you call her a kid?

Her life is "together" in that she's excelling in school, has a place to live, a boyfriend, and enough money and time to pursue her hobby. Why do you say that her life is not together? And what does having her life together have to do with her claims?

I have no idea what you skeptics (and thanks for the implication that I do not number among them ;) ) think of her. Everything she does seems to be so fascinating. Just a few posts back, someone brought up some stupid thing she wrote on the internet in 2005. To me, that's bizarre. Yeah, she was even less mature when she was 21. How is this even a surprise?
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Who said or even implied it was a surprise?

As for her maturity, how is that relevant to her claims? How do you measure her maturity?

As for the things she said in the past, you are omitting the fact that she still clings to those beliefs. She still claims she is an alien incarnation and has said flat out that she would not want to work for a company that had issues with that belief.

As for bringing up other things she has said, it's to provide background for those not familiar with her story. You see, she deliberately avoids discussing these things on her website. She presents herself as a science student undertaking an investigation with the assistance of skeptical groups. It's important for people to know that she has been publicly making all sorts of outrageous claims for nearly a decade.

Tell me, which do you think is a more fair representation?

1) I'm a 4.0 science student investigating the uncanny accuracy of medical perceptions. I have worked with several skeptical organizations and have yet to falsify my perceptions.

2) Ever since I was a child I have believed I was special. I believe I am alien incarnation and have had other past lives, both human and non-human. I believe people can live on air, and using my special abilities I have seen DNA and prana (that which gives life). This same ability allows me to see inside the human body, and I can prove it by detecting if a person is missing a kidney. I have repeatedly failed to demonstrate this ability, but I, as a science student, believe there is still something extraordinary there. I can also talk to ghosts, read minds, sense people at a distance, smell urine and stomach contents inside the body, detect cures for cancer just by looking at fruits and vegetables, and heal people of migraines by transmitting light into their brains using my special powers. Oh, I'm also immune to alcohol, but I get high by looking at pictures of drugs.
 
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UncaYimmy said:
Kid? She's 27. On what basis do you call her a kid?

Her life is "together" in that she's excelling in school, has a place to live, a boyfriend, and enough money and time to pursue her hobby. Why do you say that her life is not together? And what does having her life together have to do with her claims?


Who said or even implied it was a surprise?

As for her maturity, how is that relevant to her claims? How do you measure her maturity?

As for the things she said in the past, you are omitting the fact that she still clings to those beliefs. She still claims she is an alien incarnation and has said flat out that she would not want to work for a company that had issues with that belief.
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I see her as a kid because she's almost 20 years younger than I am and incredibly immature for her age. By "getting her life together" I mean "stop relying on fairy-tales to achieve success and self-confidence."

My assessment is that her maturity level is at the root of her need for attention and all this acting out. So it is relevant. Your mileage may vary.

I've talked to her about all these claims and I'm not sure what she believes. Sometimes it comes across as habit, sometimes like preaching, sometimes it sounds like code. As if she's trying to express something but doesn't have any honest words for it. To greatly over-simplify, if she says "I am from another planet." it sounds, in context, more like "I do not fit on this planet." Just another example of why I see her as just an immature girl who really needs to grow up.
 
I long ago stopped trying to convince her of anything. However, it seems others want to play this game with her even though she has turned numerous failures into successes. In the process she has remained a focus of attention, which is a shame.
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What ever happened to RoboSapien? He kept saying he wanted to help her change and he was going to still friend her and talk to her and on and on. I see he has disappeared? Do you all know something I don't know?
 
On the fateful night a few of us went out to diiner with Anita, I forwarded the idea that when we got to the restaurant, I would tip the waiter ahead of time so that when he brought Anita's plate, it would be covered with a metal cover, which would be whisked away to show an empty plate, whereupoin the waiter would say , "Bon Apetit" or something equally as elegant. Everyone thought that would have been too mean. I wish I had not listened to them...
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I'm glad that you didn't. Can you imagine her crying all over the place...boo woo at BoHo's.

Between tears...."Our Spencer....they are soooo mean to me.....MAAAARRRRKKKKKK....why don't you like me? Are you trying to say I shouldn't eat because I'm fat? Why don't you like me? I wanna be your friend....why are you teasing me.....I'm going to tell everyone your are sexually harassing me...you just keep making references to my body....you know you want me......."

Just want we needed to hear. Then again I would have it all caught on video. LOL
 
bookitty said:
I see her as a kid because she's almost 20 years younger than I am and incredibly immature for her age. By "getting her life together" I mean "stop relying on fairy-tales to achieve success and self-confidence."
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Well, she'll always be almost 20 years younger than you. Or 300 years older, depending on what you believe. As for this "immaturity" thing, that just seems like a vague comment with no real meaning. Perhaps you can elaborate on what constitutes maturity.

