Vision From Feeling

[LONGTABBER PE]

Thanks. I was hoping to find some use of that jargon, but if it was "back in the day" that would explain why I didn't see it.


But that's not what she did. In fact Anita seems to be one of those people who can't let it go.


Neither am I. That's why this is so difficult.


Actually, that's not quite true. There is something HUGE that you are missing: the actual scam. We don't have any victims nor have we seen her even approach a likely victim. No money has exchanged hands. The only "offer" is an off-hand comment about selling her one and only drawing (her hand) for $5. And there's not even a way to buy it if you wanted to.

Correct me if I am wrong, of course, but your investigations started with the scam. I'm guessing you weren't asked to investigate some woman who swore she was married to Davey Jones but never actually got within 100 feet of the guy.


Nobody really knows what anybody believes. We can certainly identify inconsistencies between stated beliefs and actions, but sometimes that is nothing more than hypocrisy, a sin for which we could all be convicted.

You do bring up a good point about why she didn't "investigate" the claims before now. This, too, could be explained by a delusion. For all we know the delusion really didn't take hold until 18 months ago. Or maybe it escalated, which, as I understand it, is not all that uncommon. Maybe she's just retrofitting her delusion to things in her past or even making up stories. Or maybe her need for attention wasn't being met when she started school - it can be hard making friends in a new place. So she decided to branch out.


Publicity or attention? It's consistent with certain personality disorders to seek out only those the person judges worthy.


Your prediction, then, is that an actual money-making scam is going to take place sometime in the future. And she will stop dealing with skeptics or students and instead approach the gullible of this world for fun and profit, claiming her ability is real.

As for innocence, I never meant to imply any such thing. If I see Anita parlaying this into a money making operation, my opinion will change dramatically.


To be quite honest, I find that unfathomable. I could understand a 90-10 split in favor of fraud, but not 100-0, especially when no actual fraud has been committed.

Lets go down the list here

>>>Thanks. I was hoping to find some use of that jargon, but if it was "back in the day" that would explain why I didn't see it.

Back in my day, it was much easier but then somebody drafted that Constitution and Bill of Rights and everything got complicated from then on

>>>But that's not what she did. In fact Anita seems to be one of those people who can't let it go.

Well, heres where we havent seen the end result yet. So, I have to acknowledge that the legitimate possibility this is nothing more than a person feeding a delusion for nothing more than self gratification. The deciding factor isnt where its been but where its going and that chapter hasnt been written yet.

>>>Actually, that's not quite true. There is something HUGE that you are missing: the actual scam. We don't have any victims nor have we seen her even approach a likely victim. No money has exchanged hands. The only "offer" is an off-hand comment about selling her one and only drawing (her hand) for $5. And there's not even a way to buy it if you wanted to.

No I didnt miss it. I actually take it into account. ( see statement above) Scams are like crops. The scam has to be conceived, planned, grow and then payoff. ( its the difference between the local scammer and the professional ones) VFF, regardless of being caught in lies etc , isnt stupid. I feel this is the beta scam in field testing.

>>>Correct me if I am wrong, of course, but your investigations started with the scam. I'm guessing you weren't asked to investigate some woman who swore she was married to Davey Jones but never actually got within 100 feet of the guy.

Thats it but remember, to a great degree, "lies" and false claims are protected speech under the 1st Amendment. ( except in certain cases where the USSC has defined it) Its often how the lie is "dressed up" and carefully phrased thats the difference.

I see this all over what she is doing.

>>>I think the key here is that the delusion itself has to include the belief that the action is not a crime.

Thats correct but to a point. You can add "justified" to it. ( moves to intent)

I had a case where a car was stolen from a man. The thief needed it to get to work and such. He repaired it and it was actually in "better" condition when recovered than when stolen. He "knew" his actions were wrong but justified his reason by his circumstance and claimed he "intended" to return the car. He convinced a jury of that and was aquitted. ( to the absolute surprise to myself, the prosecutor, the victim and the judge) ( just to show you how a jury can react to a strong belief and what I considered a well constructed sob story in complete contradiction to the letter and essence of the law)

The way I see VFF talking and spinning ( and building a history by her older claims) she could convince the "right" jury if challenged. Thats why I think she has done her homework and putting all the necessary building blocks in place.

>>>Her delusion is that she believes this to be 100% accurate information. Her delusion is not that she has a medical license that entitles her engage in that activity. Therefore, her delusion would not be a defense.

Now, if she believed she was a doctor, that would be a completely different story. She would probably be involuntarily committed because she would be considered a harm to others.

