Vision From Feeling

[Professor Yaffle]

Professor Yaffle:
Post #1315,
If it is not possible to present inaccuracy to a perception then it has apparently been accurate. If I tell a person that they've eaten a lot of a certain type of food and they say no, then that is inaccuracy. If they say yes, then it is apparently accurate, meaning not necessarily accurate nor necessarily indicative of any particular type of ability. All apparent accuracy means is that it was not confirmed as inaccurate.

Don't be ridiculous, though. The peanut oil case is confirmed as neither accurate or inaccurate. From my observations page,
Then why on earth do you start to write things like this,
Please just admit that you made a mistake here. I clearly realize that the heart condition and oil incident can not be confirmed as accurate information. (Nor as inaccurate information.) Then why are you stating this garbage about me? Why do you have to be like all the other useless skeptics? I will not speak to you again until you admit that you were writing false assumptions and inaccurate garbage about me and then trying to use it against me to lower my credibility or what ever your plan was. And please admit that your statements about me in the post were not objective or science-minded since they were not.

You might not have officially counted it as a hit, but obviously you thought the fact that he had eaten peanut oil was significant and fitted in with what you said, otherwise you wouldn't have even mentioned it. It is obviously part of the "evidence" which is helping sustain your belief. Obviously I exaggerated the cold reading scenario for comic effect, but you may have missed that what with being sleep deprived...

Honestly, when the guy said he used a lot of peanut oil - I bet your heart skipped a little beat. You don't have to reply to that here, but at least think about it and be honest with yourself. I'm not saying it would be "wrong" to feel like that, but you have to take into account that it may be influencing your perception of how accurate you feel you are, and how convinced you are that there is something in this.

 

[Akhenaten]

More projecting.

(I give her two posts before she picks up on that term and starts using "projecting" as an insult.)

I've also found that really noticeable. She assimilates words like some kind of Borg Thesaurus.

 

[Pup]

UncaYimmy:
I intend to find out for myself. That sounds to me like taking away the prize of the first man who climbs Mt. Everest and giving it to his trainer who is on the ground below. If there is a Nobel prize involved I would of course consider myself entitled to it. If it is that their rules prevent that then I would accept the facts of the matter and get to know my beloved fellow investigators real well and make a careful choice in who I decide to make the recipient of the award.

If we're doing analogies, I'd say it's more like giving the prize to Mt. Everest, rather than the man who climbed it. Or giving the prize to x-rays or DNA or a disease itself, rather than to the person who increased our understanding about it.

If there's a not-quite-human being on this planet who can perceive microscopic detail that humans can't, the existence of that being is the Mt. Everest, or DNA, or X-rays.

The scientist who puts in the work to prove to the satisfaction of other humans that such a being exists is the climber, and thus eligible for the prize.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Anita, I am not saying this as an insult, or to put you down, but I really think you should at least ask for a medical opinion. The reason I say this is that my grandfather suffered from bipolar disorder and one of his main symptoms was grandiose delusions.

Grandiose delusion: An individual exaggerates his or her sense of self-importance and is convinced that he or she has special powers, talents, or abilities. Sometimes, the individual may actually believe that he or she is a famous person (for example, a rock star or Christ). More commonly, a person with this delusion believes he or she has accomplished some great achievement for which they have not received sufficient recognition.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusions.html

He would believe he had invented or discovered something amazing and would spend huge amounts of time writing letters to people to help develop his ideas etc. He would also believe that a particular thing he was involved with was hugely important, and often didn't bother sleeping during these times.

I swing back and forth between the opinion that you are suffering from some significant psychiatric symptoms, or are just convinced you can do someting and refusing to consider that it might not be. But in either case, I think it would do you no harm just to have a chat with a doctor about it all.

The trouble is that my grandfather was very reluctant to take this sort of advice, as one of the other symptoms of biplar disorder is lack of insight - ie that you do not believe there is anything wrong with you. If you actually listened to the concerns and spoke to a doctor (regardless of what he says) that, in itself would put my mind at rest a little. You would be showing that you at least see why people might be concerned about you.

