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February 26 I attended the meeting with the local skeptics group. I asked and got a specific answer, that the FACT Skeptics will not be participating in a study with me. The purpose of a study would be for me to gain more experience with the medical perceptions and to form a more specific paranormal claim from which a paranormal test can be designed. The study itself is not a test and does not take place under all required test conditions so some cold reading is still enabled whether I use it or not. The study will add one test condition at a time toward proper test procedures, as I am taking a gradual approach in taking my claimed ability from its everyday experience to test conditions.


An approach so gradual it would be more accurate for you to call it non-existent! :)

Since this first study is not a test, and it does not use a specific point-scale system, and it has not been determined what specific score would constitute a falsified claim, the FACT Skeptics are reluctant to participate, fearing that if I seem successful in the study I could claim to have had a "test" with the FACT Skeptics and passed.


So you've designed a study/test so poorly that nobody is willing to work with you to implement it. Why, Anita, do you suppose that doesn't surprise anyone?

Even though I would never do such a thing [...]


Because after all, you have consistently demonstrated that you are the pinnacle of honesty and integrity... NOT.

[...] and have myself consistently stated that the study can only provide evidence against the claim, and not in support of the claim.


But since you've also shown clearly that you don't have the slightest idea what makes a good or bad study/test, from a scientific perspective, your opinion on the matter is worthless.

Anyhow, I am now focusing on finding university students to participate in the study. I am currently still (very) busy with school but next week is Spring break and I can make arrangements then.


Yeah, yeah. Wash, rinse, repeat.

*In the reading with one of the FACT Skeptics as the volunteer who I read, I did not state that I had "passed" some "test". What I said was that I had not made incorrect medical perceptions and that I had once again failed to falsify the paranormal claim.
*Regarding the "slightly tired left shoulder" and "something in the front of the throat" those were the only things that I felt in the person at all. I was expecting there to be a list of health problems and found none and was working hard to find anything so I wrote down those two things in my notes. When I concluded the reading with the person I said that I found nothing wrong, that all I had felt was a slightly tired left shoulder and his adam's apple and that both were to a very insignificant extent and that neither were health problems. They were not claims of perceived medical problems. I made no incorrect perceptions.


But regardless of your continued insistence to the contrary, you were wrong in your assessment of the subject, and wrong in your analysis of the assessment. As has been pointed out a multitude of times in this thread, your particular claim of having no incorrect perceptions has always been, and will continue to be a lie.
 
I just obtained permission to conduct the study on the sidewalk in the city of Winston Salem, North Carolina. I contacted the city of Winston Salem and presented myself as a university student conducting an independent study into what health problems can be identified by looking at a person and by external symptoms. I described how the study will take place, that the public will be asked to volunteer, volunteers will fill in an anonymous health questionnaire based on what health problems they have. That there would be no health problems of a personal nature listed on the questionnaires and that their participation would remain anonymous since we do not ask for their name or other identifying information. Myself and two others will then spend up to ten minutes or less looking at the volunteer and filling in our own health questionnaires based on what health problems we think we can identify. The questionnaires will then be matched after the study based on identification numbers printed on the top margins of the questionnaires. And I said that there is no money involved.

The event I want to do falls outside any events that would require a special permit since it does not involve sales of a product, or preaching or passing out information. I was told that what I want to do requires no special permit. We are not allowed to set up tables or chairs, and a sign may not be posted. To have clipboards and to approach the public with a survey and with questionnaires is perfectly permissible. We even have permission to conduct a second study on another day and another location if the first day is slow and is not very productive.

It was very straightforward. I just called and had the answer within a few hours. The biggest obstacle has now been solved, and I seriously expect to have the study very, very soon. Next week is Spring break so I will definitely have the time. I did insist on checking with the city about a permit just in case, even if it delayed things, so please don't criticize me for doing that.
 