Actually, thats backwards, if she claimed to be a doctor ( or any other licensed professional like me being a PE) then thats outright fraud ( criminal) and in that case, she BETTER have a medical condition that could be proven or she would be toast.

Her "delusion" could be an effective defense AS LONG AS she makes no definite, clear and iron clad ( and provable) claim that her "information" is NOT a medical diagnisis. ( you see that with psychic hotlines, this new psychic "money management" and on all woo health infomercials.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

On a side note I have contacted the North Carolina Attorney General in regards to the apparent fraud Brent Atwater. She has disclaimers saying that she's not a doctor, but it seems to me that even if you're not a doctor, you can't act like one. You can't say, "Brent's distinguished peer reviewed and respected international medical intuitive diagnosis, medical intuitive readings and energy healing work has client results and is documented and published" and then claim what you are doing is not medical in nature.

She is perfectly legal ( not legitimate mind you) and I believe thats a VFF prototype. ( Where she is going to end up)

If the NCAG doesnt give you a good answer, I will. Her site is the same skillful nondescript legally checked wordsmithing that I expect to eventually see from VFF.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Dear Skeptics,
Since I have a valid excuse of being very busy with my college studies at the moment, those of you who have criticized the study procedure that I have designed and compared it to the one that was designed by UncaYimmy, those of you who are very well-informed on both study designs - could you tell me in what ways mine was worse than his, or his was better than mine, for the purpose of learning more about the specifics of the claim? If I agree on advantages of his over mine I will of course incorporate those into my study design.

Here is mine: StudyProcedure-FACT Version, http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4315843&postcount=991StudyHealthQuestionnaire-FACT Version
And here is UncaYimmy's: #983, #991

Oh, and I have a question: What do you think the reasons are for why the FACT Group (or perhaps godofpie/Jim, in particular) disapproved of my study design but would have undertaken UncaYimmy's design?

I do apologize, I have to study physics so I don't have time to study our study procedures! Also I thought mine were better for the purpose of the study of learning more about the paranormal claim! But, thanks guys!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

LONGTABBER PE:

Not at all, a con that gets caught "switching gears" has admitted they are frauds. Its normal for them to act aloof and simply disregard counter commentary and continue on their course. Especially in a case like this where there is no accountability.

I am being very careful in my investigation into my unusual experience. You see, it would be too easy for some of you to simply dismiss what reasons I have for investigating something. It is too easy and tempting for a skeptic to say, "Oh well, it was just cold reading." or, "Oh well, it didn't happen like you say that it did." But then those assumptions are made without those skeptics having witnessed what my experiences were. So I do defend my stance of having this investigation in the first place. So there is an extent of disregarding on my behalf. I will not be discouraged from my investigation, or told to just drop it, when I have had the experiences that I need to investigate in order to explain, and those of you who would like to drop it entirely simply were not there.

Heres the thing. We dont know "what" she believes but if her "experiences" are as she accounts- its odd that never before has she ever gone "public" or tried to test them before now ( and in such a public venue). Something motivated her to do it "now" as opposed to say 5-10 years ago.

And why is that suspicious? At what point should I have become compelled to investigate? At the tender age of 14 when it first began? That is too young for most people to realize to begin to investigate objectively and scientifically into an experience. If so, then what age would be that "magic number" when suddenly a person realizes "I've got to look into this! Scientifically! Now!"? At the age of 18? 21? Or how about at the age of 24, as was in my case?

As for "going public" I have always considered the medical perceptions to be personal to me and also to be quite normal to me. Some of what compelled me to begin to investigate them when I did is that I am now a science student and that changes somewhat the outlook on life and I think this is an interesting case where I can practise the scientific method. If I had another person with the same unusual experience of perceiving accurate medical information I might be just as curious to investigate them. I am very research oriented.

Also, she wanted publicity because she started her self promoting website and came here. She didn"react" to skeptics, she sought them out.

The reason I initiated contact with "the skeptics" was because I thought that if I have the test with the IIG then my investigation would become publicly known so I might as well start the discussions myself and also engage in them so that people don't have to just talk behind my back but that I could answer questions as well.

I am not promoting myself. I am promoting my unusual experience of medical perceptions and the scientific investigation of them. Also, I am not some woo who tries to avoid skeptics, science, truth and objectivity who would have some tricks or frauds to hide. I have been and will continue to be very open and honest about my experience and about how it works.

Theres an agenda and a plan here. Also, just going by some of what you said ( which I see your points) almost everyone i ever arrested would be "delusional" and probably innocent by mental defect.