I won't bring this up again, as I know nagging does no good in these types of situations.

 

[Pup]

You have no idea what schizotypal disorder means. None. At all. You are simply using the term, to me, and to Cuddles, as an insult - and from where I sit, that is as despicable as it gets. Really sleazy, Anita.

Yep. Definitely.

I've seen nothing in desertgal's posts to indicate anything besides an average person posting her opinions. Labels become offensive when they're used as illogical insults rather than honest assessments. What a gay thing to do. <------aside from being cruel, see how childish and ignorant it sounds?

 

[Pup]

Pup:
Post #1293. But I've experienced perceptions with apparent accuracy and where I do not know what cold reading would have been available. Why is it wrong of me to conclude to be interested in arranging a study and a test into these experiences, especially when I am fully prepared for a conclusion that all it is is cold reading or any of the other common reasons?

Who said it was wrong? We're dying to see you take a test where cold reading is eliminated and get this whole thing over with. As I said in an earlier post, though, I predict this will turn out to be a God of the Gaps kind of thing, where each testable ability is eliminated in turn: nope, can't be tested on chemicals. Nor pictures. Nor tonsils in person. But maybe heart disease. Or blood disorders. If you wanted to, you could spend a lifetime eliminating one ability after another, always hoping that the next one will be testable.

It's not really unusual, but kind of sad--like people who work on perpetual motion machines for years, convinced they're always just inches away from discovery. But I guess if it gives them a sense of purpose and meaning, there are worse ways to spend a lifetime.

But it's not that I interpret the experiences of ghosts as being ghosts. I experience them as they are and in full accordance with the agreed upon definition of ghosts.

So if you woke temporarily unable to move, as long as it was in full accordance with the agreed upon definition of the old hag phenomenon, there's a chance that an old hag could actually be sitting on people's chests, rather than the more mundane phenomenon of sleep paralysis?

I am a victim of unusual experiences. That occur so vividly and merely by being what they are and how they take place already are deeply entangled with reality.

No argument there, if you mean something like "with my interpretation of reality" or "my perception of reality."

They take place in ways that make it impossible for me to conclude that they'd be nothing or entirely subjective.

No argument there either, as long as the emphasis is on "for me." For others, not so much. Proving to others that you're accessing real data by paranormal means is a whole nuther story.

 

[nathan]

If there is a Nobel prize involved I would of course consider myself entitled to it. If it is that their rules prevent that then I would accept the facts of the matter and get to know my beloved fellow investigators real well and make a careful choice in who I decide to make the recipient of the award.
At this point so far I consider myself the principal investigator into my claim. But I love the idea of finding a favorite scientist and helping him have the award on my behalf. I already have several in mind.

Mrs Me has just looked at me very strangely. This is laugh out loud funny! Are you claiming to be a member of the Nobel committee? Or do you not comprehend that the awarder of an award is generally the one who gets to decide who is the awardee?

I envision myself in Stockholm already next year.

Is that when your visa expires? Or is it a more Nobel claim? Heck, even before I was an UG, I noticed the average length of time between a discovery and a subsequent award of a physics Nobel.

I'm from Sweden you know.

I see you're still incapable of comprehending what desertgal has told you multiple times about your origin.

 

[nathan]

I've also found that really noticeable. She assimilates words like some kind of Borg Thesaurus.

Another similarity with Doron is a claim of some kind of new mathematics.

 

[Akhenaten]

There have been countless of false accusations posted on this thread and that is what I am responding to. If "delusions" means to hold belief in things that are not true, then most of you skeptics on this thread are responsible for that. That is all.

How do you know that these perceived accusations are false without independent verification? What if, by an amazing coincidence, we were all right and you were the only one who was wrong? How would you know?

How are the sceptics on this thread responsible for the definition of "delusions"? We don't control the dictionaries.

How can you think that will be all?


As I've previously pointed out, the manner in which you selectively edit out sections of quotes when you respond is dishonest and misleading. I'm not talking about only quoting that part of a post to which you want to respond; I'm talking about wilfully hacking things around to alter their intended meaning. Will you continue to do it? Be prepared to be called on it every single time you do so.


