Vision From Feeling

[JWideman]

For those of you who have expressed concern for my mental well-being, I can only thank you since I presume that it was done out of caring and with my best interest in mind, and also I need to seriously think about what reasons have emerged to make you feel this way.

The reasons are that you display some behavior consistent with someone suffering from delusions.

 

[desertgal]

This whole thing makes me feel weird. Not bad, just weird. Also, now that we know that authorities have been notified, it feels like there's been an official declaration of mental illness. I know there has not been. But things have definitely gone to a new level. Mixed in with the "tough-love" approach is a lot of seemingly mean spirited mocking. This seemed OK when we were all operating under the assumption that this was a run of the mill paranormal claimant who would get tired and disappear. Now that people are getting personally involved it seems different.
Ward

I don't feel entirely comfortable about the fact Anita's Uni has ben contacted.

I definitely appreciate what you both are saying.

To be clear, the decision was not something I took lightly, or did out of spite or vindictiveness. I considered it for several days, I reread all of Anita's posts carefully, and I did all that I could to ensure that my observations were correct. If I had had any doubts, at all, I wold not have gone forward. But, Anita's claims, in totality, are consistent with an advanced delusional state, and her disregard for the ethics in her behavior is not something I can ignore, since it may affect innocent people. It has also been my experience that direct intervention is required to aid someone in that state with seeking help. That is what I am hoping will be accomplished.

If I am wrong, then I will gladly be wrong. But, I would much rather take it one step further and be wrong then be right and do nothing.

I had not intended to reveal this, but I was also uncomfortable with the thought that, when the penny dropped, Anita might blame someone else here. It was my decision, and I openly stand by it. And, again, I made it very clear that I do not represent the JREF or the members of this forum in any way.

Ward, I don't disagree that there may have been mocking, but I'm not sure that it was as much mean spirited as exasperated with Anita's continuing attempts at manipulation.

 

[desertgal]

For those of you who have expressed concern for my mental well-being, I can only thank you since I presume that it was done out of caring and with my best interest in mind, and also I need to seriously think about what reasons have emerged to make you feel this way. <snipped for brevity>

This post is so manipulatively disingenuous and dishonest, I don't have the patience or the heart to respond to it.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

desertgal:

her disregard for the ethics in her behavior is not something I can ignore, since it may affect innocent people

From my post #1822,

The way in which this investigation is being done, should also not be of concern. I have consistently emphasized great care to ensure that none of the people who take part in my inquiry come to any harm, and even though many of you skeptics here at the JREF Forum have ridiculed my efforts of ensuring no harm, I have strongly and firmly encorporated all necessary care into the design of my investigation. It should be clear that I show great consideration for the possible legal, moral, ethical, and practical complications that may come about in a paranormal investigation that due to the mere subject of this inquiry is not only controversial and provocative to many, but due to involving health information of persons may involve possible harm if done in a careless way.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Ashles,

Thanks for your viewpoint. I haven't contacted her school (yet), but I have seriously considered it. The only reason I would even consider contacting the school is that ostensibly the relationship with their students includes caring for their well-being. There are professionals there more qualified to make the judgment required as to whether to initiate contact or not.

Anita's "career" will be affected by her claims regardless of what any of us do - she has repeatedly used her real name in many places (not her website, though) . She contacted the IIG to take their $50,000 challenge. She logged into several skeptic boards. She has met with a local skeptics group, corresponded with a shopping mall business office, and contacted local government officials. And she's written probably 50,000 words or more on this website alone. Type Anita Ikonen into Google and see what comes up. To me, there's no reasonable expectation of privacy on her part.

Let me ask you this, though. In your experiences were the attention seekers so horribly good at garnering negative attention? She's not hanging out on the psychic boards and playing up her abilities. She's hitting the toughest group of all (skeptics), and seemingly she's not even smart enough to lie to make herself look better. Also, did you encounter anyone with such a wide-ranging collection of skills (chemicals, photos, live people, crystals, ghosts, insects, plants)?

