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Of course there is nothing report. It's merely a sure-fire way to prove once and for all that she has any abilities. Why would there be?
 
February 26 I attended the meeting with the local skeptics group. I asked and got a specific answer, that the FACT Skeptics will not be participating in a study with me. The purpose of a study would be for me to gain more experience with the medical perceptions and to form a more specific paranormal claim from which a paranormal test can be designed. The study itself is not a test and does not take place under all required test conditions so some cold reading is still enabled whether I use it or not. The study will add one test condition at a time toward proper test procedures, as I am taking a gradual approach in taking my claimed ability from its everyday experience to test conditions.

Since this first study is not a test, and it does not use a specific point-scale system, and it has not been determined what specific score would constitute a falsified claim, the FACT Skeptics are reluctant to participate, fearing that if I seem successful in the study I could claim to have had a "test" with the FACT Skeptics and passed. Even though I would never do such a thing and have myself consistently stated that the study can only provide evidence against the claim, and not in support of the claim. Anyhow, I am now focusing on finding university students to participate in the study. I am currently still (very) busy with school but next week is Spring break and I can make arrangements then.

*In the reading with one of the FACT Skeptics as the volunteer who I read, I did not state that I had "passed" some "test". What I said was that I had not made incorrect medical perceptions and that I had once again failed to falsify the paranormal claim.
*Regarding the "slightly tired left shoulder" and "something in the front of the throat" those were the only things that I felt in the person at all. I was expecting there to be a list of health problems and found none and was working hard to find anything so I wrote down those two things in my notes. When I concluded the reading with the person I said that I found nothing wrong, that all I had felt was a slightly tired left shoulder and his adam's apple and that both were to a very insignificant extent and that neither were health problems. They were not claims of perceived medical problems. I made no incorrect perceptions.
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
February 26 I attended the meeting with the local skeptics group. I asked and got a specific answer, that the FACT Skeptics will not be participating in a study with me.
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I thought we all knew that already? :confused:

The purpose of a study would be for me to gain more experience with the medical perceptions and to form a more specific paranormal claim from which a paranormal test can be designed.
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Not as currently designed it isn't.

The study itself is not a test and does not take place under all required test conditions so some cold reading is still enabled whether I use it or not.
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We have seen no evidence of even Cold Reading.
We have seen evidence of you simply getting things wrong and pretending they were somehow correct or at least not wrong. That's not even Cold Reading.

Cold Reading by now would have yielded better results than the absolute zero that you are currently at.

The study will add one test condition at a time toward proper test procedures, as I am taking a gradual approach in taking my claimed ability from its everyday experience to test conditions.
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Well you have certainly spent a good amount of time at the No test conditions stage, so we eagerly await you adding anything at all to the test conditions. Like an actual test of some sort. Ever.

Although we don't believe you ever will, and look how right we are turning out to be.

All these words, still no action. Are we psychic?

Since this first study is not a test, and it does not use a specific point-scale system, and it has not been determined what specific score would constitute a falsified claim,
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then it is pointless. And isn't looking like it will even happen anyway.
Let's face it you still haven't even described your Mall survey from two months ago!

the FACT Skeptics are reluctant to participate, fearing that if I seem successful in the study I could claim to have had a "test" with the FACT Skeptics and passed.
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I wonder why they would be concerned about that from you who has always represented her results so genuinely in the past?

Even though I would never do such a thing
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Except when you have in this very thread.

and have myself consistently stated that the study can only provide evidence against the claim, and not in support of the claim.
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Despite the fact you have specifically refused to generate a falsification scenario, have studiously ignored a suggested falsification scenario and subsequently suggested that falsification as a proposed goal of the study be removed.

Do you even remember your own posts on this thread anymore?

Let us remind you what you wrote to the FACT Skeptics:
If it bothers you that there is not a specific point at which the claim would be falsified you may then assume that falsification of a non-ability is not among the objectives of this study.
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So it CANNOT provide evidence against the claim as you yourself have specifically removed that objective of the study.

Anyhow, I am now focusing on finding university students to participate in the study. I am currently still (very) busy with school
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Is it still exam week/month/decade?

but next week is Spring break and I can make arrangements then.
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And then you'll complain you have to delay because there are no other students around...