Nepherkheperure Waenre

Pharaoh


Since you like threats so much.

 

[desertgal]

desertgal:
Then why do you call me delusional?

Because, as I have explained several times, I have observed you exhibit delusional thinking.

At least you're diagnosed and I'm not.

Nothing stopping you from going to a doctor.

And I'm not laughing.

I don't believe you. I think you enjoyed that.

I'm just using the very same language style you've used against me.

No. When I say "delusional", it is an observation that you are exhibiting delusional thinking. It isn't an insult. You, on the other hand, decided to use "schizotypal disorder" as an insult against me, and especially against Cuddles, who has displayed absolutely nothing consistent with schizotypal disorder.

Now you see how that feels and what kind of impression it makes. I'm just showing you what you've been doing to me.

No. You used the term as an insult. Not the same thing.

I definitely don't think it's funny.

Good. It isn't funny. It's just despicable and sleazy. You can't go much lower, Anita.

Everything I've stated about my claim is true.

Everything you have stated about your claim is delusional.

Whereas you all misinterpret what I say and make up lies about it.

Nope. Classic troll response.

You guys are consistently concluding something that isn't true.

No, we aren't. Stop and think about what you are saying. There is a group of people here, most older than you, most with a wider range of life experience, who believe you to be delusional, who believe your claims to be manifestations of that - and the only one who doesn't is you. That doesn't tell you something? It should.

It is alright to speculate, or to expect, or to suspect, but to conclude various things that aren't true, I don't like that.

Tough. Your patterns of thought fit the definition of delusional. That is true. You just don't agree with it.

And stop posting insults to me. That's all you do.

No, I don't. That you don't agree with it doesn't make it an insult.

Besides how would you know anyway, you have a "certain diagnose" that makes you unreliable when it comes to perceptions of reality regarding yourself and therefore also regarding others.

No, it doesn't. If anything, it makes me more familiar with delusional and hallucinatory thought patterns - which you exhibit. And a significant difference between you and I is that I understand what "delusional" means, whereas you use "schizotypal disorder" as an insult without any clear understanding of what the disorder is.

I know it's rude of me to say so

Not rude. Obtuse.

So now we are speaking the same language.

No. We aren't.

Many cases of accuracy were confirmed with evidence. It is true.

No, it isn't. You have no evidence to support the alleged accuracy of your anecdotes.

Of course that does not mean that the accuracy was due to ESP. It just means the perception I had was accurate.

No. It doesn't. It just means that you claim it was accurate.

Every single word in that above paragraph was true.

No. It wasn't.

The fact that you argue otherwise means that you are delusional, which you are.

No, it doesn't. No, I'm not.

Delusions? This is all true. You shouldn't even be posting here.

Why? I haven't broken the membership agreement. "Having your opinion, claim or argument challenged, doubted or dismissed is not attacking the arguer." I havent' called you names, or resorted to personal attacks (well, okay, I shouldn't have made that crack about Swedes, but it was a knee jerk response to your using my disorder as an insult.) I've apologized to you, several times, and defended you on occasion. I haven't even chided you with "What planet ARE you from?", and, believe me, that wasn't easy.

In my opinion, and I do know something about the symptom, your claim, your arguments, and your opinions are delusional. That's not an insult. It's an observation. That you don't agree with it doesn't make it any less true on my end.

Not delusions.
Not a lie.
Not delusion.
Not delusion.
Not delusion.
Not delusions.

Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.

I think you are a mentally ill person and I worry about you. I don't think you should be posting here because you've gotten lost in a skeptics thread. You are not a skeptic. You are just deluded.

Gee. Given the nature of your own untreated hallucinations and delusions, your relatively young age, and the limit of your life experience, I don't believe you are reliable to make that statement.

sleepy lioness:
To conclude that someone has these diagnoses without evidence for it is insulting. I do not have the symptoms. They are not insults in themselves, but they were used as insults against me. When I don't even have them.

