VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

Hooo boy....here we go again. According to her website, there's a third skeptical group that wants to test her. And get this, it's going to be a gender identification test. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I KNOW that was suggested here in the forum ages ago and she rejected it out of hand. Now I quote her website: "Why didn't I think of that?"

Ward
 
wardenclyffe said:
Hooo boy....here we go again. According to her website, there's a third skeptical group that wants to test her. And get this, it's going to be a gender identification test. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I KNOW that was suggested here in the forum ages ago and she rejected it out of hand. Now I quote her website: "Why didn't I think of that?"

Ward
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I'll bet you five dollars, after she fails, she'll suddenly think of identifying subjects who have had vasectomies. ;)
 


I bet 10 Arcturan Krezblits that it's kidneys in shoe boxes atomic stucture of ganja gasses in metal cylinders active ingredients in crushed pill samples.

Gosh! So many sooper powers, it's hard to pick just one.
 
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Such a shame the shoe test did not go ahead.
Then we would really know who has the sooper power.

ETA: If all else fails perhaps we could do hide the diaphragm?
 
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One thing (out of many) that I've never been able to fathom is why Ikonen refers to this alleged ability to detect missing kidneys (or whatever) as 'medical perceptions'.

Even if she'd passed every test so far attempted, it would in no way translate into any ability to detect 'health information'.
 
OK, I correctly deduced that her recent "demonstration" was to be held as part of the "Live Challenge Event." I'm now completely guessing that this new test will be conducted by Swedish skeptics at http://www.humanisterna.se

I don't know if she'd be going for their 100,000 Swedish Kroner prize (http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&Itemid=49) or if they'd just be testing her for the fun of it.

I'm basing this on the following information: I'm told that she traveled to Vegas from Sweden and not North Carolina. I have no idea if she's returning to school in North Carolina this autumn or ever. If she's in Sweden now, this would be the most likely group.

My second guess would be the Finnish skeptics here: http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/.

Finland is just a ferry-ride away and Ikonen's parents are Finnish, I think, and I'm pretty sure she speaks the language. But I'm guessing she's staying in Sweden for this test.

She's also said that if she ever has a compelling experience that turns out to be false, it would falsify her claim. I guess 80% is not compelling enough or we'd be finished already.

One can only hope in this new test that she will identify a man as having a uterus and that she's more than 80% sure he has a uterus. I can't wait to see her spin that. Of course, it's more likely that she will be less than 80% sure about anything so she can keep her "investigation" going.

Ward

P.S. Even if she is returning to North Carolina, there are no testing organizations that are particularly close to her. F.A.C.T. (http://www.meetup.com/f-a-c-t/) seems to have no desire to test her any further. Everything else is far away. The Swedish test would be cheap and easy. She's already dumped a bunch of money on her trip(s) to L.A. for the IIG test and meeting and she just flew from Sweden to L.V.. I can't believe she has an endless supply of money. I don't know where the money came from for those other trips in the first place, but I have my suspicions.
 
wardenclyffe said:
OK, I correctly deduced that her recent "demonstration" was to be held as part of the "Live Challenge Event." I'm now completely guessing that this new test will be conducted by Swedish skeptics at http://www.humanisterna.se

I don't know if she'd be going for their 100,000 Swedish Kroner prize (http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&Itemid=49) or if they'd just be testing her for the fun of it.

I'm basing this on the following information: I'm told that she traveled to Vegas from Sweden and not North Carolina. I have no idea if she's returning to school in North Carolina this autumn or ever. If she's in Sweden now, this would be the most likely group.

My second guess would be the Finnish skeptics here: http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/.

Finland is just a ferry-ride away and Ikonen's parents are Finnish, I think, and I'm pretty sure she speaks the language. But I'm guessing she's staying in Sweden for this test.

She's also said that if she ever has a compelling experience that turns out to be false, it would falsify her claim. I guess 80% is not compelling enough or we'd be finished already.

One can only hope in this new test that she will identify a man as having a uterus and that she's more than 80% sure he has a uterus. I can't wait to see her spin that. Of course, it's more likely that she will be less than 80% sure about anything so she can keep her "investigation" going.

Ward

P.S. Even if she is returning to North Carolina, there are no testing organizations that are particularly close to her. F.A.C.T. (http://www.meetup.com/f-a-c-t/) seems to have no desire to test her any further. Everything else is far away. The Swedish test would be cheap and easy. She's already dumped a bunch of money on her trip(s) to L.A. for the IIG test and meeting and she just flew from Sweden to L.V.. I can't believe she has an endless supply of money. I don't know where the money came from for those other trips in the first place, but I have my suspicions.
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On the uterus test: let's say she sees that Number 3 has a uterus on the right side...er...no, how about in the lower abdominal area, and Number 3 turns out to be unequivocally male. Okay, it seems as if her claim has been falsified, but no, Number 4 has a uterus, and it's in the lower abdominal area as predicted! She was close, right? I mean Number 3 was uterus-adjacent. That counts, right?
 