 

[skeen]

There are so many things wrong with Anita's recent wall-o-text (which amazingly, I actually read) that I wouldn't know where to begin.

Anita, you need to speak with a psychiatrist, if this is not all some elaborate hoax (which I am sure it is not). You have invented you own reality, and your own form of logic; it is inconsistent with the real world, and you have shown that somewhere in your brain, you actually know this, and actively avoid exposure to yourself.

 

[desertgal]

desertgal:

her disregard for the ethics in her behavior is not something I can ignore, since it may affect innocent people

From my post #1822,

The way in which this investigation is being done, should also not be of concern. I have consistently emphasized great care to ensure that none of the people who take part in my inquiry come to any harm, and even though many of you skeptics here at the JREF Forum have ridiculed my efforts of ensuring no harm, I have strongly and firmly encorporated all necessary care into the design of my investigation. It should be clear that I show great consideration for the possible legal, moral, ethical, and practical complications that may come about in a paranormal investigation that due to the mere subject of this inquiry is not only controversial and provocative to many, but due to involving health information of persons may involve possible harm if done in a careless way

Please stop reiterating this. Many psychics have disclaimers. It protects them legally. It does not stop innocent, vulnerable people from being hurt or distressed.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

skeen:

You have invented you own reality, and your own form of logic; it is inconsistent with the real world, and you have shown that somewhere in your brain, you actually know this, and actively avoid exposure to yourself.

All this does is confirm to me that your assumptions are not valid, and that I may not need to share your concern. I do realize that my medical perceptions are not mutually experienced by everyone, but you fail to understand that my reason for engaging in this investigation is not entirely based on my own frame of reference but on confirmation that has occurred from outside sources. "In my brain" I realize that from an objective perspective there has been compelling correlation between my medical perceptions and actual health and that I have experienced not a single case of confirmed inaccuracy even at times when I had strongly expected to encounter it. "In my brain" I know that this paranormal claim is fully falsifiable and that I am working fast now to get ready to have the study this weekend, knowing that its results will provide plenty of insight into what is going on, and knowing that I can respect conclusions made based on the results of the study.

By no means do I avoid exposing a non-ability. I am in fact trying to falsify my claim before getting overly excited about testing or proving a paranormal claim. I placed myself into a room full of skeptics and willingly agreed to demonstrate my skill with one of the skeptics and made myself fully available to produce incorrect perceptions but none came about - since the man was perfectly healthy! Let's just see what happens when I meet with a person who actually has health problems, and when I actually claim to perceive health problems. I can't wait to have the study hopefully this weekend. Why? Because I am not avoiding exposure (of a non-ability).

desertgal:

Please stop reiterating this. Many psychics have disclaimers. It protects them legally. It does not stop innocent, vulnerable people from being hurt or distressed.

You are quite right for reminding everyone about the possible harm involved in an investigation that asks for health information in people. But it should be clear to everyone that at least I have expressed concern of avoiding harm. I have been repeatedly told on this Forum to "just go out and detect an ailment and approach the person and ask them if they have it!" and the sort and I have always said that I can not do that, since it involves possible harm to persons. I don't mind you reminding us to ensure that no one gets harmed in this investigation, but as should be obvious from how the study is designed for instance, I see no possible harm to volunteers.

Thanks to our wonderful UncaYimmy (no pun intended, seriously!) I now have a study procedure designed that allows the volunteers to remain entirely anonymous about their answers in the health questionnaire. Their answers can never be linked back to their person. Also, once I am finished with the questionnaire some time tonight and make it available, it should be clear that it is avoiding some of the more serious and private health information. Furthermore the study procedure makes very clear that the volunteers will never get to find out what my perceptions of them were. I am quite pleased with the design of the study as I see no possible harm to anyone participating in the study.

It is not a disclaimer. A disclaimer is if someone actually ends up being harmed by their involvement in the investigation and then all I do is point to a wall of text that I wrote beforehand that states that "I didn't intend for anyone to get hurt". What I have described are measures taken to actually avoid harm onto persons. By the way no one will be approached in person and asked to participate in the study. A sign will be placed at the site of the study and I am also looking into the possibility of placing out ads to promote the study that asks for people to volunteer, so when people approach us to volunteer they do so by their own choice. And when they do, they are given an information page that explains a bit more about the study. All of this material will be made available at my website as soon as it is finalized.

