Vision From Feeling

[VisionFromFeeling]

Oh, you guys are just impatient, that's all. I am still working on my investigation, but school comes first. I have so far not produced a single verified incorrect medical perception, and the claim has not been falsified. I don't see why some of you argue otherwise. I do realize the lack of documented and witnessed examples of my ability, but that is because it is hard to arrange for such tests. And this is still exams week, so it will be a few days until I can continue with the arrangements of the study.

I am not trying to be special, I am simply describing my experience as it is. I get all the sense of fulfillment I need from the people in my life and my education and science career.

 

[skeen]

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[desertgal]

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She's like the adult voices in the Peanuts cartoons..."Blah blah BLAH blah blah blah BLAH..."

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Oh, you guys are just impatient, that's all. I am still working on my investigation, but school comes first. I have so far not produced a single verified incorrect medical perception, and the claim has not been falsified Because I will not participate in a test where my abilities can be accurately measured. I don't see why some of you argue otherwise. I do realize the lack of documented and witnessed examples of my ability, but that is because it is hard to arrange for such tests because my tests need to be designed so I always win. And this is still exams week, so it will be a few days until I can continue with the arrangements of the study.

I am not trying to be special, I am simply describing my experience as it is. I get all the sense of fulfillment I need from the people in my life and my education and science career.

There, I fixed it for you

 

[desertgal]

There, I fixed it for you

You forgot:

Oh, you guys are just impatient bored senseless with my obfuscations, dodging, excuses, falsehoods, and half truths, that's all. I am still working on my investigation comic fodder, but school comes first. I have so far not produced a single verified incorrect medical perception, and the claim has not been falsified.Because I will not participate in a test where my abilities can be accurately measured. I don't see why some of you argue otherwise. I do realize the lack of documented and witnessed examples of my ability, but that is because it is hard much easier not to arrange for such tests, because my tests need to be designed so I always win. And this is still exams week, so it will be a few days months, years until I can continue with the arrangements of the study.

I am not trying to be special, I am simply describing my imaginary experience as it is so I can con people with it. I don't get all the sense of fulfillment I need from the people in my life and my education and science career.

 

[GeeMack]

Oh, you guys are just impatient, that's all. I am still working on my investigation [...]

No, you're not.

I have so far not produced a single verified incorrect medical perception [...]

Yes, you have.

[...] and the claim has not been falsified.

You haven't even remotely demonstrated that any extra-sensory ability exists.

I don't see why some of you argue otherwise.

Anita, all of us, in fact everyone who has taken a position on the issue at all has argued otherwise. Because you're simply wrong.

I do realize the lack of documented and witnessed examples of my ability, but that is because it is hard to arrange for such tests.

No, it's because given all the opportunities you've had to do any tests, and all the advice you've been offered to make it happen scientifically and with any legitimacy, you, Anita, have spit in the face of every person or organization that tried to help you. Nothing about "hard to arrange" comes into play. You have avoided it with every fiber of your being.

And this is still exams week, so it will be a few days until I can continue with the arrangements of the study.

But you won't.

I am not trying to be special [...]

And you're not. Compulsive liars often act just like you. Mentally ill people are known to act just like you. Deluded people sometimes do. People hopped up on hallucinogenic drugs are known to act just like you do. You're nothing special, Anita, nothing special at all.

I am simply describing my experience as it is.

No, you're not. You're describing your experience as you perceive it, which is quite a different thing than "as it is". You're describing your experience as you want it to be.

I get all the sense of fulfillment I need from the people in my life and my education and science career.

Fulfillment or not, it's a darn shame you don't understand the damage you might be doing to your "science career".

 

[Ashles]

Oh, you guys are just impatient, that's all.

Oh look - this thread fell off the front page - Anita bumped it herself again, and still we are somehow impatient? For what?

Anita seriously, what exactly do you think we are impatient for?
We do not believe you will ever test yourself in a meaningful way. So how can we be impatient for something we have repeatedly explained we do not believe will ever happen (and look how right we are turning out to be)?