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On the uterus test: let's say she sees that Number 3 has a uterus on the right side...er...no, how about in the lower abdominal area, and Number 3 turns out to be unequivocally male. Okay, it seems as if her claim has been falsified, but no, Number 4 has a uterus, and it's in the lower abdominal area as predicted! She was close, right? I mean Number 3 was uterus-adjacent. That counts, right?
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It's like the IIG test vs the TAM8 demonstration. In trial #3 of the IIG test she guessed the wrong kidney. She was only one away. The missing kidney was right next door in the same person. In the TAM8 demo, once again she guessed the wrong kidney. She was one away. The missing kidney was right next door in the next person over. She was just as right both times.

I say, "bring it on." Ikonen is like the Washington Generals to the skeptics Harlem Globetrotters. She wants publicity. She can get it as a laughing stock.

Ward
 
wardenclyffe said:
OK, I correctly deduced that her recent "demonstration" was to be held as part of the "Live Challenge Event." I'm now completely guessing that this new test will be conducted by Swedish skeptics at http://www.humanisterna.se

I don't know if she'd be going for their 100,000 Swedish Kroner prize (http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&Itemid=49) or if they'd just be testing her for the fun of it.
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I wouldn't begin to analyse the Swedish sense of humour based on my experience with ol' x-ray eyes, but I kind of doubt they'd involve themselves in this nonsense just for the lulz. That's more a Las Vegas/Hollywood thing.

If they're going to put all those kroner on the line I'd say they'll never get to the testing stage because any protocol they deem acceptable will be rejected by Ikonen due to its requirement that she actually demonstrate something.


wardenclyffe said:
I'm basing this on the following information: I'm told that she traveled to Vegas from Sweden and not North Carolina. I have no idea if she's returning to school in North Carolina this autumn or ever. If she's in Sweden now, this would be the most likely group.
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She sure does get around some for a humble student, doesn't she? Which leads us to recall that she's in the United States on a student visa, so not returning to UNCC in the Autumn might not be an option for her if she wishes to return at all.

I wonder if she has a contingency plan to get around that little problem.


wardenclyffe said:
My second guess would be the Finnish skeptics here: http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/.

Finland is just a ferry-ride away and Ikonen's parents are Finnish, I think, and I'm pretty sure she speaks the language. But I'm guessing she's staying in Sweden for this test.
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Dög Knöes.


wardenclyffe said:
She's also said that if she ever has a compelling experience that turns out to be false, it would falsify her claim. I guess 80% is not compelling enough or we'd be finished already.

One can only hope in this new test that she will identify a man as having a uterus and that she's more than 80% sure he has a uterus. I can't wait to see her spin that. Of course, it's more likely that she will be less than 80% sure about anything so she can keep her "investigation" going.

Ward
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I think we can look forward to a lot more of this level of confidence (LOC) rubbish. She'll continue to spin this ridiculous claim out forever by simply retro-fitting all errors with a reduced LOC which means, in Arcturan, "that the claim is not falsified and thus cannot be concluded on which compels me to further investigation".


wardenclyffe said:
P.S. Even if she is returning to North Carolina, there are no testing organizations that are particularly close to her. F.A.C.T. (http://www.meetup.com/f-a-c-t/) seems to have no desire to test her any further. Everything else is far away. The Swedish test would be cheap and easy. She's already dumped a bunch of money on her trip(s) to L.A. for the IIG test and meeting and she just flew from Sweden to L.V.. I can't believe she has an endless supply of money. I don't know where the money came from for those other trips in the first place, but I have my suspicions.
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Yeah, its becoming painfully obvious that funding for this jet-setting about the place is beyond the resources one would expect to be available to a struggling foreign student who was at one stage unable to buy a packet of Aspirin, or pay her membership dues for her beloved IIG.
 
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She's also said that if she ever has a compelling experience that turns out to be false, it would falsify her claim. I guess 80% is not compelling enough or we'd be finished already.

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According to the recent update she wrote on her website, Anita found something in her notes from the demo that made her realize she was "accurate" after all.

No surprise there. :rolleyes:

She acknowledges the fact that she did not pick the target person-the correct person was #2, who was missing a right kidney. From reviewing her notes afterwards, Anita claims that she *did not* "see" person #2's right kidney at all during the demonstation. So in her mind, since she did not "see" it, her perception was accurate and her claim is still not falsified.

:boggled:

I must have read what she wrote about 3 times and I still cannot find the logic on how this conclusion trumps her 80% accuracy prediction.
 
