Vision From Feeling

[Moochie]

All of those Chancellor pages were updated on 1/27/09 at 4:12:23 PM.

There are six lists available for viewing, and she's on two of them. You did not mention that rather important detail, maybe because you didn't look.

The page you linked to had no indication of the time period it covered. We had to figure that out from the URL, and it turns out to be from 2006, which, as we understand it, is before she enrolled.

I said that people should be more careful. I stand by that statement.

Are you saying that our Anita is not the one with the 4.0 GPA?


M.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Its skillful con talk

a "test" would be go/no-go as to whether she actually has something to be studied. To fail there brings the curtain down forever.

Cant have that.

Sure she can! Plenty of scammers and frauds have submitted to tests. Some fail. Some wiggle on the hook. Some pass. They all kept right on going. Look at Uri Geller. Look at all the Bigfoot hoaxers. Plenty have been exposed as outright frauds (earpieces with somebody off-stage feeding information), yet they continue.

And how can you say it is "skillful" when everybody can clearly see that she's avoiding a test for some reason despite obviously spending hours and hours on setting it up. That's not skillful in the least.

It's delusional behavior. C'mon, is she such an incredibly good scammer that she set up the FACT people to make it look like they stopped the test, not her? I mean, that is superb acting and incredible manipulation.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Are you saying that our Anita is not the one with the 4.0 GPA?

No. I'm not sure how you got that.

 

[Moochie]

No. I'm not sure how you got that.

Never mind. It seems I misread your post.

Whether she has a GPA of 4.0 or not is irrelevant. But as far as I can ascertain the poster is quite bright.


M.

 

[skeen]

The study could actually be harmful. I mean, it's basically a guessing game, isn't it? That can't possibly yield useful results. The most we can expect from it, is the general woo claim that "my ability works 100%, except when it doesn't".

Anita has already proven than regardless of the results, she will not admit defeat; even in the face of everyone disagreeing with her. This whole thing is useless. Anita is not a willing participant.

She has already thrown several fits, threatening to leave. If the pressure cooker were to be turned up, if she were to get close to any kind of testing, she will merely a leave. She trusts herself above all else. She has shown that she does not care what the outside world (outside of her own world) thinks. She is happy to convince only herself.

 

[Old man]

Never mind. It seems I misread misinterpreted your post...

Fixed it for you.

 

[Moochie]

No, no, no! It's

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Anita has already proven than irregardless of the results, she will not admit defeat; even in the face of everyone disagreeing with her. This whole thing is useless. Anita is not a willing participant.

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M.

 

[Moochie]

Fixed it for you.

Son of a gun!


M.

 

[wardenclyffe]

Skeen, I agree that the study may be useless, but not necessarily harmful. You suggest both in your most recent post. I half-agree with you.

Ward

 

[Uncayimmy]

Solid 10. Cons never give direct answers or speak in finite terms. This is called playing the "pressure" card. "I knew I felt something (legitimizing the initial claim) but jumped the gun because ( playing the innocent error card)"

Who calls it playing the pressure card? I ask because the phrase only appears six times in Google.

That aside, I agree that the first two are clearly 10s.

>>>c) That was not a miss and this wasn't a test anyway. I said it was a slight discomfort and probably just his Adam's apple. There's no way that could be a miss or prove anything.

solid 10- Blaming the test and forming a basis for denying. ( thats like the con saying "what do those nasty realtors know, thats why they are all rich- let me tell you what the "real" truth is)

>>>d) How does "I conclude that I find no health problems. But I did sense his adam's apple." lead you to the conclusion that I detected a thyroid problem?

when all else fails, throw up the smokescreen and turn it back on them ( keeps them busy and the con doesnt have to answer and knows they will expend energy "explaining" why the con was wrong which will boil down to nothing since the con already knew he was lying. This is a wear down strategy)

I disagree. Both are also very much something a delusional person would do - interpret things in ways that nobody else does. Any con artist worth her salt will, when faced with incredible opposition, back down from a stance and use another.

Thus from my perspective, a con artist will most likely come out with the first two. They make the most sense, and we've seen the Uri Geller's of the world do it. A delusional person would never use the first two. And we've never seen Anita use either approach.