I know I am criticized for when I give appreciation for posts here in this thread but I think the concern you are raising is a very important and valuable one to keep in mind throughout. And I mean it.

 

[desertgal]

desertgal:

You are quite right for reminding everyone about the possible harm involved in an investigation that asks for health information in people. But it should be clear to everyone that at least I have expressed concern of avoiding harm. I have been repeatedly told on this Forum to "just go out and detect an ailment and approach the person and ask them if they have it!" and the sort and I have always said that I can not do that, since it involves possible harm to persons. I don't mind you reminding us to ensure that no one gets harmed in this investigation, but as should be obvious from how the study is designed for instance, I see no possible harm to volunteers.

Thanks to our wonderful UncaYimmy (no pun intended, seriously!) I now have a study procedure designed that allows the volunteers to remain entirely anonymous about their answers in the health questionnaire. Their answers can never be linked back to their person. Also, once I am finished with the questionnaire some time tonight and make it available, it should be clear that it is avoiding some of the more serious and private health information. Furthermore the study procedure makes very clear that the volunteers will never get to find out what my perceptions of them were. I am quite pleased with the design of the study as I see no possible harm to anyone participating in the study.

It is not a disclaimer. A disclaimer is if someone actually ends up being harmed by their involvement in the investigation and then all I do is point to a wall of text that I wrote beforehand that states that "I didn't intend for anyone to get hurt". What I have described are measures taken to actually avoid harm onto persons. By the way no one will be approached in person and asked to participate in the study. A sign will be placed at the site of the study and I am also looking into the possibility of placing out ads to promote the study that asks for people to volunteer, so when people approach us to volunteer they do so by their own choice. When they do, they are given an information page that explains a bit more about the study. All of this material will be made available at my website as soon as it is finalized.

Again, this post is so manipulatively disingenuous and dishonest that I have neither the patience nor the heart to respond to it any further.

 

[GeeMack]

"In my brain" I realize that from an objective perspective there has been compelling correlation between my medical perceptions and actual health and that I have experienced not a single case of confirmed inaccuracy even at times when I had strongly expected to encounter it.

In your brain. That's the only place where you have experienced not a single case of confirmed inaccuracy. Out here in the real world things are quite different. Crazy little place you've built for yourself there... in your brain. Tell me, Anita, when you drop something in there, does it make a big hollow echo sound?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

desertgal:

Again, this post is so manipulatively disingenuous and dishonest that I have neither the patience nor the heart to respond to it any further.

I told you! I knew it!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Dear Skeptics, please turn your attention away from the personal criticism for a while and place your energy and skills in something productive that will lead to a non-ability being falsified sooner, which is when we can all celebrate for a job well done...

On the health questionnaire, which is a list of several health problems that the volunteer checks if they have them and then also checks for when they last experienced it and also for the perceived extent of the ailment on a scale of 1 to 5 (5 being the most)... what general questions about the volunteer should be asked, besides their gender and year of birth? Do we need to know their weight, or anything else? I would be quite happy with just gender and age so to not ask too many personal questions such as weight.

Here are the ailments asked for in the preliminary draft:
Pain (in various parts or organs of the body and asked individually for 26 distinct locations)
Pregnancy
Breast implants
Vasectomy
Old fractures
Other surgeries
Missing organs
Staples, wires or other foreign objects remaining after surgery
Whether the person smokes
Asthma
Cough
Phlegm in the lungs
Low oxygen uptake
Hearing loss
Tinnitus (permanent ringing in ears)
Permanent "objects" in the field of vision
Kidney stones
Gall stones
Confusion
Dizziness
Nausea
Constipation
Diarrhea
Difficult or painful urination
Trouble swallowing because of throat or esophagus
Hands get cold
Feet get cold
Numbness or tingling in any part of the body
Body part ceases to function sometimes or all the time
Whether the volunteer needs to go to the bathroom now
Missing teeth

Any ailments may be removed or added before deciding on a final version and the order of appearance has not been decided yet. The health form will be exactly one sheet of paper printed on both sides for convenience to avoid missing pages or mixed up pages. I have room on the form to include ten more ailments. Any ideas?