Anita still doesn't understand the difference between "diagnosis" and "observation", or "disorder" and "symptom".

But it's not that I interpret the experiences of ghosts as being ghosts. I experience them as they are and in full accordance with the agreed upon definition of ghosts.

Wow. You have officially gone off the reservation.

The fact that you argue against my use of the word shows how ridiculous you are....The only nonsense around here is you...They are not delusions...The anecdotes have evidence that I acchieved accurate health information...The experiences persist in the way that they took place...Personal attacks include accusing me of being a liar, deluded or having schizotypal disorder when none are correct...My claims have merit and they have withstood all of the garbage on this thread...My mental well-being is doing fine...And you shouldn't act so rude and stupid...Having every single thing I say misinterpreted and twisted and to be made to sound like something it isn't and then turned into something hostile and negative against me...Your tactics are not productive in a paranormal or scientific investigation...There is no denial in the above paragraph...You guys however are constantly misunderstanding everything and placing utter belief in what you misunderstood. I do not deny reality....There have been countless of false accusations posted on this thread and that is what I am responding to...If "delusions" means to hold belief in things that are not true, then most of you skeptics on this thread are responsible for that...

Different day. Same fraud.

This is my last day posting here.

It's too sad. All that going on her head, and no desire to help herself. I truly fear for her.

 

[Locknar]

While I am certain nobody here (or other forums) has taken the time to contact VFFs university (counselors, teachers, dorm housing, etc), I sincerely hope she gets the help she needs.

 

[desertgal]

Mrs Me has just looked at me very strangely. This is laugh out loud funny! Are you claiming to be a member of the Nobel committee? Or do you not comprehend that the awarder of an award is generally the one who gets to decide who is the awardee?

I laughed out loud at that, too. Is she assuming that she will have a place on the Nobel committee, or does she think that fellow nominees vote for their favorite?

The names submitted for consideration in each field are kept confidential to everyone but the Committee for 50 years, Anita. Unless you are on the Committee-and that is a stretch of your imagination-you won't know who appeared on the short list of candidates. And only the Committee selects the Medalist.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

I assume she just thinks it is a foregone conclusion that a scientist working on her ability must win it. Therefore by choosing the scientist, she is choosingthe winner.

 

[Akhenaten]

Post #1106 - general announcement

I've updated my main page www.visionfromfeeling.com

Post #1116

Your gratuitous sprinkling of that page with references and links to this site, and particularly to this thread, speaks volumes. I'd even be annoyed by it except that a foot-bullet like that provokes more pity than vexation.

Post #1277 - addressed to me

Please read the entire page on www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html as it answers what my expectations are of the study. Wow. I love referring to another page rather than simply just re-typing everything time and again.

Post #1283

I have, and commented on it. You'll catch up tomorrow, most likely.

Anyway, it says nothing that we aren't familiar with here, since it's basically a long reference back to this very thread.

Post #1302 - again addressed to me

Please read www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html before posting anything at all regarding my intentions behind the study.

Post #1309

You really don't want them to find out about this thread, do you? Do you understand yet why I consider your posting links to here on your website might be a footbullet? It's not much of a way to keep a secret.

Post #1311 - yet again addressed to me.

No. A study to see what ailments I claim to detect. Suitable ailments can then be selected from the list. Why can't you read the study.html doc.? I specificly asked you to read that page before you make any confused statements regarding my intentions with the study.

For the fourth time, Your Royal Arrogance:

I've read it.

May I continue posting now?

 

[desertgal]

I assume she just thinks it is a foregone conclusion that a scientist working on her ability must win it. Therefore by choosing the scientist, she is choosingthe winner.

Ah, I see. Have to admit, the size of her ego is awesome to behold.

 

[Ashles]

What about coming here and posting as a paranormal claimant makes my personal life available for your attack?