Dmarie said:
I must have read what she wrote about 3 times and I still cannot find the logic on how this conclusion trumps her 80% accuracy prediction.
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I would guess that her logic is that it is the other 20% that she left herself for hedge room.
 
wardenclyffe said:
Hooo boy....here we go again. According to her website, there's a third skeptical group that wants to test her. And get this, it's going to be a gender identification test. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I KNOW that was suggested here in the forum ages ago and she rejected it out of hand. Now I quote her website: "Why didn't I think of that?"

Ward
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:eye-poppi

Could someone please, PLEASE explain this to me?? How can anybody be tested with a gender ID test? I've known some good drag queens, but this is ridiculous. I can only think of one person who would make a reasonable test subject, and that was Isis King on Season 11 of America's Next Top Model. S/he has much bigger fish to fry.
 
Dmarie said:
According to the recent update she wrote on her website, Anita found something in her notes from the demo that made her realize she was "accurate" after all.

No surprise there. :rolleyes:

She acknowledges the fact that she did not pick the target person-the correct person was #2, who was missing a right kidney. From reviewing her notes afterwards, Anita claims that she *did not* "see" person #2's right kidney at all during the demonstation. So in her mind, since she did not "see" it, her perception was accurate and her claim is still not falsified.

:boggled:

I must have read what she wrote about 3 times and I still cannot find the logic on how this conclusion trumps her 80% accuracy prediction.
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Just to add a little detail for the viewers . . .


Akhenaten said:
Why I Didn't Fail - Part 1


Vision from Failing said:

The notes

I brought a notebook with me for the demonstration and prepared one page for each of the five persons onto which to take notes of my perceptions.

I numbered each of the five pages with 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th respectively, in their upper left margins, to correspond to each person. Each page got two columns similarly, one titled Left, the other next to it titled Right.

Each time when I perceived the presence of a kidney, I would put an x in the left or right column. Several x's would collect, when I was perceiving a kidney repeatedly and consistently.

Here are the notes, best as I can remember them. The actual notes are now with Banachek, I think he wanted to add them into the JREF library. Copies will be provided to verify the below table:



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It gets worse.
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There's more stuff in this thread.
 
Maia said:
:eye-poppi

Could someone please, PLEASE explain this to me?? How can anybody be tested with a gender ID test? I've known some good drag queens, but this is ridiculous. I can only think of one person who would make a reasonable test subject, and that was Isis King on Season 11 of America's Next Top Model. S/he has much bigger fish to fry.
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I'm assuming that the testing skeptical organization that she's talking about is legit. She's already talked about wanting to use screens that would block her view except for the subjects' clothed lower backs. I can see a protocol in which the subjects all sit under sheets that have holes cut in them to expose the lower back. If each subject wore a wide-brimmed hat under the sheet, it should disguise the general body shape fairly well. Just spitballin'.

Ward
 
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Roxanne?

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You know, what I really like about that photo is the fact that the guy in the background to herhis left is wearing the exact same color shirt as the dress.

Still, I think that Isis really would present a challenge:





 
Lucian said:
Okay, I'm seeing a uterus under the sash, above the testicles. How'd I do?
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At least as well as Arcturus Annie.


Maia said:
You know, what I really like about that photo is the fact that the guy in the background to herhis left is wearing the exact same color shirt as the dress.
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The picture was taken in Sydney. It's that kind of place.

:boxedin:


Maia said:
Still, I think that Isis really would present a challenge:



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Well I've certainly been fooled by much less-convincing . . . Gosh, I believe you're right.
 
wardenclyffe said:
Hooo boy....here we go again. According to her website, there's a third skeptical group that wants to test her. And get this, it's going to be a gender identification test. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I KNOW that was suggested here in the forum ages ago and she rejected it out of hand. Now I quote her website: "Why didn't I think of that?"

Ward
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At this point in Anita's circus act, any real skeptic organization would need to have a real good reason as to why they continue to test someone who has failed 100% of previous tests. I cannot think of what any GOOD justification would be for doing this. Although Anita has a 100% failure rate, eventually shes going to guess right. Its only a matter of time. And once she does, we will never hear the end of it. She will use all of this flirting with skepticism to improve her woo credentials, and once she does finally get a good guess all of her previous failures will be forgotten and swept under the rug by Anita.

Its time to stop the show now before she starts guessing right, at which point the skeptic community will have given her everything she needs to launch to stardom in the woo community. There is simply no objective reason to continue to test someone who has otherwise failed every test, both the good ones (IIG) and the "that was a bad idea but at least she still guessed wrong" types (ala TAM 8).

To be honest though, I can't wait for how she spins the failure of a gender ID test. I can see it now "No! Although he looks like a man, has the physique of a man, etc. I absolutely saw a uterus! How do we know he has a penis?" This test/travesty should be the best yet.
 
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