They need not all be ailments that I have experienced perceiving in the past. This is a study and we want to find out which of these I do in fact perceive. (Most of them I already have.) The study should also include ailments that we would like to see appear on a test so that we can find out whether I might in fact claim to perceive them! To make a test possible!

 

[Gmonster2]

Certainly

Dear Skeptics, please turn your attention away from the personal criticism for a while and place your energy and skills in something productive that will lead to a non-ability being falsified sooner, which is when we can all celebrate for a job well done...

No problem Anita lets do that right now shall we , its really easy.

1) What are your answers to Pups chemical test? If you can't do it admit it?!

2) Weeks ago i asked u to do a crystal test u also told Jim at the skeptics u will get them out and try it. quick and easy can u do it or not?

3) Arrange for the health perceptions to be tested at the next skeptics meeting. Can you do it or not?

There its easy we can prove 3 non abilitys in short order

Now can you do this or not its time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP !

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Gmonster2:

1) What are your answers to Pups chemical test? If you can't do it admit it?!

I spent two hours on Pup's chemical samples and wrote down my impressions. It was difficult since two of the five chemicals I have never seen before to have a reference of them and currently funds are low and I can not go out and purchase original samples. I did not reach final conclusions on the samples yet and am currently devoting all my available time to arrange the upcoming study. I don't know whether I can or can not do the chemical test yet.

2) Weeks ago i asked u to do a crystal test u also told Jim at the skeptics u will get them out and try it. quick and easy can u do it or not?

The crystals are at my boyfriend's house and I am at school. I have not been over there since the skeptic's meeting and also will not be this weekend since I am having the study. The earliest would be the weekend of next week.

3) Arrange for the health perceptions to be tested at the next skeptics meeting. Can you do it or not?

Yes I can do that. In fact I will send a group e-mail out to all the members of the FACT Skeptics Group asking them to bring acquaintances to the meeting for this purpose.

Now can you do this or not its time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP !

 

[Uncayimmy]

I had an interesting encounter with Anita this afternoon. I was away from my computer for a bit. When I came back I kept hearing some sounds. It took hearing it a few times to realize it was Facebook's instant messaging software. Turns out Anita had been sending me IM after IM without any reply from me. She was just prattling on. Mind you, last time we had contact I told her I did not want to e-mail, IM, or speak to her on the phone.

My first response was, "You sure do type a lot to people who aren't replying to you." She said maybe it was because of her "delusional" nature and included a smilie. Once again it seems she's not taking it seriously. I told her it was no joking matter.

She then asked me if people on the board really thought she was stalling or delaying. After I picked my jaw up off the floor, I told that without a doubt we believe she is stalling and delaying.

I told her once again about how she didn't need permission to talk to people in the park. I said, "If you're not charging money, then it shouldn't be a problem." She told me that was pretty much what the guy on the phone told her as well. Yet she's still sending a letter to them asking for permission anyway.

I told her to do the skeptics group instead. She said she was going to do that anyway once she "refined" her protocol, blah blah blah. After a little more of this I told her I was ending the chat because she doesn't listen. And I logged out since my experiences with not responding to her messages is that she'll just keep going anyway.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Since everyone is curious,
Facebook Chat between VisionFromFeeling and UncaYimmy January 28 2009:

VFF: Hey, it's the woman with shiny white hair here to gawk at you for 15 minutes. [Reference to this.]
VFF: Jim, would you like to help me with writing a letter to the Park and Recreation Department, or are you waiting for me to post something funny on the JREF Forum? Are you interested in involvement in my investigation to advance the investigation toward a final conclusion, or are you here just to mock and ridicule me? You are a brilliant skeptic and a tremendous resource. If you could take some time and energy from the complaints and place it on some productive work, I would be eternally grateful.
VFF: Maybe you could gawk at me for 15 minutes?
VFF: Based on the impression I got when I spoke with the person at the Park and Recreation it will be alright for me to have this study at a public place. However, I want to have specific permission before I "go ahead".
Once I have permission to do this on the street or in a park, I am all set! Finally!
VFF: The person at the office said that he would have an answer for me within 24 hours. So, you see, no delays going on. Just making sure all is ok. I don't want to be stopped by the police who says "What do you think you are doing here?" Then I would just say, "Oh, it's alright. I have permission!"
Am I talking to myself? ... Maybe I am delusional after all.
VFF: Jim, do you really think that it is absolutely impossible for any person to have extrasensory perception of the kind that I am investigating?
Well, if there is no ability, the study presents a good chance to reveal that.
Seriously. I am not "trying" to be psychic. I just want an explanation to why I have had such interesting cases of accurate perceptions. Of course it could be due to cold reading. But that is what I want to find out.
Jim: Wow. You write a lot without anyone replying.
VFF: Ha ha. It is part of my delusional nature. Ha.
Jim: You do not need permission to speak to people in a public place. You're not charging money, so there's no need for a license.
VFF: I see. Actually, that was one of the questions the man at the office asked. He asked whether I was charging money, and I said no, and beyond that point he seemed to think that it was all ok.
Jim: The park idea is a bad idea anyway. Do it at the skeptics meeting.
VFF: I think you're right. But, within 24 hours I should have a definite answer. Just in case.
Jim: You joke about being delusional. I am not joking. I am 100% serious.
VFF: Yes I will do it at the skeptics meeting too. I'm just thinking that the skeptics are the *best* volunteers to be looked at that I could possibly find. I want to read them when everything is prepared the very most. Does this sound as if I am making excuses and delaying or trying to avoid reading the skeptics? Because that is not my intent with it.
Like the reading with Wayne. He was a skeptic. And the procedure for the reading could have been better, so I kind of "ruined" that chance with a good volunteer.
Jim: How can you even ask me that question? Everybody sees you as stalling and delaying. You're also a control freak.
VFF: I'm thinking if I have the study this weekend. Then if I don't falsify the claim I will proceed to read the skeptics. Because I can use what I learn from the study to improve on the procedure.
"Improve on the procedure" means to make it closer to a proper test procedure. To make the results more credible and reliable.
Jim: It won't work in the park. People are not going to give a stranger 15 minutes for gawking and personal health details.
I told you before, you cannot be the scientist and the subject. A doctor who treats himself has a fool for a patient.
VFF: Yes I am worried about that. Your idea of the Craigs list is a good one, too. As soon as I have an "ok" from the Park and Recreation, I will commence to place out little advertisement notices (after finding out what the laws and such are) and advertise on Craigs list, to announce when and where and what. That might make one or two more show up.
Well, I simply refuse to give away the biggest discovery of all time to someone else. If I in fact have ESP then I want all the credit.
Jim: Blah blah blah. I am ending this chat because you do not listen.
VFF: I am listening!
I just disagree on a few points.
What if you climbed Mt. Everest and your gym teacher got the prize?
That's kind of how I feel about that.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Wow. Anita wrote 1,910 words and still didn't answer my question.

I need to seriously think about what reasons have emerged to make you feel this way.

We've been discussing this for over a month and you haven't thought about it yet?

The perceptions of organs and tissue or of pain that I perceive when I see other people are on the same level as other impressions that form on their own in people's minds due to other things and association. <snip> Such are my medical perceptions, that they are more like impressions. The perceptions, in themselves, are no reason for concern

The above is in direct contradiction to what you told us in the moderated thread:

The images of health problems appear in their most relevant angle and magnification that best describes the situation. However I can go from there and choose to look at structures in the body from any angle that I choose, and from any level of magnification that I want. I find that going deeper into organs, seeing the tissue structure, and individual cells, and molecular level, going into the atoms, that after the atomic level comes what I call the vibrational level of magnification, where all things appear to be vibrational structures, and I believe that this is what I am fundamentally perceiving, that forms the larger scale composite information. I can observe images from several angles and several levels of magnification simultaneously.