Your personal life is not being attacked. Stop being so melodramatic.
This is a paranormal claim and you are the claimant.
You have introduced quasi scientific explanations for your claim. These have not stood up to scrutiny. If you can't help how much you feel compelled to write then it's pointless complaining when we point out how some of your stories do not seem to agree with each other or that they seem illogical and unconvincing.
And your stories about why you suddenly claimed the requirements of secrecy are unconvincing.

I must ask you to stop posting further comment about my intentions of science applications from my perceptions and any content regarding my professors or university.

If I wish to post the entire content of any PM I have been sent which directly relates to the background of the paranormal claim you have made, I will do so.
Apart from the claim that another student stole your ideas (which should hardly be kept a secret), and you used your ideas already in an actual test (which your university would already be aware of, everything is already in this public thread. And posted by you.

This discussions thread by how it is represented by yourself and certain others is hardly an example of excellent scientific thought nor objective critical inquiry into unexplainable phenomena, and I refuse to allow any of this to reach over to my professional life or university both of which I hold in very high regard.

Well try and not to go on about it all the time then.
You brought up your scientific background. You brought up your ideas and theories. You mentioned these things to your own professors.. etc. etc.
Stop blaming everyone else for your own actions.

Of course I will not trust you with a private message again.

Exactly as I have requested both via PM and in this thread.

It means that some of your questions will remain unanswered.

And that will be a shocking change of pace. I'll just have to cope.

So when you ask something and I tell you that I have chosen not to elaborate, please stop asking time and time again and trying to turn that into something negative against me. Certain topics remain personal as well as irrelevant to our topic of my paranormal experience.

To make claims (that you didn't need to make) and then refuse to talk about them citing secrecy imply makes you appear lacking credibility.
They may be true, they may not. But without details it does not help your case.
It is again your choice to present yourself in this way. You cannot insist we view you in a particular way. We take the information as presented and form opinions.
Of course a test will render all that irrelevant... blah, blah, blah...

That is correct. I have asked that you skeptics allow that I have belief in my anecdotes and that is my opinion. However I have consistently stated that I do not expect any of you to take my anecdotes as evidence for yourselves.

You ask we accept that you believe the experiences are genuine.
Some here do (and I do) and some don't.
Again you cannot insist that everyone accepts your honesty at face value. You don't have to respond to anyone you don't have to or to anyone you think is being unfair. But you must accept that you simply won't change the opinions of some here.
And you are not going to change opinions with bullish behaviour.

I defend my experiences since they can not be washed away just because they are not proven for you. They remain having happened to me which is why I defend my choice to keep them.

Your choice of course.

I have absolutely never refused to accept that some of you don't believe my claims and stories. I've consistently stated that I understand that my anecdotes are not formal evidence that you guys could take part of. Please Ashles don't make me spend two hours again composing another post of my quotes! This time, why don't you go back a few pages and start reading before you accuse me of having beliefs and opinions that I just don't have.

Your posts seem to vary on this issue. Still I'm not really bothered. Spend the time if you feel you must, or leave it if you feel you have explained yourself adequately on the issue

If I want to correct misunderstandings that you guys posted in ways that were offensive and aimed as personal attack, then of course that makes me want to clear out the confusion. And if this is what I do, then since almost every post on this thread posted by you guys contains misunderstandings and false accusations... I am a very busy girl.
Winter Break. Once school starts (Monday), I will devote only a few hours a week to this. So if you guys post questions and comments to me, they'd better be good ones or they won't be answered!

And if you are going to answer please give clear information in as much detail as possible first time.
Also do not post anything you do not want to be questioned further about or do not want to discuss further. It's pointless.

 

[desertgal]

I agree with all that, desertgal. As for her thinking it's you or the other skeptics who are suffering delusions, I understand that most mental health workers get told several times a week that they are ill by patients who consider themselves entirely sane...

I can't help feeling very sorry for Anita, as I remember delusions to be utterly terrifying. Perhaps this explains her obsessional need to stay up all night and write screeds and screeds. The good news, as we well know, is that help is available and it doesn't have to be this way. Anita, please do seek medical help as soon as you can.

Terrifying, yes, and especially, in the way they can take over your life. I don't think Anita is at that point, but, without help, her delusions can only escalate.