If a con artist tried the second two, I wouldn't think it would be a good choice unless it were one-on-one where personal influence would be a major factor. It would be a bad idea to try it with an audience, especially a hostile one. And if the fraud did try it and met the resistance Anita has met, then dropping back to #1 or #2 would be the best course of action. Starting with #3 and moving on to #4 makes little sense.

Meanwhile, a delusional person would come out with #3 or #4 first, and jump from one to the other without even considering #1 or #2.

Thus, I rank #3 and #4 on their own as being no higher than 5. When I see both being used, I put it as a 3.

This is the heart of my argument. I keep seeing way too many things that land on the delusional side of the scale but could still be fraudulent. Meanwhile, I don't see her doing things that are clearly on the fraud end of the scale and not delusional.

Frauds and deluded persons will twist things around.

A fraud will twist things to get me to believe what she wants me to believe.

A deluded person will twist things to permit herself to believe what she already believes.

 

[Ocelot]

stripper/cont artist.

Is cont artistry the new pole dancing?

 

[nathan]

Dear Skeptics,
I did not produce incorrect medical perceptions in the viewing with Wayne. I said that I felt a tired left shoulder to an insignificant extent and that I sensed his adam's apple. Neither of which I identified as health problems. My conclusion at the end of seeing Wayne was that I found no health problems.

Masterfully weasel worded. You're still a liar though.

 

[Ashles]

Dear Skeptics,
I did not produce incorrect medical perceptions in the viewing with Wayne.

Dear Anita.
Yes you did. Absolutely and unequivocably.
For every time you can repeat that lie we can point to the facts.

I said that I felt a tired left shoulder to an insignificant extent and that I sensed his adam's apple.

He didn't have a tired left shoulder, so you were wrong.
You reported the "tired left shoulder" so it was significant enough to mention.
You did not write that you sensed an "adam's apple" so that is a lie. You wrote that you sensed throat discomfort. Which was wrong.
Every man has an adam's apple so your claim to have detected something that every healthy man is known to have, is stupid and demonstrates how blatantly you refuse to accept being wrong. This also shows how little point there is for anyone to even attempt to try and work wih you in developing a test protocol. There are of course loads of other reasons too.
I am happy to copy and paste that as many times as you are prepared to lie about the results of that incident.

Neither of which I identified as health problems. My conclusion at the end of seeing Wayne was that I found no health problems.

Yeah you did. You described them. You were wrong about them.

I will look into the possibility of arranging a study into my paranormal claim together with college students from my university if I find any that are interested in experiencing an attempt of applying the scientific method to explaining an unusual experience.

But you care so deeply about not involving your university don't you?
Oh is that ignored now?
Oh I see that's ditched now the skeptics aren't falling for this. I guess you're looking for more gullible subjects.

It could be an educational experience for all of us students involved.

That's true. Every science student can witness a fascinating display of how not to run a scientific experiment.
And they can read this thread and see how claims without evidence wither and die when questioned methodically.

These would have to be students who I do not know prior, and thus preferably in another major field such as Biology or Psychology. These students could act as participating skeptics. I want to have my study as soon as possible and while I begin making other arrangements on the side, the FACT Skeptics can take their time.

Just like you moved to the FACT skeptic while the IIG skeptics were 'taking their time'.
Because of course it's always everyone else, not you, isn't it?

I strongly feel that my 1st Study does not need to be like a test, since it is not a test. But if there is a 2nd Study it will implement even more test conditions

No, surely not... not EVEN MORE test conditions than ABSOLUTELY NO test conditions?
My goodness, how strict will these non-tests get?

and will gradually approach being conducted under proper test conditions.

'Gradually' we will reach 'proper test conditions' and 'eventually' we will find out about the 'survey'.
And shortly after the heat death of the universe we may 'gradually' approach the definitive and agreed design of a falsification scenario.
Which will then get rejected or ignored.

Gosh these world changing scientific breakthroughs sure are tricky to display.

However, school comes first, so don't you all get frustrated if it takes time for me to arrange it.

How could we get frustrated about the non-appearance of something none of us believe will ever happen?

Anita, you are officially our little clown now.
Please amuse us further with your funny displays and amusing antics.

 

[Jonquill]

I had a professor who was really mean to some of the students. We were hit with papers and yelled at and insulted every day of class, he said he hated us and didn't want to see us in his classroom anymore and that we should withdraw.

Would this really happen in a university?