That was never an obstacle, you just made it one. I do criticize you for doing something completely unnecessary. Oh heck, why am I bothering? You see what you want to see. The wheels on the bus.
 
I am not going to go out and do something that I do not know whether it is permissible or not. Making sure that I can do the study is better than taking your word for it and then getting in trouble. Better safe and with impatient skeptics, than sorry and with happy skeptics.
 
Go round and round.

PS: All this for something which isn't even a test. Heh. As I said, you're really something Anita. :)
 
I am not going to go out and do something that I do not know whether it is permissible or not. Making sure that I can do the study is better than taking your word for it and then getting in trouble. Better safe and with impatient skeptics, than sorry and with happy skeptics.
Any chance of you describing your study protocol, that you are holding next week, in 2 (short) paragraphs or less?

Such as:
Who questions the volunteers?
How are you separated from the volunteers during the process?
Seems to me you will need about 6 other people for this to work.
Who are your assistants and what do they know of the purpose of the study?
 
The "study" protocol is irrelevant. If this useless study even happens, she will change it as and when she pleases. All par for the course by this point. Let's also note that in attending the skeptics meeting, Anita once again did not merely point out what she claims she sees, thereby proving to an important number of people that there may be something to her wild claims.

The ferjicity is indeed very, very, very strong in this one.
 
How can you say that about a study performed by a scientist science student?
I think Anita has merely gotten good at memorizing things. Clearly there is no analysis involved in her studies. Plus, when she's not on course to get an A, she just drops out it seems; then it's technically not failing.
 
I think Anita has merely gotten good at memorizing things.
From her accounts and those of others she has met and posted here, it is clear that she is not good at remembering things.
Clearly there is no analysis involved in her studies. Plus, when she's not on course to get an A, she just drops out it seems; then it's technically not failing.
 
EHocking:
EHocking said:
Any chance of you describing your study protocol, that you are holding next week, in 2 (short) paragraphs or less?
Please see www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html with links to plenty of drafts of the study procedure. But here it is:

Claimant: me
Participant: persons who assist me in the practical assignments of the study
Volunteer: person from the public who fills in the questionnaire and is seen by the claimant and one or two participants​

The study will require two separate locations that are out of sight and sound of each other. Volunteers will begin at the first location, where one participant is stationed and hands them the health questionnaire to be filled in. The questionnaire also comes with an information page that describes the study, what is involved in volunteering, and how to fill in the questionnaire. The participant is also available to discuss the study with the volunteer and also to answer any questions that the volunteers might have. The participant holds on to the filled in volunteer's health questionnaires.

Once the volunteer has finished with the questionnaire and handed it in, a second participant takes the volunteer to the second location. Once the volunteer is seated and settled in, the claimant and one or two additional participants will spend up to ten or fifteen minutes to look at the volunteer and fill in our own health questionnaires based on our impressions of the health of the person. The volunteer may of course leave early if they wish. The reason I propose that the volunteers be taken to a second location is because many volunteers might gather at the first location and should not be seen early by the claimant or the one or two participants.

There is no speaking or other interaction between the claimant and the one or two participants and with the volunteer. The volunteer will be seen from the back and no eyecontact is possible. The health questionnaires of the claimant and one or two participants who also do the viewing are then handed in preferrably to an additional participant who is stationed at this second location.

So the study would hope to involve five participants but can do with fewer. At the end of the study, health questionnaires pertaining to one particular volunteer are matched based on the identification numbers printed on their top margins and the correlation is determined by the participants though the claimant has the right to be present. The volunteers remain entirely anonymous with regard to their identity. I am even considering having the identification numbers concealed during the study with respect to the privacy of the volunteers so that "no one can remember the ID number and what person it pertained to".

The one or two participants who also see the volunteers act as controls and are encouraged to try any trick that they can think of to acchieve a higher correlation. They can try any method of guessing or any method of cheating that they can get away with, because, we want to know if I am doing such things and whether my correlation would be higher.