Why do you keep bumping the thread when you have not done a single thing towards testing the 'ability'?
To detail an entirely different and unrelated person with an actual ability to do something unusual? This doesn't relate to you at all.

You have not demonstrated the ability to do anything unusual whatsoever.

I am still working on my investigation, but school comes first. I have so far not produced a single verified incorrect medical perception, and the claim has not been falsified.

Allow me (this gets easier each time):

He didn't have a tired left shoulder, so you were wrong.
You reported the "tired left shoulder" so it was significant enough to mention.
You did not write that you sensed an "adam's apple" so that is a lie. You wrote that you sensed throat discomfort. Which was wrong.
Every man has an adam's apple so your claim to have detected something that every healthy man is known to have, is stupid and demonstrates how blatantly you refuse to accept being wrong. This also shows how little point there is for anyone to even attempt to try and work wih you in developing a test protocol. There are of course loads of other reasons too.
I am happy to copy and paste that as many times as you are prepared to lie about the results of that incident.

One single reading so far in front of skeptics, two clear incorrect results.

Oh dear. Her continuing lies about this are doing her more harm than anything else. The tiniest shred of honesty would have given her a scrap of credibility i.e. admitting that her abilty might not be 100% after all but she still felt it was strong.
But no, Anita has to be perfect (the 4.0 average story was very interesting) and anything less than that has to be discarded. No matter how ludicrosly.

Remeber, it's only cut and paste for me so is there any point in continuing to attempt to rewrite the history that anyone can see is untrue, even on your own website?

I don't see why some of you argue otherwise.

A little thing we like to think of as 'reality'. You cannot demand people accept that which is blatantly untrue.

I do realize the lack of documented and witnessed examples of my ability, but that is because it is hard to arrange for such tests.

No it isn't. Well it wouldn't be for any of us, for some reason it is impossible for you.

And this is still exams week, so it will be a few days until I can continue with the arrangements of the study.

Has it been exams week for a year and a half? Since you first tried to agree testing with IIG?

I am not trying to be special,

That's lucky because you have demonstrated nothing yet that implies you are.

I am simply describing my experience as it is.

You are making unverified claims. Which remain unverified claims.

I get all the sense of fulfillment I need from the people in my life and my education and science career.

You do love to aggrandise yourself don't you? You have no 'science career' yet - you are a student. The law students do not have 'law careers' and the journalism students are not journalists. That stuff all happens after you graduate.
Your use of language rather disagrees with your claim "I am not trying to be special".

And let us list yet again some things you could actually do at some point (even though some would take only a matter of minutes to do):

• Detail what happened in the Study on January 3rd (I think "eventually" has officially passed now) - A brief description of this would take less time than all the other meaningless posts you add
• Fax the notes of said study to the contact details Unca Yimmy provided some time ago - This would take very little time and yet you still have not done this and not even referred to it
• Run a test on identifying crystals (as you claimed you could do to an amazing degree) - Again you have ignored this completely although you said you would do this
• Provide the results of your analysis of Pup's pill experiment (even if the result are that you simply couldn't detect anything) - A brief description would take far less time than all the other meaningless posts you add
• Detail what exactly you wrote down regarding Wayne (providing a scan of your notes would be even better) - You have ignored this completely - It doesn't bode well for any future 'testing'

This is why we don't believe you when you claim to want to work towards testing. These are simple and mostly quick things to do which will provide more information, yet not only do you not do them, you completely ignore them as though they might go away or get forgotten about.

That won't happen.

 

[Uncayimmy]

What makes me sad, Anita, is that I think you believe that Daniel's case is comparable to yours. It's not in the least.

Here's the thing about synesthesia: it's reliable, generic and automatic. When Daniel sees a certain number, he also perceives the same shape/color. Interestingly, some people who associate colors with numbers or letters actually do so because as children they played with colored blocks. It looks like synesthesia, but it's really a learned association. Anyway...