You tell us...

I hold no automatic belief in the perceptions.

Yet you told us:

That is the nature of the vibrational information that forms the images. The way I understand it, the vibrational information is what I detect. This vibration is then what the atoms are composed of, then the molecules, cells, and tissue. Based on the perceived structure of the vibrational information, this is then in my awareness constructed upwards into corresponding structure on the atomic, molecular, and cellular and tissue level and becomes perception that is visual in structure, shape and color, and also texture, feeling, density, weight, temperature, and sometimes sound, taste, and scent.

One example of sound is when red blood cells scrape against the walls of the blood vessels, it sounds like when you run your finger against a sheet of paper.

You tell us...

And unless the perceptions relay something serious such as heart pain, liver worms, or a serious case of cancer, the perceptions are never distracting or disturbing to my way of life or functioning as a person or in my work and studies. Mostly I only notice them when I choose to place attention to them.

In other words they are never distracting or disturbing unless they are. Like when you told us:

When it comes to perceptions that come to me on their own, while I see the person, I can not block the images. When I look away, close my eyes, or no longer see the person if one of us leaves, I no longer have the perception.

You tell us...

The perceptions in themselves are not of interest to me.

But you have also told us...

Oh yes. I love looking at their bodies and also at how they perceive the world, their thoughts and sensory perception. Amphibians and vultures have among the most beautiful thoughts. Both are non-aggressive animals. There is no difference in difficulty of perceiving human or animal tissue.

I love looking at the chemicals in the body fluids of insects and would love to study insect biology and find out exactly what those are. It is tremendously different from the internal chemistry of humans. I love reading the sensory perceptions of insects.

Don't forget that I also see bacteria. The interesting thing is that I can download the vibrational aspect of a bacteria and experiment in my mind by applying different types of vibrations to it to see for instance what would kill it. I can then translate the effective vibration into a corresponding light structure (to be generated with electronic instruments) or a chemical medicine, or other large scale, "real" things (as if vibration weren't real, but some of you might think so). This way I've invented a hypothesis for a treatment method for the flesh eating bacteria that I want someone to study but to give me the credit of its discovery.

You tell us...

I do not make any assumptions regarding my experience. I do not use my past experiences as evidence for anything.

But your website says...

My ability works on its own without any effort from me, just like when you see a page with written text you read the words whether you choose to or not and it is hard to not read it. The information I receive becomes increasingly detailed and specific as my ability enhances over time. Sometimes what I find is so specific that I first hesitate to tell the person about it. Of course I worry about ever making a mistake, but even though some of my observations are extremely specific,

I have not been incorrect a single time!

You tell us...

And do note, that extrasensory perception is somewhat on the bottom of my list of expected possibilities.

Yet you also told us.

I believe that the fact that health problems are more distinguishable the more severe they are, is both due to the nature of its vibrational structure containing dissonance but also I believe that my brain's processing and selection of information detects and notices this information among other information. I believe the identification of health problems is due to such a combination.

If that's not ESP, then what is?

You tell us...

From the way in which I have conducted this investigation so far I see no reason for concern for my mental well-being. I have contacted two skeptics groups and taken in all of their advice and been fully conforming to their suggestions regarding how a test of my claimed experience should take place.

Okay, that is just a lie. You have ruined the protocol I wrote. You have tossed out the medical form I created for you. You refused to use it when given the chance. You are ignoring the advice about not using a scale to rate the seriousness of the ailment.

For me, re-read this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4335911#post4335911


You tell us...

And according to the suggestions of these skeptics I am now conducting a study into my experience.

No, you are not. You are talking about doing a study. You haven't actually done anything except ignore the advice of everyone else.

You tell us...

I see nothing wrong with engaging in a scientific inquiry into an unusual experience. I am seeking a rational explanation to the apparent correlation that I have experienced.