You can't help yourself can you. You are aware that you are not doing anything whatsoever towards this claim but you still feel somehow compelled to post. Why? Why not simply not post here any more until you actually have something you have done to report on?
It's getting really boring hearing "I'm so busy... Next week I'lll... I should have something soon... I'm working on... I'm in contact with... I've got a new study proposed..."
You are not doing anything. You are just typing words.
Wasting time you could be using to actually do something towards your 'study' (or doing all the things I suggest below). You know, since you are so busy and everything.

*In the reading with one of the FACT Skeptics as the volunteer who I read, I did not state that I had "passed" some "test". What I said was that I had not made incorrect medical perceptions and that I had once again failed to falsify the paranormal claim.
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It was not 'once again' as it has never actually happened. You have never tested the 'ability' at all (except for the one time with Wayne where your 2 sole positive readings were wrong).
And you never have a falsification protocol so you can never falsify your claim. Even when it is clear to everyone you get something wrong.

*Regarding the "slightly tired left shoulder" and "something in the front of the throat" those were the only things that I felt in the person at all. I was expecting there to be a list of health problems and found none and was working hard to find anything so I wrote down those two things in my notes. When I concluded the reading with the person I said that I found nothing wrong, that all I had felt was a slightly tired left shoulder and his adam's apple and that both were to a very insignificant extent and that neither were health problems. They were not claims of perceived medical problems. I made no incorrect perceptions.
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He didn't have a tired left shoulder, so you were wrong.
You reported the "tired left shoulder" so it was significant enough to mention.
You did not write that you sensed an "adam's apple" so that is a lie. You wrote that you sensed throat discomfort. Which was wrong.
Every man has an adam's apple so your claim to have detected something that every healthy man is known to have, is stupid and demonstrates how blatantly you refuse to accept being wrong. This also shows how little point there is for anyone to even attempt to try and work wih you in developing a test protocol. There are of course loads of other reasons too.
I am happy to copy and paste that as many times as you are prepared to lie about the results of that incident.

One single reading so far in front of skeptics, two clear incorrect results.

Oh dear. Her continuing lies about this are doing her more harm than anything else. The tiniest shred of honesty would have given her a scrap of credibility i.e. admitting that her abilty might not be 100% after all but she still felt it was strong.
But no, Anita has to be perfect (the 4.0 average story was very interesting) and anything less than that has to be discarded. No matter how ludicrosly.
Remeber, it's only cut and paste for me so is there any point in continuing to attempt to rewrite the history that anyone can see is untrue, even on your own website?
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This is so easy, I can even add in my extra comments in each time I am forced to repaste these comments in response to another utterly untrue post by you.


Again let us not forget what else you are ignoring, all the things that are easy and quick to do, and which someone genuine in their aim to test an ability actually would do:
  • Detail what happened in the Study on January 3rd (I think "eventually" has officially passed now) - A brief description of this would take less time than all the other meaningless posts you add
  • Fax the notes of said study to the contact details Unca Yimmy provided some time ago - This would take very little time and yet you still have not done this and not even referred to it
  • Run a test on identifying crystals (as you claimed you could do to an amazing degree) - Again you have ignored this completely although you said you would do this
  • Provide the results of your analysis of Pup's pill experiment (even if the result are that you simply couldn't detect anything) - A brief description would take far less time than all the other meaningless posts you add
  • Detail what exactly you wrote down regarding Wayne (providing a scan of your notes would be even better) - You have ignored this completely - It doesn't bode well for any future 'testing'
We are not impatient - quite the opposite. We are bored with your same old routine. You have run out of excuses. You have run out of delaying tactics. You have run out of exams to blame, skeptic groups to blame, public organisations to blame... you have had huge amounts of assistance in setting up tests/actually being provided with tests. You have ignored it all.

In the absence of any actual real activity from you toward your claim, this whole subject now is just boring repetition of empty promises from you.

There's only so many times you can make excuses and promise to hand in your homework 'soon', before you are simply marked an 'F' for failing to have done it.
 