It's been many years since I was diagnosed, and with treatment and extensive therapy, I have my disorder under control. My delusions are minimal now and, with the tools I've learned, I can put them in their proper perspective, and regulate them in the same way we all regulate our imaginations.

That said, though, I have not forgotten how completely dominant they once were. I'm sure Sleepy Lioness and Professor Yaffle can concur how certain symptoms can take over rational thought, behavior, etc, and how much self esteem and self image can revolve around the positive or negative feelings the symptoms create. They also can concur how much damage these types of things can inflict on, not only you, but the people around you.

What concerns me most, Anita, is that, if you are delusional, and I believe you are, then, without any treatment of whatever may be causing the symptom, you are going to end up so hurt. You will alienate people you love, and you will wound people without intending to. People don't always understand "delusional", Anita. They sometimes only see that they have been lied to or played for a fool, and it's hurtful, and, often, irreparable. It will isolate you, and it could harm you professionally.

I don't know what might be causing your symptoms, Anita, but they ARE there, and you truly do need to see a doctor.

I know, I know, I've said all this before...and I also know that I'm probably shouting into a hurricane, for all the good this might do...but I had to give it one last shot. Turning my nagging switch off.

 

[Ashles]

Ashles:
Post #1241. As a courtesy I would have hoped that you would have understood that for me to choose to send something to you in PM means that I have a personal reason not to want to share the information publicly on the thread. I would have preferred you not sharing this information on the thread. I do not want to involve my university in my paranormal investigation, and you are denying my rights to choose so. I only sent you this information to further explain why I choose not to share details about my ideas of vibrational information publicly on the thread, since you have expressed continuous urgency to understand the reasons behind that choice, but you have (unwillingly I'm sure) misused my intentions.

Don't confuse 'urgency' with 'persistence'.
I have explained my reasons in an earlier post.

ME: "Also this other student has been using the ideas in experiments."
Incorrect assumption again, Ashles, as this is not the case.

So you DO want to keep discussing this? Fine.

You wrote:

I expressed my ideas and interest in these areas of optics the professor was impressed and invited me to join his research team! But then this other student had to join and tries to impress with my ideas.

So the other student joined the project by use of impressing the Professor with your ideas? Or he joined on his own merit and then tried to impress using your ideas?
So how is this different from using your ideas in experiments.
If you do not wish to discuss this any further do not feel compelled to reply to this point.

ME: "and another student, who has also told Professors and is actually using these ideas in experiments"
No, Ashles. Not so.

See above.
If you do not wish to discuss this any further do not feel compelled to reply to this point.

ME: "These ideas are, according to Anita herself, already in the public domain and being used!"
Please Ashles stop doing what mostly seems like lying! "According to myself"? Not the least, since they are not being used. Why do you do this?

You wrote

once I expressed my ideas and interest in these areas of optics the professor was impressed and invited me to join his research team!

I assumed his being impressed uimplied he would be incorporating these ideas in some way.
I can see it is possible I misinterpreted that and the ideas were enough to impress him to allow you simply to join the project. Fair enough.
If you do not wish to discuss this any further do not feel compelled to reply to this point.

ME: "I think we can now safely say though that 'Vibrational Algebra' does not in any way involve algebra, or any maths at all."
Yes it does. In my perception I add or subtract vibrational aspects of things to obtain a resulting vibration. Simply by doing so I would consider it fair to lend the word algebra to describe what I do. But this refers to my perception and not to established mathematics.

The 'vibration' is not described by any meaningful scientific terminology or values that refer to any standard definition we have of 'vibration'. It is not a 'vibration' any more than aany image could be defined as one.
Therefore mathematical transformations cannot be applied to it.
Therefore it is not algebra.
It is a meaningless term of no value to this converstion. Any specifics that might allow it to become meaningful are claimed by you to be secret.
Therefore it remains meaningless.
If you do not wish to discuss this any further do not feel compelled to reply to this point.