The agenda and plan is to establish what is the true and actual correlation between my medical perceptions and with the actual health of persons as well as to find the source of the information. Skeptical organizations such as the IIG might only be interested in finding out whether I can do what I claim to or not, whereas the investigation into the mechanics of the ability would have to be referred to organizations with other interests.

"Arrested"? Am I in trouble?

I dont see deludsional here at all.

OH NO!! Finally when someone says what I've been waiting to hear from one of you since I'm not allowed to say it myself - you've spelled it all wrong!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

UncaYimmy:

I'm no lawyer, but I think the key here is that the delusion itself has to include the belief that the action is not a crime. Assume for the sake of argument that in the state of North Carolina it would be considered a crime for Anita to accept $50 in exchange for telling someone that she can see his heart is clogged with fat and that he must stop eating peanut oil.

I am not a licenced physician and I am not allowed to dispense medical diagnose to persons. I have only shared my medical perceptions with people I know and in a very careful manner and only for educational purposes for me to try to establish the correlation, while emphasizing to the persons that I may be wrong so therefore disregard all what I've perceived. I will not be accepting money from people for psychic medical diagnose, nor will I offer public psychic medical diagnose especially since my ability has not been verified and could be wrong without anyone realizing it. I would also not run a business without registering a company first. I am building my career and this paranormal investigation is just a hobby on my spare time.

Her delusion is that she believes this to be 100% accurate information. Her delusion is not that she has a medical license that entitles her engage in that activity. Therefore, her delusion would not be a defense.

Ahem. I've said that I've had 100% apparent accuracy in the past, which includes that a person could have been lying or mistaken about their health and leading to false accuracy that I could not have detected as false and also includes that unintended cold reading could have been available for some of the cases. And in the reading with Wayne I made no incorrect medical perceptions. I have not been confirmed inaccurate a single time yet and that is not a delusion. It does not mean that I am not open for future inaccuracy to be encountered.

On a side note I have contacted the North Carolina Attorney General in regards to the apparent fraud Brent Atwater.

O-M-G!! "Full Body Scan, a detailed physical description & evaluation $ 1100.00" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alright you skeptics! Please give me some credit! Even if I were fully convinced that I had such an ability you don't see me offering psychic medical readings and for money such as this! Come on guys, get real!!! How do I feel when I see that someone "like me" is making such money for what I could do too? I felt appalled, scared, shocked. I was thinking of the little old ladies with health problems who I would first of all read for free on my spare time while having a career for income, and secondly I wouldn't read them because what they need is a proper MRI (go Medical Imaging!) from which reliable conclusions about health can be made. You should not conclude on health problems if there is no formal evidence that all can share not just seen by one person and you can not declare someone healthy by the same standards. What if she'd be wrong? Someone could die of undiagnosed cancer? Or someone could be sent to a real MRI that costs much more than this and not have needed one?

Skeptics, please realize that I am applying the scientific method to my unusual experience of medical perceptions. Please realize that I am not conducting a scam or working my way into the woo economy. I am a respectable woman working hard on my science career and seeking a scientific explanation to what I experience. You skeptics and me the paranormal claimant are actually on the same side. I just happen to have an unusual experience, but that itself does not immediately make me a woo. Please, I'm trying to be "one of you".

 

[Locknar]

Since I have a valid excuse of being very busy with my college studies at the moment, those of you who have criticized the study procedure that I have designed and compared it to the one that was designed by UncaYimmy, those of you who are very well-informed on both study designs - could you tell me in what ways mine was worse than his, or his was better than mine, for the purpose of learning more about the specifics of the claim?

This has already been explained to you; you don't listen.

Skeptics please realize that I am applying the scientific method to my unusual experience of medical perceptions.

No, you're not.

 

[Pup]

And in the reading with Wayne I made no incorrect medical perceptions.

So did he actually have a tired left shoulder or not? What did he say?

 

[Ashles]

Dear Skeptics,
Since I have a valid excuse of being very busy with my college studies at the moment, those of you who have criticized the study procedure that I have designed and compared it to the one that was designed by UncaYimmy, those of you who are very well-informed on both study designs - could you tell me in what ways mine was worse than his, or his was better than mine, for the purpose of learning more about the specifics of the claim? If I agree on advantages of his over mine I will of course incorporate those into my study design.

No you won't.

There is no point in explaining better experimental procedures to you because you won't pay the slightest bit of notice.
And it should be obvious why his were better than yours. I'm amazed you have to ask. Do they give out 'A's at the U of Carolina simply for good attendance?