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So are you saying that he did have a tried left shoulder and discomfort in his adams apple? Or are you saying that being wrong about this doesn't count as being wrong because those predictions were excluded from the reading for some reason that didn't exclude you from saying them or wroting them down.

Unfortunate that you missed the signs of the major operation. Doesn't bode well for the senstitivity of your diagnoses. Makes it much harder to test such a claim.

Do yo wonder why FACT skeptics are steering clear of an association with you given the spin you've placed on this one reading.

Do you think that if you'd have been more straight up about that reading they'd have been more willing to work with you?
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Was the thread about to drop off the bottom of the page again?
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Yes.

But Anita suddenly felt it vital to update us that:
  • A study that we didn't think was going ahead because we had already been told it wasn't going ahead... er... wasn't going ahead.
  • that a study that she was planning to do with her fellow students... is still something she is planning to do
  • That the delay was due to how busy she is at University... which she still is
  • And that she still feels she didn't get anything wrong in a study she did a couple of months ago... in which, as we all know from her own descriptions of the event, she got a couple of things wrong
It was a very important and necessary update.
 
I'm actually surprised by how little ability Anita has. At least the other woo's see the importance in presenting something, in proving something, at least to some degree, to some level.
 
To be fair, I actually bumped the thread at the bottom of the last page. I was asking if there was anything to report from her meeting with the skeptics group. She responded (in her way) with a "no." I can't fault her for responding to my bump.

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VisionFromFeeling said:
have myself consistently stated that the study can only provide evidence against the claim, and not in support of the claim.
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Unfortunately, you still don't seem to understand how science works. When a scientist forms a theory, she does her best to disprove that theory. There's no point in trying to "learn more" about it when in fact it may not be valid in the first place. Each failed attempt at falsifying the theory makes us more confident that it is valid. I've explained this all to you several times before. If FACT participates in something that doesn't disprove the theory, they have in effect bolstered the theory. That's the way science works.

What you want to do is childish. How many people do you need to tell you that you are doing it all wrong before you acknowledge that you may be doing it wrong? The IIG, JREF, and FACT, groups collectively having centuries of experience, are telling you, someone with no experience, how to proceed. How arrogant of you to seek this advice and ignore it.

You have a theory, which is that in your informal readings you have never been wrong. Since we cannot reconstruct past readings, you need to test this theory by making new formal readings. It's really that simple.
 
  • Detail what happened in the Study on January 3rd
  • Fax the notes of said study to the contact details Unca Yimmy provided some time ago
  • Run a test on identifying crystals (as you claimed you could do to an amazing degree)
  • Provide the results of your analysis of Pup's pill experiment (even if the result are that you simply couldn't detect anything)
  • Detail what exactly you wrote down regarding Wayne (providing a scan of your notes would be even better)
 
I think the AutoResponse GeneratorTM should be able to deal with Anita's posts from hereonin.


1. The 'Mañana' Post aka Tomorrow I love Ya, You're always a day away
Anita: I am going to... I am planning... I intend to... etc.
AutoResponse #1: Please do not post further until you have actually carried out the proposed action

2. The Perfect Past Evidence
Anita: I have done readings... I have identified crystals... I have identified chemicals... never wrong...
AutoResponse #2: Please do not post unwitnessed, unverified events unless you can replicate them as described in front of witnesses. See AutoResponse #1

3. The Defiant Mantra
Anita: I was not incorrect about Wayne... shoulder... throat... bony... etc.
AutoResponse #3: Please do not post information that contradicts information you have previously posted

4. The Defensive Attack
Anita: It's not me it's you... I can't do anything right... You're all impatient...
AutoResponse #4: Please focus on demonstrating an actual ability by carrying out testing. See AutoResponse #1

5. The Hectic Lifestyle
Anita: I am too busy because of exams... University... ghosthunting... writing long posts explaining why I am busy... updating my website to describe studies that don't happen... etc.
AutoResponse #5: Please carry out proposed short activitites detailed in this post. Then see AutoResponse #1 then AutoResponse #4.

6. The Casual Reference
Anita: This ability is nothing special... My friends family don't think it's unusual... I've always been able to do this
AutoResponse #6: Please describe a specific ability you claim to be able to do and in what circumstances. Then see AutoResponse #4
 
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