ME: "Again I cannot state more clearly that you have done no such thing [provided examples of vibrational algebra]. You state now you have provide 'examples' - plural? Link to one. Provide the post number. Demonstrate this isn't a lie."
Post #1267. Next time you accuse me of lying and I then recommend you to see my earlier posts in this thread, why don't you spend the two hours to come up with the answer to your own question instead of bothering me with your disbelief and misconception that are not reality based.
Suspecting or even expecting me to be lying is ok, but stop concluding and believing that I'm lying when there is no evidence of that.
Post #1267.

I accept now that it wasn't a lie by you.
I have to admit I really didnt expect that you genuinely thought the posts you have linked to actually explain anything scientifically meaningful. But apparently you do. In which case, no I agree that was not a lie.
If you do not wish to discuss this any further do not feel compelled to reply to this point.

ME: "You also claim that you joined a project into which you introduced your ideas."
I have never claimed this.

I quote again from you

We have a physics professor who works on a project where laser is used to rearrange tungsten metal. I fell in love with the project as soon as I heard about it, and once I expressed my ideas and interest in these areas of optics the professor was impressed and invited me to join his research team!

I accept that this seems to be my misinterpretation of that quote. Although I don't think that is an entirely unreasonable (if incorrect) assumption to have made from reading that.
If you do not wish to discuss this any further do not feel compelled to reply to this point.

ME: "The more you write, the more contradictions and just plain illogical claims appear. That's why this thread is so fun!"
No Ashles, all we see are more and new examples of your misunderstandings. I'm glad you're having fun with your delusions, though.

You like to throw allegations made at you back at others don't you?

And I am capable of identifying my misunderstandings and have done. Can you think of anyone around here who appears to not be able to?

And I reiterate, if you do not wish to discuss any of these points any further do not feel compelled to reply to this post.

(By the way, it's a small point, but just for reference this Ashles is male.)

 

[Ashles]

Therefore, every single one of your anecdotes could be easily explained by cold reading. And by cold reading I mean prior knowledge and observation.

Minor point - prior knowledge is 'hot reading' or 'warm reading' when used with cold reading techniques.
Cold reading is trying to get info and hits with no knowledge about the subject other than what they give away during the reading.

Apologies if it has been mentioned in the billion posts before this.

 

[Uncayimmy]

In the absence of credible, acceptable proof it is reasonable and scientific to conclude you do not have synesthesia.

I don't think I agree. What if a patient wants to see a doctor to find out whether he has malaria. He has some symptoms but wants to confirm. The doctor comes out, looks at the patient, and says, "Well, we haven't taken any tests yet to confirm one way or the other, but fortunately there is something called "Locknar's Principle" that we are taught in medical college. In the absence of credible, acceptable proof it is reasonable and scientific to conclude you do not have malaria. So, I am happy to inform you that by "Locknar's Principle" I have just declared you well and you can go home." Locknar, how old are you?

Anita, you need some help in the analogy department. Let me try:

Patient: I think I have malaria!

Doctor: Why do you say that?

Patient: I've got fever, chills, headache, sweats and nausea.

Doctor: So does everyone in the lobby. It is the cold and flu season.

Patient: But I read this thing on the Internet that says most malaria patients in the USA contracted it while traveling abroad. I traveled abroad last summer.

Doctor: Where did you go?

Patient: Sweden.

Doctor: Go home and take some Nyquil, the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, fever, sleep better to feel better medicine. You don't have malaria.

Patient: I still say I have malaria because you have not proven that I don't. By the way, when I was waiting in the lobby I sensed that the middle-aged, heavy set guy sitting next to me has a blood sugar problem. He told me I was right. Amazing, huh?

Doctor: Well, we have a big flier in the lobby announcing that we're doing a drug trial for a diabetes medication, and he fits the demographic.

Patient: Well, there's no way I could have known any of that. You see, I just sensed the vibrational signatures of the chemicals in his bloodstream and determined that his glucose levels were way off from where they are supposed to be.

Doctor: Right. That's why he's here. He doesn't feel well at all. Didn't you see the nurse checking up on him?