There is no case of synesthesia that I've ever seen that even remotely resembles what you describe. What you describe is not reliable because you see a variety of images that vary from person to person (and sometimes you see nothing at all). Your imagery is not generic. It is highly specific in that you can rotate an image in three dimensions and you can zoom in and out. Only in some case is it automatic. You have told us repeatedly that you often need to concentrate to do a "reading" of someone. None of that describe synesthesia, so just drop it.

What's even more sad to me is that your rebuttal to "you are not a synesthete" is to provide a video of someone totally unlike you who is. That's like me responding to "you're not a great basketball player" by posting a picture of Shaquille O'Neal. Yeh, we could both stand to lose a few pounds and suck at free throws, but that's where the similarities end.

When are you going to send me the results of your survey? You have my fax number and my address. You said you would take care of it a few weeks ago after "forgetting" about it. If you want to be treated as a reliable person, be reliable.

 

[Audible Click]

I've been reading this thread since it's beginning. We seem to be feeding into Anita's insatiable appetite for self aggrandizement. IMO she is going to keep this pointless discussion going for as long as we let her. I know this has been said before but we are, not only, beating a dead horse,we've beaten it beyond recognition.

 

[Old man]

Originally Posted by Ashles, multiple times so far
He didn't have a tired left shoulder, so you were wrong.
You reported the "tired left shoulder" so it was significant enough to mention.
You did not write that you sensed an "adam's apple" so that is a lie. You wrote that you sensed throat discomfort. Which was wrong.
Every man has an adam's apple so your claim to have detected something that every healthy man is known to have, is stupid and demonstrates how blatantly you refuse to accept being wrong. This also shows how little point there is for anyone to even attempt to try and work wih you in developing a test protocol. There are of course loads of other reasons too.
I am happy to copy and paste that as many times as you are prepared to lie about the results of that incident.

One single reading so far in front of skeptics, two clear incorrect results.

You 'clearly saw' a bony structure that you are sure is the adam's apple.

That's three strikes, Anita.

You're out.

 

[Old man]

I know this has been said before but we are, not only, beating a dead horse,we've beaten it beyond recognition.

True, but what else are they good for?

 

[Locknar]

Oh, you guys are just impatient <snip>

Yet more talk, and no action....

 

[TheSkepticCanuck]

If Anita had put a quarter of the effort and time into testing her so-called abilities as she does posting the same stuff over and over and over again here, she could have performed dozens of tests, and know for sure what she can or cannot do.

Anita, It is not that we are impatient, it is that we see so much effort being directed to tens of thousands of words posted here by you, when that effort could have been directed toward some testing, and we'd have had some actual results to discuss here, and not just the same tired drek over and over again. It is like being on a Merry-Go-round. You keep going in circles endlessly, viewing the same scenery over and over again. Get off the ride, and go do something productive. Like an actual test, or study, or whatever it is you are claiming to want to do.

I am sure that Charlotte has some large malls or other places where people gather in large quantities. Just go there, turn on "the vision", and see what things you can see that is repeatable. Don't worry about accuracy or reliability. Just try for repeatability. That alone would be a huge start, and show that you are serious about moving things forward. Plus, it would only take a couple of hours on a weekend or a weekday evening.

 

[Akhenaten]

Oh, you guys are just impatient, that's all.

That's not quite true, Anita. The only people here who would be in any rush to have you prove your abilities would be those people who believed that you had any in the first place. That particular group has so much patience that they haven't even posted yet.

I am still working on my investigation, but school comes first.

In what way have you been working on your investigation? Forgive my impatience in asking, but what are the tangible results of this work?

I have so far not produced a single verified incorrect medical perception,

I envision further debate on that point, but in any case, it's not much of a boast. I've never produced a single verified incorrect medical perception either, and I'm sure there are many others just like us.

and the claim has not been falsified.