 

[GeeMack]

Dear Skeptics,

My, aren't you formal? Damned shame you still can't muster a bit of honesty.

I did not produce incorrect medical perceptions in the viewing with Wayne.

Yes, you did produce incorrect medical perceptions in the viewing with Wayne.

I said that I felt a tired left shoulder to an insignificant extent and that I sensed his adam's apple. Neither of which I identified as health problems. My conclusion at the end of seeing Wayne was that I found no health problems.

Not even the one that was there. Plus a couple of perceptions which were clearly, 100% wrong.

I will look into the possibility of arranging a study into my paranormal claim together with college students from my university if I find any that are interested in experiencing an attempt of applying the scientific method to explaining an unusual experience.

No, Anita, you won't. You don't have the courage to risk losing your delusion. You're sick like a junkie who can't give up the stuff. Lost Weekend comes to mind. And you wouldn't know the scientific method if it came up and bit you on the ass. And... your unusual experience has been explained many times over right here in this thread. You're either attempting some sort of scam or you're sick in the head.

It could be an educational experience for all of us students involved.

Most of the students at your school have met compulsive liars and egomaniacs before. Most of them have crossed paths with delusional people. It might be educational for them to meet someone experiencing those problems with the severity of yours. But other than that, there's little to learn. But do remember to treat them like crap, the way you've treated everyone in this thread. That's where your real talent lies. (Oh, did I say "lies"? )

These would have to be students who I do not know prior, and thus preferably in another major field such as Biology or Psychology. These students could act as participating skeptics. I want to have my study as soon as possible and while I begin making other arrangements on the side, the FACT Skeptics can take their time.

When I read that last sentence, why do I see the words, "... the FACT Skeptics can go screw themselves if they aren't willing to be manipulated?"

I strongly feel that my 1st Study does not need to be like a test, since it is not a test. But if there is a 2nd Study it will implement even more test conditions and will gradually approach being conducted under proper test conditions.

You'll gradually, or sometimes with extreme haste, bail out on anything remotely resembling a study or test if there's even a remote possibility that you'll have to face the fact that you're nuts.

However, school comes first, so don't you all get frustrated if it takes time for me to arrange it.

It was only frustrating when some of us held out a little hope for you, but you've shown that you're hopeless. You've made yourself into an object of ridicule, a mere toy. You're like that ball of lint the cats smack around on the floor. You're mostly boring, but now and then it's entertaining to watch you get batted around again for a few minutes.

 

[desertgal]

I had a professor who was really mean to some of the students. We were hit with papers and yelled at and insulted every day of class, he said he hated us and didn't want to see us in his classroom anymore and that we should withdraw.

Would this really happen in a university?

Just another version: "It wasn't ME, it was HIM."

 

[Jonquill]

I find it hard to believe that a professor could behave like that and not be reported?

 

[Locknar]

We were hit with papers and yelled at and insulted every day of class, he said he hated us and didn't want to see us in his classroom anymore and that we should withdraw. None of the students earned this behavior, he was just an unfriendly personality.

Seems unlikely that a university, or any school, would tolerate such criminal behavior. Do tell, what did you do about this?

Surly a student, somewhere along the line, reported this to the Dean of the appropriate dept., or the police (ie. Assault and Battery).

If reported, and the school has done nothing...run, don't walk get your lawyer (the same one you are going to use against the Park Service for denying Constitutional Rights)....

So...to recap; according to you you've told 4 University Professors of your amazing ability and none seem especially interested in what would surely be Nobel Prize kinda stuff, you've had a fellow student steal your ideas on Vibrational Algebra (tm) and a professor that knows of this plagiarism and has done nothing, a mean teacher that essential beats and berates students, Skeptic groups that are standing in your way in terms of conducting your study/test/what ever you are going to call it, the local Park Service denying use of the park, etc. But of course...it is them, not you.

Just to plain sad to be funny.

 

[desertgal]

I find it hard to believe that a professor could behave like that and not be reported?

Consider the source of the information.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Here's why I agree that VfF needs the "study." She has no testable claim.

To be clear, she has no claim which could be proven to true. She does, however, have claims which could be shown to be false. She has claimed to have read about 100 people with 100% Apparent Accuracy™ - no false positives.

That's testable via her study. In fact, those 100 people are her first "study" that led her to beliefs in the first place. If she throws around a bunch of false positives, then there's no need to go any further.