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Now I see the Xtra special thread is up and the uninvited cannot comment without PMing one of the duo.
Isn't that special. This forum allows a new format to meet a poster's "special needs" to focus on some concrete questions about the claim and to answer people who pose questions about the inconsistencies and weasel escape clauses?
Sometimes you people are so wimpy you're pathetic.
 
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I like the idea of the special thread. It might yield more useful information. Meanwhile, non-pathetic non-wimps are still free to post here. Anita's still free to post here. I sincerely doubt that the new thread spells doom for this one. Post away.

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Why should a closed conversation be of any value? The person making the claims has not responded to a number of direct questions about the claims from a number of people. Why should restricting the questioner to one person with no special qualifications or reason to be asking the questions work better than a free for all? I would hope that people let them have their own tete a tete in private. No peeking, please.
 
They are having a conversation. You are allowed and encouraged to whisper in the ear of either participant. Peeking is encouraged. It wasn't my idea, but I don't see it as harmful. It's an experiment. There's an excellent chance that the experiment will yield nothing of value, but we can't know until we try.

Ward
 
She seems to enjoy posting both here and elsewhere. I don't know what purpose those posts served either. But whatever that purpose was/is, I think she'll still be around here. I could be completely wrong, but she likes posting----a lot.

Ward
 
Ward, here's the deal. The OPer spouted a number of tells buried in the huge mass of dreck spewed early on. The tells were caught and pointed out by a bunch of posters. They were ignored and the dreck continued.
So they can have a conversation. The OPer lays another one. I point it out to the converser, who has no idea what I am talking about, for instance.
Does the converser then PM me to ask what the frigg I'm yakking about or not? Doesn't this whole process strike you as a bit cumbersome and having the potential for censoring questions that are potentially valuable?
 
Your description might be exactly how it works out and the whole thing ends up being a bust. On the other hand, in a conversation with a single person, it's harder to hide from an important question. I'm certain that there are people in this thread who feel that their questions have gone unanswered. Anita can write and write and write and answer a whole bunch of questions, but never answer the important ones. There's no guarantee that the right questions will be asked in the new thread. There's no guarantee that your suggested questions will be asked. I'm proposing that the format will not allow anyone to hide under mountains of text and page after page of posts. It may not work. It may be a disaster. I just think it's worth a try and I see very little downside.

Ward
 
wardenclyffe said:
There's no guarantee that the right questions will be asked in the new thread. There's no guarantee that your suggested questions will be asked.
Ward
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I guess that's the downside, right there.

Other claimants have come on here with wild, unsubstantiated claims, and inconsistencies. They all had to sink or swim in free for all threads. They could answer questions, or not answer questions, but everyone was free to ask those questions.

Oh, well. Change is inevitable. As I said, good luck, UncaYimmy. :)
 
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wardenclyffe said:
Your description might be exactly how it works out and the whole thing ends up being a bust...
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Trust me, I've had these perceptions or strange feelings for over 60 years now. I get these aura type sensations that smell bad. There's something in the air. The OPer is either jerking you all around or is seriously deluded. I'm getting a B sound and a definite S. In my twelve year BPS program at Whatsmatta U. I have never been wrong about the things I was right about and this time I definitely predict that I will be right. Or maybe wrong, but if wrong, I will have predicted that it was a case that I would have been wrong about.
So sorry I can't communicate with you anymore right now, I have to take my final exam in Psychic Proctology, it's a no hands on lab test.
 
wardenclyffe said:
Your description might be exactly how it works out and the whole thing ends up being a bust. On the other hand, in a conversation with a single person, it's harder to hide from an important question. I'm certain that there are people in this thread who feel that their questions have gone unanswered. Anita can write and write and write and answer a whole bunch of questions, but never answer the important ones. There's no guarantee that the right questions will be asked in the new thread. There's no guarantee that your suggested questions will be asked. I'm proposing that the format will not allow anyone to hide under mountains of text and page after page of posts. It may not work. It may be a disaster. I just think it's worth a try and I see very little downside.

Ward
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I think you've explained it very well. I know I have been frustrated by the mountains of text. I have seen important questions ignored or responded to in only a cursory way while ancillary points are covered in overwhelming detail. I can't say that it's intentional on her part because anybody would struggle answering so many questions and accusations at one time.

Will this work to get us the answers we're after? I dunno. I do know that a month and 700+ posts later in this thread we're no closer than when we started, so I can't make things any worse.

If I do a decent job, then any deliberate evasiveness will be revealed. Contradictions will either be explained or exposed. And in the end I hope to have an agreement about testing and judging the results. I think that's what we all want.
 
( with no animosity toward you UncaYimmy )
I dunno. I do know that a month and 700+ posts later in this thread we're no closer than when we started...
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Do tell ? And why do you think that is ?
The violin player refuses to play ..

There is an old Chinese proverb that says " Take a dump or get off the pot . "

Something smells, and it ain't the pot ...
 
Jeff,

First off, the request for a special thread was made by me, not Anita. She's not getting special treatment. If anyone is, *I* am. Why me? Because I took the initiative to ask for it (see the Forum Management forum under "Unusual Request").

Why didn't I just conduct the interview off-line and post the results? For one thing, I wanted it to be entirely in the open. I also wanted input from people here as the interview progressed. I didn't want to hear, "you should have asked her..." or "why didn't you catch this contradiction..." type of questions (counting on you, DesertGal).