Here's a clue - his experimental design had a point. He had decided what he wanted to investigate beforehand and designed an experimental procedure from that starting point. The design came after the desire to learn something specific.
What point did you start from? What were you hoping to learn? What goals did you have? How were you objectively measuring those goals?
Clearly you first randomly created a study and then wondered how it might be interpreted to measure anything. Even the goal of a falsification scenario had nothing in place by which to be measured. And so was ditched.
Staggeringly poor design.

Everyone is fed up with trying to give you assistance you pretend to want but then never take.
So you're on your own now with your study design.

Which is moot anyway as no-one who might be considered as reliable independent adjudicators will work with you on your designs as they are simply too poor to be anything but a waste of their time.

Still I'm sure you'l have a fun day out with the students.
Unless they reject the farce too and you'll only be left with friends and family to work with... and you'll have come full circle.

That sound you can hear... that's your claim winding down to a standstill.

 

[Gmonster2]

Wow, you are stuck on this Wayne reading like an Alabama tic!

You said as well as medical perceptions you perceive discomforts its even on your new health study form as a separate section DISCOMFORTS.

You said Wayne had a tired left shoulder and a discomfort in the throat area.

You were dead wrong !

So you are wrong on discomforts twice already but not on medical perceptions ok? happy now...

One question, why are you afraid to use UncaYimmy's form??

 

[Ashles]

UncaYimmy:
Ahem. I've said that I've had 100% apparent accuracy in the past, which includes that a person could have been lying or mistaken about their health and leading to false accuracy that I could not have detected as false and also includes that unintended cold reading could have been available for some of the cases. And in the reading with Wayne I made no incorrect medical perceptions. I have not been confirmed inaccurate a single time yet and that is not a delusion. It does not mean that I am not open for future inaccuracy to be encountered.

Untrue.

He didn't have a tired left shoulder, so you were wrong.
You reported the "tired left shoulder" so it was significant enough to mention.
You did not write that you sensed an "adam's apple" so that is a lie. You wrote that you sensed throat discomfort. Which was wrong.
Every man has an adam's apple so your claim to have detected something that every healthy man is known to have, is stupid and demonstrates how blatantly you refuse to accept being wrong. This also shows how little point there is for anyone to even attempt to try and work wih you in developing a test protocol. There are of course loads of other reasons too.
I am happy to copy and paste that as many times as you are prepared to lie about the results of that incident.

 

[Jonquill]

Anita, why don't you just do the test as UncaYimmy designed it?

If you can do what you claim, the test would be easy for you.

Your test is just a guessfest.

 

[desertgal]

 

[Gmonster2]

Desertgal I find your signature very apt for this thread and claimant

Jonquill , nicely put ....

 

[Jeff Corey]

... Do they give out 'A's at the U of Carolina simply for good attendance?..

Probably not, it's a well respected university. But is is clear that they award Fs to people who don't attend classes without a valid reason for an official withdrawal.
You see, an official withdrawal would result in the course not counting at all in the student's GPA, thus preserving the 4.0 average. Usually there is a cut-off date for getting an official withdrawal, but usually a department chair or dean can grant one if the professor throws things at the students or screams at them to leave the class or wears his underwear on his head .

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

LONGTABBER PE:
I am being very careful in my investigation into my unusual experience. You see, it would be too easy for some of you to simply dismiss what reasons I have for investigating something. It is too easy and tempting for a skeptic to say, "Oh well, it was just cold reading." or, "Oh well, it didn't happen like you say that it did." But then those assumptions are made without those skeptics having witnessed what my experiences were. So I do defend my stance of having this investigation in the first place. So there is an extent of disregarding on my behalf. I will not be discouraged from my investigation, or told to just drop it, when I have had the experiences that I need to investigate in order to explain, and those of you who would like to drop it entirely simply were not there.
And why is that suspicious? At what point should I have become compelled to investigate? At the tender age of 14 when it first began? That is too young for most people to realize to begin to investigate objectively and scientifically into an experience. If so, then what age would be that "magic number" when suddenly a person realizes "I've got to look into this! Scientifically! Now!"? At the age of 18? 21? Or how about at the age of 24, as was in my case?

As for "going public" I have always considered the medical perceptions to be personal to me and also to be quite normal to me. Some of what compelled me to begin to investigate them when I did is that I am now a science student and that changes somewhat the outlook on life and I think this is an interesting case where I can practise the scientific method. If I had another person with the same unusual experience of perceiving accurate medical information I might be just as curious to investigate them. I am very research oriented.
The reason I initiated contact with "the skeptics" was because I thought that if I have the test with the IIG then my investigation would become publicly known so I might as well start the discussions myself and also engage in them so that people don't have to just talk behind my back but that I could answer questions as well.