That would be due to the lack of a falsifiable claim.

I don't see why some of you argue otherwise. I do realize the lack of documented and witnessed examples of my ability,

The reason some of us argue otherwise is the lack of documented and witnessed examples of your ability. The fact that you don't see this is central to the entire thread, but it was probably due to be restated.

but that is because it is hard to arrange for such tests.

It's hard to arrange tests because everything you do is accompanied by the mantra, "This is not a test".

And this is still exams week, so it will be a few days until I can continue with the arrangements of the study.

What study would that be? The one where you've suddenly branched out into psychology?

I am not trying to be special, I am simply describing my experience as it is.

The fact that your descriptions of your experience are completely at odds with what others describe is exactly what makes you special, whether you're trying or not. I might add that being "special" isn't always a good thing, although the short bus is probably better in traffic.

I get all the sense of fulfillment I need from the people in my life and my education and science career.

Then what is it that you seek here, and in other skeptic groups? What need of yours is fulfilled by associating with the group of impatient detractors that you deal with here?

 

[Jonquill]

Anita, don't forget your Winston Salem Skeptics meeting on the 26th. I'd like to know if you are making any progress with that group?

http://www.meetup.com/f-a-c-t/calendar/9581263/

 

[Kuko 4000]

And let us list yet again some things you could actually do at some point (even though some would take only a matter of minutes to do):

• Detail what happened in the Study on January 3rd (I think "eventually" has officially passed now) - A brief description of this would take less time than all the other meaningless posts you add
• Fax the notes of said study to the contact details Unca Yimmy provided some time ago - This would take very little time and yet you still have not done this and not even referred to it
• Run a test on identifying crystals (as you claimed you could do to an amazing degree) - Again you have ignored this completely although you said you would do this
• Provide the results of your analysis of Pup's pill experiment (even if the result are that you simply couldn't detect anything) - A brief description would take far less time than all the other meaningless posts you add
• Detail what exactly you wrote down regarding Wayne (providing a scan of your notes would be even better) - You have ignored this completely - It doesn't bode well for any future 'testing'

This.

And Anita, just to let you know, if your grades in school really are as good as you say they are, then at least to me that is something special and something to feel proud of. It's also useful in the real world.

 

[Jeff Corey]

This.

And Anita, just to let you know, if your grades in school really are as good as you say they are, then at least to me that is something special and something to feel proud of. It's also useful in the real world.

As was pointed out on page 58, they weren't. As she admitted later, her F in the Spring of 2007 kept her off the Chancellor's List all year.
She was on that list the previous year, so she had to have at least a 3.8 both semesters.

 

[Belz...]

Oh, you guys are just impatient,

Bwahahahahaha!

Funny. Go away.

 

[Kuko 4000]

As was pointed out on page 58, they weren't. As she admitted later, her F in the Spring of 2007 kept her off the Chancellor's List all year.
She was on that list the previous year, so she had to have at least a 3.8 both semesters.

Yeah, I remember that, she replied that she dropped out of that class because of a professor who made her feel uncomortable. And anyways, she also said that she took the class again and got an A from her first assignment.

It was making me depressed having to be in an environment like that, so I had to stop attending his class in order to not let it affect my mood and my other grades.

I am using a grade replacement policy and retaking that class this semester and already got an A in the first assignment so the 4.0 is coming back.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend her misrepresentation of the straight A's.

So, like I said, if all this is true (very good grades, except for one F), then at least from my point of view she has a very good reason to feel proud of herself in the real world. She was also willing to prove her grades. Of course it has nothing to do with her paranormal claims, but I just want to let her know that I for one really think that grades as good as that are something to feel good about.

 

[wardenclyffe]

I hate to bump this thread, but according to their website (http://www.meetup.com/f-a-c-t/calendar/9581263/), VfF attended a North Carolina skeptics meeting yesterday. I'm interested in hearing a report from her or anyone else who attended. Perhaps there's nothing to report, though.

Ward