Patient: Ah ha! I knew I was right. Did you know I have used the vibrational signatures of diabetes and various chemicals to perform Vibrational Algebra in my mind. I have invented a hypothesis to cure diabetes. I would share it with you, but I need to get full credit when we win the Nobel prize.

Doctor: Wow. That's pretty out of this world.

Patient: What do you expect? I am an extraterrestrial incarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus. It's that heritage which gives me these abilities. I can see down to the atomic level. I can detect bacteria and sense what insects and animals are thinking and communicating. And I have never been verified to be wrong.

Doctor: Have you shared this with anyone else?

Patient: Oh, yes. I have a website, and I contacted several skeptic groups about it. One group of skeptics has a bunch of people telling me I am delusional and that I should seek professional help for a diagnosis, but I don't think they are serious. Except for this one mean lady who has a schizotypal disorder herself, so what does she know?

Doctor: So, did you take their advice and see a mental health professional anyway?

Patient: Why would I do that? I'm not delusional. My perceptions are real. You just saw how I was able to detect the vibrational signatures of that man's blood and know that he had diabetes. There's no way I could have possibly known that.

Doctor: But you saw him checking is glucose levels with his...

Patient: No, I didn't. How can you say that? You weren't there.

Doctor: And there's the big flier about the diabetes study and he's overweight and...

Patient: That doesn't explain the images I saw. And these images match up with other images of what I know was diabetes. That is how I was able to use vibrational algebra to invent a hypothesis for curing diabetes. How could I do all that if it wasn't real?

Doctor: But you haven't proven anything. Everything you have described seeing sounds like good observational skills and a vivid imagination.

Patient: Well, it's just apparent accuracy then. It's not like I really believe all this stuff is true or act on it. I just want to test it and find out if it's real.

Doctor: Okay. So what is your hypothesis for curing diabetes.

Patient: I can't tell you because you might steal the idea and take all the credit. I want the Nobel for myself.

Doctor: Nobel prizes can only be awarded to humans. You said you were an Arcturian.

Patient: Well, that does present a problem. I think I will have to postpone my testing until I can figure out a way to ensure I get the prize.

Doctor: But you can still go on talk shows.

Patient: <giggling> That's great. I can't wait to tell David Letterman that I detect heart issues.

Doctor: But it has been widely reported that Letterman underwent heart surgery back in 2000.

Patient: Ah ha! Another hit! I have never been wrong.

Doctor: But it was in the news...

Patient: I was in Sweden in 2000. Swedes don't watch Letterman, so this is seemingly impossible for me to know. Besides, I saw the vibrational signature of the scar tissue. Even if I did know, that doesn't explain my ability to detect vibrational information.

Doctor: You've seen him in person?

Patient: No, just on TV. Where I will be someday.

Doctor: How does a TV transmit vibrational information on his scar or heart? It can't. You are not detecting any vibrational information about Letterman.

Patient: Well, my main claim is that I can do it with live persons. I have never been incorrect.

Doctor: Well, back to that vibrational algebra thing. Which of these pills over here are we using in the diabetes trial?

Patient: This one? No? How about this one? No? Okay, definitely this one. No? Hmmm...I am getting a headache and feeling nauseous. This testing is making me sick. I have to stop.

Doctor: You came in here feeling that way.

Patient: I might try testing again later, but my main claim is diagnosing live people. And I will win a Nobel for it. Or since Arcturians can't win them, the I will choose who should win it in my place. Maybe my boyfriend should get it. Did I can tell you I can taste exactly what he is tasting?

Doctor: Wait a sec...you actually taste what he's eating by sensing this vibrational information?

Patient: Yes. I can smell the inside of a stomach, too. I can hear red blood cells scraping against the walls of the blood vessels. I can also see, hear and speak with ghosts. One even pushed me.

Doctor: These sound like hallucinations. And everything else you have described is at best wishful thinking and at worst irrational and delusional. I am very concerned for you. Here, please schedule an appointment with this doctor. She's the best in the business.

Patient: You're not serious, are you?