No, you're not. ESP has been on the table since day 1. In fact you added it as a tag (keyword) when you started th ethread.

You tell us...

The way in which this investigation is being done, should also not be of concern.

No investigation has been done. That aside, it is the primary concern of any scientist.

You tell us...

I have noticed no delusional behavior on my part.

Nobody expects you to. We, and by that I mean just about everybody else participating in the thread, see it. Like here:

And by the way, I did not make two incorrect perceptions on the recent study with one of the skeptics.

Which is evidence of your delusion. If something is not worth mentioning, you don't mention. If you mention it, then it was worth mentioning.

You tell us...

Due to how anything I say here is treated by you skeptics I do have reason to doubt the value of some of your judgement. If you consider how I was treated after saying that I am from Sweden, that I am studying two B.S. degrees at the same time, that my family is not overly excited about my perceptions, and all other ordinary and trivial things and how you have reacted to these things, then I can not hold much value in your judgement in the more serious topics.

You keep bringing this up. Those issues were resolved quite quickly. When skeptics are presented with evidence, they adjust their conclusions accordingly. Questioning things is what we do.

You tell us...

I have listened very carefully to most of what has been said here and I can safely conclude to myself that I find no reason for concern.

Of course you do. You didn't answer my question. Can you see how we have reason to be concerned?

But since you have no concern, then perhaps instead of spending the money on having your posts evaluated by a mental health professional I should place an ad in your school newspaper promoting your website.

You tell us...

As to the other things that I may have expressed here that stir up some commotion among you. The reference to Arcturian heritage is not something I have stated as evidence or fact.

There are no such things as Arcturians.

You tell us...

As for my experience of ghosts there is also no reason for concern (unless they push me off a chair).

You told us one did push you.

You tell us...

Had I not offered to present evidence that I originate from Sweden we would probably still be arguing about that.

Did you offer such proof? I don't recall. You certainly never provided it. We examined the notion among ourselves and came to our own conclusions, completely independent of your claims.

You tell us...

Once the results of this investigation become available, if it concludes that there is no significant correlation between my perceptions and actual health information then I will resume to what was before this investigation. Which is to occasionally perceive these impressions and as always to not worry about them or express them, but now with the knowledge that they are in fact not correlated with the outside mutual world regardless of what might seem.

If you see imagery that you cannot block from your mind, that's a problem.

You tell us...

Thank you for caring. Please let's wait for the results of the study which will clearly state what is going on, then let's see how I respond to the conclusions that can be drawn based on the results. If then there is an actual concern for my health revealed then I can take the steps necessary. But at this point I think I am doing just fine.

The test will eliminate your health readings. What about communicating with insects? Talking to ghosts? Identifying chemicals? Curing cancer and killing flesh eating bacteria?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

UncaYimmy, I don't have time to read your wall of text as I am working hard to finalize the material for the study. It is already midnight and I have more work to do by morning. Do you have any suggestions that are productive to the planning of the study? If you all can put the nagging aside for a moment and consider the questions I posted about the health form for the study. Any ideas for what additional ailments I could add? (You may then resume back to the everyday complaints.)

 

[Uncayimmy]

Since everyone is curious,
Facebook Chat between VisionFromFeeling and UncaYimmy January 28 2009:

VFF: Hey, it's the woman with shiny white hair here to gawk at you for 15 minutes. [Reference to this.]
VFF: Jim, would you like to help me with writing a letter to the Park and Recreation Department, or are you waiting for me to post something funny on the JREF Forum? Are you interested in involvement in my investigation to advance the investigation toward a final conclusion, or are you here just to mock and ridicule me? You are a brilliant skeptic and a tremendous resource. If you could take some time and energy from the complaints and place it on some productive work, I would be eternally grateful.
VFF: Maybe you could gawk at me for 15 minutes?
VFF: Based on the impression I got when I spoke with the person at the Park and Recreation it will be alright for me to have this study at a public place. However, I want to have specific permission before I "go ahead".
Once I have permission to do this on the street or in a park, I am all set! Finally!
VFF: The person at the office said that he would have an answer for me within 24 hours. So, you see, no delays going on. Just making sure all is ok. I don't want to be stopped by the police who says "What do you think you are doing here?" Then I would just say, "Oh, it's alright. I have permission!"
Am I talking to myself? ... Maybe I am delusional after all.
VFF: Jim, do you really think that it is absolutely impossible for any person to have extrasensory perception of the kind that I am investigating?
Well, if there is no ability, the study presents a good chance to reveal that.
Seriously. I am not "trying" to be psychic. I just want an explanation to why I have had such interesting cases of accurate perceptions. Of course it could be due to cold reading. But that is what I want to find out.
Jim: Wow. You write a lot without anyone replying.
VFF: Ha ha. It is part of my delusional nature. Ha.
Jim: You do not need permission to speak to people in a public place. You're not charging money, so there's no need for a license.
VFF: I see. Actually, that was one of the questions the man at the office asked. He asked whether I was charging money, and I said no, and beyond that point he seemed to think that it was all ok.
Jim: The park idea is a bad idea anyway. Do it at the skeptics meeting.
VFF: I think you're right. But, within 24 hours I should have a definite answer. Just in case.
Jim: You joke about being delusional. I am not joking. I am 100% serious.
VFF: Yes I will do it at the skeptics meeting too. I'm just thinking that the skeptics are the *best* volunteers to be looked at that I could possibly find. I want to read them when everything is prepared the very most. Does this sound as if I am making excuses and delaying or trying to avoid reading the skeptics? Because that is not my intent with it.
Like the reading with Wayne. He was a skeptic. And the procedure for the reading could have been better, so I kind of "ruined" that chance with a good volunteer.
Jim: How can you even ask me that question? Everybody sees you as stalling and delaying. You're also a control freak.
VFF: I'm thinking if I have the study this weekend. Then if I don't falsify the claim I will proceed to read the skeptics. Because I can use what I learn from the study to improve on the procedure.
"Improve on the procedure" means to make it closer to a proper test procedure. To make the results more credible and reliable.
Jim: It won't work in the park. People are not going to give a stranger 15 minutes for gawking and personal health details.
I told you before, you cannot be the scientist and the subject. A doctor who treats himself has a fool for a patient.
VFF: Yes I am worried about that. Your idea of the Craigs list is a good one, too. As soon as I have an "ok" from the Park and Recreation, I will commence to place out little advertisement notices (after finding out what the laws and such are) and advertise on Craigs list, to announce when and where and what. That might make one or two more show up.
Well, I simply refuse to give away the biggest discovery of all time to someone else. If I in fact have ESP then I want all the credit.
Jim: Blah blah blah. I am ending this chat because you do not listen.
VFF: I am listening!
I just disagree on a few points.
What if you climbed Mt. Everest and your gym teacher got the prize?
That's kind of how I feel about that.

Anita, it is bad form to post the contents of a private exchange, and to the best of my knowledge it is a violation of the membership agreement. As such I have reported it.

However, I have quoted the exchange to indicate that after the fact I am giving you permission to post what I wrote. You always have the right to post what you wrote and to paraphrase what you believe I wrote.

Your last two lines I did not see because I had logged off. I am so very glad you posted them. You posted your 1,900 word essay on how you don't take your perceptions all that seriously, yet here you are telling me (and now us) that you want all the credit for your amazing discoveries (ie your abilities). Those two lines are clear evidence of how deceptive you are and, quite frankly, how deluded you are.

Mt. Everest must be the Nobel Prize, which is what you brought up the last time we discussed someone else testing you. It's is painfully obvious how seriously you take your abilities. I wonder now if all this manipulation of the test parameters is partially due to you wanting to make it your own so that nobody else can take credit.

Wow.

 

[Jonquill]

I think the ailments on your list are too ambiguous, who doesn't suffer from cold feet and confusion at times or is sometimes constipated or cough a bit.
If you are going to use strangers in a park you have to keep it very simple, people get confused easily and can't be bothered reading a huge list.
Not that I can see the study happening this weekend anyway.