The study is not a test. If it were intended as a test there would be plenty of issues with its quality. But it serves the purpose of a study very well. I will gain additional experience with the claimed medical perceptions, get to find out what ailments I am better at identifying than others and hopefully good ones could be selected for a test. How many times when a particular ailment occurs do I detect it and at what percentage do I not detect it, so that we know at least how many subjects with such a particular ailment would be required for a real test. And we can get something of an estimate as to whether my correlation seems to be higher than that acchieved by the one or two participants. Is my correlation (ie. accuracy) high enough to be interesting for further investigation? These are just some of the valuable things I'd hope to learn from taking the study.

The study is not very quantitative, there is no specific point-scale system. It will produce rough estimates, but from that I will then design an improved 2nd study which builds on what was learned from the 1st one and is closer to what an actual test would be like. Provided that the claimed ability is not falsified under this first study. There is no specific point-scale system that would determine a falsified claim and a non-ability might pass through to a second study, but would be caught eventually.

I do believe that this study is an appropriate step toward a real test and toward a real conclusion in this investigation. I know that some of you won't think so. :) But I'm working on it. :p
 
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I'm confused. Since when did we establish that you can identify any health information? :)
 
EHocking:
EHocking said:
Such as:
Who questions the volunteers?
How are you separated from the volunteers during the process?
Seems to me you will need about 6 other people for this to work.
Who are your assistants and what do they know of the purpose of the study?
The volunteers fill in a health questionnaire on their own and their answers should not be known by any of the participants or the claimant as their health questionnaire is handed in and put aside until after the study is completed. Their answers should remain anonymous.

I will be nearby a second location. The volunteer fills in the questionnaire at the first location and is then taken to the second location and I do not see the volunteer until they are seated and settled which is when I and the one or two participants who will attempt to do what I do arrive at the second location. So, we are physically separated by being in separate locations.

I need a minimum of two participants, one to assist the volunteers in filling out the questionnaires and one to fill in health questionnaires alongside me so that we have a control to compare my correlation with.

I am working on finding participants for the study. I might engage university students. (Ones who I do not know prior.) If they are university students I might not need to mention anything about a paranormal investigation, since after all at this point nothing paranormal has been established. For all we know it is a study in detection of health problems based on external symptoms. And even if it were the case of extrasensory perception, such does not need to be described as paranormal.
 
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I'm confused. Since when did we establish that you can identify any health information? :)
I've experienced plenty of interesting and compelling accurate medical perceptions, but even I don't take that as proof of anything. All it does is make me have this investigation. I haven't had properly documented cases yet so we haven't established that I have such an ability yet. We'll see what the study finds out and go from there.
 
1. Look! There's a leprechaun. Wow. Let's study its properties.
2. Hm, I wonder if leprechauns are real. That would be cool. Let's find out all we can about leprechauns!

Anita, you're number 2.
 
skeen:
1. Look! There's a leprechaun. Wow. Let's study its properties.
2. Hm, I wonder if leprechauns are real. That would be cool. Let's find out all we can about leprechauns!

Anita, you're number 2.
I think you meant to say that I am number 1.

My paranormal claim is not to detect things that have not been verified to exist at all. I claim to detect real and existing health problems that have been medically and scientifically documented, and in cases where they should not be detectable by others just by looking at a person.
 
Why do you even defend yourself? You have proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that you throw rational thinking, and just plain common sense out of the window at will. Nobody believes you, and you've wasted ridiculous amounts of time.

What is nonexistent is your ability. It exists only within your own mind. You are attempting to study something that has not been established to exist at all. I have to wonder why you're even pretending (to yourself, because it's so obvious to everyone else) to take a scientific approach, when you have no scientific explanation (no matter how nonsensical, and woo-like) for your other wacky claims, such as ghosts and what have you.

Oh, I'm just entertaining myself now. This whole song and dance has been done copious amounts of time before.
 
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