Second, there's no censorship whatsoever. You can ask whatever you want whenever you want, just not in one particular thread. Anita can choose to answer or not answer. She already does that in this thread and others. The difference is that in this thread non-answers and incomplete answers are lost and often forgotten in a deluge of text. That will be much more difficult in the proposed format.

Will Anita stop participating in other threads once this one starts? Who knows? I seriously doubt it based on her past behavior. If she does, it won't be because I am pitching her softballs and not asking her the hard questions.

Will I ask every question suggested to me? Of course not. That would defeat the purpose. I'm not going to be a conduit. I will use my best judgment based on my own ideas and that of others. If I fail in my job as interviewer, it will be because of my poor judgment, not because I simply repeated every question anybody suggested. I'm hoping people here will support my efforts.

This, of course, leads to the inevitable question of, "who the heck are you to be asking the questions?" Like I said, I came up with the idea and asked if it could be done. Nobody else did. That's why I am doing it. Also, Anita believes I will be fair.

What I think people might be wondering is how good of a job am I gonna do? My first reaction is, "Does it matter? The wheels are in motion. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. Why fuss over it now?"

My second reaction is to suggest that you look at my posts in this thread and the Vision From Feeling Protocol thread. I was one of the first to write a detailed protocol for Anita's chemical tests. I submitted several pictures of myself and challenged her to read them. In the process I shared a lot of personal information about my health.

In the protocol thread I took it upon myself to create a two-page health questionnaire with over 100 ailments so that Anita could use it at the skeptics meeting she was attending the next day. I've also suggested a number of other ways she could confirm or disprove her abilities without great expenditures of time and effort.

None of that makes me the most qualified person here to conduct the interview, but I think it demonstrates a thoroughness on my part and a pit bull like approach to cutting to the chase. I think those are two important qualities in conducting the interview.

I'm sure there are others here who could do just as well or better than I. What was I supposed to do? Call for an election and ask people to campaign? And since Anita would have had to agree to her interviewer, that would have sparked another round of discussions. Would that have made things any better?

Let's just see how it goes, shall we?
 
desertgal said:
Other claimants have come on here with wild, unsubstantiated claims, and inconsistencies. They all had to sink or swim in free for all threads. They could answer questions, or not answer questions, but everyone was free to ask those questions.
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Look at it this way: I could do the same interview technique via private messages and nobody else could ask any questions there. I could then post the results. Or not. I might post the whole exchange or edit it to suit my fancy. The claimant could stop posting in other threads or not.

What I have proposed is similar to a private interview except that all correspondence is done out in the open. Instead of looking at it as a public thread taken private, think of it as a private thread taken public. You're not being kept out - you're being let in. And you have the added bonus of being able to whisper in my ear.

Oh, well. Change is inevitable. As I said, good luck, UncaYimmy. :)
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Thanks. I hope it's productive. And I hope you are among the people whispering in my ear.
 
UncaYimmy said:
Look at it this way: I could do the same interview technique via private messages and nobody else could ask any questions there. I could then post the results. Or not. I might post the whole exchange or edit it to suit my fancy. The claimant could stop posting in other threads or not.

What I have proposed is similar to a private interview except that all correspondence is done out in the open. Instead of looking at it as a public thread taken private, think of it as a private thread taken public. You're not being kept out - you're being let in. And you have the added bonus of being able to whisper in my ear.



Thanks. I hope it's productive. And I hope you are among the people whispering in my ear.
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Fair enough. :)

You'll have to wait on the whispering, though - I think I climbed the Everest of contradiction comparisons yesterday. :D
 
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desertgal:
Honey bring me the quote where I say that most people in the town where I grew up were aware of the alleged ability, because this is untrue and I would need to go back and change the statement.
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Just to clarify, since you did ask:

Post #555: "Don't forget that I am from a humble little town in Sweden. People who've known me my entire life don't think anything about me is unusual, they are used to it."

My interpretation was that you mentioned this humble town to indicate most people there were aware of your alleged ability, and unimpressed by it. I know the thread has moved on, and I don't mean to backtrack, but I realized that I may have misinterpreted that statement, and wanted to apologize if I did.

(And, please, don't call me "Honey". No offense intended, it just bugs me.)
 
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Yes, you did. You did so by even beginning this thread. You had the expectation that you could come here, post a link to your website, and people here would offer you analysis on those "observations" and help you develop a protocol for testing. If you didn't expect any of us to take them as evidence, since they were all you had to offer, you wouldn't have come here in the first place.

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Yes, great work, desertgal. Good analysis and cogent conclusion.


M.
 
desertgal said:
Just to clarify, since you did ask:

Post #555: "Don't forget that I am from a humble little town in Sweden. People who've known me my entire life don't think anything about me is unusual, they are used to it."

My interpretation was that you mentioned this humble town to indicate most people there were aware of your alleged ability, and unimpressed by it. I know the thread has moved on, and I don't mean to backtrack, but I realized that I may have misinterpreted that statement, and wanted to apologize if I did.

(And, please, don't call me "Honey". No offense intended, it just bugs me.)
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I dunno..like everything else it needs to be clarified (ie. cleaned up).

If VFF had left it at "People who've known me my entire life don't think anything about me is unusual" I'd agree that you may have misinterpreted what she said.

However, the "they are use to it" is the kicker that needs to be clarified. If folks in general are not witting to the ability - what exactly are they use to in the context of what VFF wrote?
 
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