As for success, she has achieved success in school at least in part through hard work. Her woo beliefs are something she has tried to keep hidden from colleagues and even friends (some commented to me that they had no idea how deep the rabbit hole was). Therefore, I don't believe she's using her fairy tales to achieve success and self-confidence. On what basis are you making that claim?

My assessment is that her maturity level is at the root of her need for attention and all this acting out. So it is relevant. Your mileage may vary.
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In what way is it relevant? In other words, explain how you or anyone else should treat her differently based on her maturity level. Why does it matter why she says or does things? Sure, I'm curious about it, but what practical difference does it make?

I've talked to her about all these claims and I'm not sure what she believes. Sometimes it comes across as habit, sometimes like preaching, sometimes it sounds like code. As if she's trying to express something but doesn't have any honest words for it. To greatly over-simplify, if she says "I am from another planet." it sounds, in context, more like "I do not fit on this planet." Just another example of why I see her as just an immature girl who really needs to grow up.
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Well, she has said that she doesn't fit in on this planet, so I don't think it's code at all. Maybe when you explain your theory of maturity I can say for sure that I disagree that she's immature. She certainly behaves childishly at times, but so do many "mature" people I know. She believes some very unusual things, but so do many "mature" people I know. What I don't know are very many "mature" people who are capable of moving to a foreign country, paying $10,000 per semester for school, and maintaining a nearly 4.0 GPA.
 
UncaYimmy said:
Well, she'll always be almost 20 years younger than you. Or 300 years older, depending on what you believe. As for this "immaturity" thing, that just seems like a vague comment with no real meaning. Perhaps you can elaborate on what constitutes maturity.

As for success, she has achieved success in school at least in part through hard work. Her woo beliefs are something she has tried to keep hidden from colleagues and even friends (some commented to me that they had no idea how deep the rabbit hole was). Therefore, I don't believe she's using her fairy tales to achieve success and self-confidence. On what basis are you making that claim?


In what way is it relevant? In other words, explain how you or anyone else should treat her differently based on her maturity level. Why does it matter why she says or does things? Sure, I'm curious about it, but what practical difference does it make?


Well, she has said that she doesn't fit in on this planet, so I don't think it's code at all. Maybe when you explain your theory of maturity I can say for sure that I disagree that she's immature. She certainly behaves childishly at times, but so do many "mature" people I know. She believes some very unusual things, but so do many "mature" people I know. What I don't know are very many "mature" people who are capable of moving to a foreign country, paying $10,000 per semester for school, and maintaining a nearly 4.0 GPA.
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Oh this again. "Mature? What is this "mature" of which you speak?"
 
bookitty said:
Oh this again. "Mature? What is this "mature" of which you speak?"
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:D UncaYimmy asked you what you mean by immature, and instead of answering, you know, offering a helpful and meaningful response, you turned the question back around and asked him. :D
 
sgf8 said:
I'm glad that you didn't. Can you imagine her crying all over the place...boo woo at BoHo's.

Between tears...."Our Spencer....they are soooo mean to me.....MAAAARRRRKKKKKK....why don't you like me? Are you trying to say I shouldn't eat because I'm fat? Why don't you like me? I wanna be your friend....why are you teasing me.....I'm going to tell everyone your are sexually harassing me...you just keep making references to my body....you know you want me......."
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At which point, you could have just shoved a picture of a sedative within her line of sight. :D
 
GeeMack said:
:D UncaYimmy asked you what you mean by immature, and instead of answering, you know, offering a helpful and meaningful response, you turned the question back around and asked him. :D
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As I type this there are approximately 7 gazillion people being wrong on the internet. Any number of which would be thrilled to do the Bloody Keyboard Tango with UY. Alas, my dance card is full, I must decline.
 
bookitty said:
Oh this again. "Mature? What is this "mature" of which you speak?"
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You brought up the topic of maturity in regards to Anita. I asked you to explain your definition of maturity. I wrote "mature" in quotes while giving examples of people I consider "mature" who exhibit similar behaviors similar to Anita.

I also asked you several other questions in this thread:

1) In what way is it relevant? In other words, explain how you or anyone else should treat her differently based on her maturity level. Why does it matter why she says or does things? Sure, I'm curious about it, but what practical difference does it make?

2) I don't believe she's using her fairy tales to achieve success and self-confidence. On what basis are you making that claim?

3) Why do you say that her life is not together? And what does having her life together have to do with her claims?

4) Who said or even implied that it was a surprise that she said she was an alien?

5) How do you measure her maturity?

6) I made a lengthy post asking you to explain to whom you were comparing Anita and why you concluded she was just like them.

I think it's only courteous to answer the questions put to you when you make claims and assertions.
 
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