I am not promoting myself. I am promoting my unusual experience of medical perceptions and the scientific investigation of them. Also, I am not some woo who tries to avoid skeptics, science, truth and objectivity who would have some tricks or frauds to hide. I have been and will continue to be very open and honest about my experience and about how it works.
The agenda and plan is to establish what is the true and actual correlation between my medical perceptions and with the actual health of persons as well as to find the source of the information. Skeptical organizations such as the IIG might only be interested in finding out whether I can do what I claim to or not, whereas the investigation into the mechanics of the ability would have to be referred to organizations with other interests.

"Arrested"? Am I in trouble?
OH NO!! Finally when someone says what I've been waiting to hear from one of you since I'm not allowed to say it myself - you've spelled it all wrong!

Here we go

>>>I am being very careful in my investigation into my unusual experience.

No, you are being very coy and evasive- we both know why

>>>You see, it would be too easy for some of you to simply dismiss what reasons I have for investigating something.

I see quite clearly and your reasons are simple. You know you are pulling a scam and you are smart enough to not get backed into a corner. I know it and so do you.

>>>It is too easy and tempting for a skeptic to say, "Oh well, it was just cold reading." or, "Oh well, it didn't happen like you say that it did." But then those assumptions are made without those skeptics having witnessed what my experiences were.

The problem is, I'm not a "skeptic"- I'm a seasoned investigator and PhD. I see you for exactly what you are. ( go back to an earlier post of mine- show you "have" abilities in the first place, then do a "study")

You havent fooled me and your obfuscations dont work.

>>>And why is that suspicious?

Because I have dealt with your kind before

>>>At what point should I have become compelled to investigate? At the tender age of 14 when it first began? That is too young for most people to realize to begin to investigate objectively and scientifically into an experience. If so, then what age would be that "magic number" when suddenly a person realizes "I've got to look into this! Scientifically! Now!"? At the age of 18? 21? Or how about at the age of 24, as was in my case?

I dont know who you think you are BS'ing but I'm not one of them.

>>>As for "going public" I have always considered the medical perceptions to be personal to me and also to be quite normal to me.

You dont have a problem advertising them- here and your site and your bogus test

>>>Some of what compelled me to begin to investigate them when I did is that I am now a science student and that changes somewhat the outlook on life and I think this is an interesting case where I can practise the scientific method.

Good, heres where the rubber meets the road. Step 1 in the "scientific method" is to ESTABLISH you have an "ability" to study. Anything short of that is a scam.( you cant fool someone that has 10,000 times your knowledge and experience) You are obfuscating.

>>>The reason I initiated contact with "the skeptics" was because I thought that if I have the test with the IIG then my investigation would become publicly known so I might as well start the discussions myself and also engage in them so that people don't have to just talk behind my back but that I could answer questions as well.

No, you contacted "them" to win a blog war ( with no accountability) and to get your name out there. If you wanted to "contact" someone with legitimate research, there are MD's ( those are medical doctors) and plenty of qualified professionals out there. You didnt. We both know why.

>>>I am not promoting myself

BULLSH!T

>>>I am promoting my unusual experience of medical perceptions and the scientific investigation of them. Also, I am not some woo who tries to avoid skeptics, science, truth and objectivity who would have some tricks or frauds to hide.
You are lying thru your azz. Show us the TEST that establishes you have an ability in the first place

>>>I have been and will continue to be very open and honest about my experience and about how it works.

You LIE like a rug

>>>The agenda and plan is to establish what is the true and actual correlation between my medical perceptions and with the actual health of persons as well as to find the source of the information.

Your "agenda" is to make money

>>>Skeptical organizations such as the IIG might only be interested in finding out whether I can do what I claim to or not, whereas the investigation into the mechanics of the ability would have to be referred to organizations with other interests.

Spare me your lying tripe, you want "legitimacy" go to the AMA. You wont, we both know why

>>>I can do what I claim to or not, whereas the investigation into the mechanics of the ability would have to be referred to organizations with other interests.

The wheels on the bus go round and round

 

[Farencue]

Dear Skeptics,
Since I have a valid excuse of being very busy with my college studies at the moment, those of you who have criticized the study procedure that I have designed and compared it to the one that was designed by UncaYimmy, those of you who are very well-informed on both study designs - could you tell me in what ways mine was worse than his, or his was better than mine, for the purpose of learning more about the specifics of the claim? If I agree on advantages of his over mine I will of course incorporate those into my study design.
People like you Anita always need an advantage don’t you? I thought you were a science student. But yes we know you have a very valid EXCUSE, so don’t worry its all cool.
Oh, and I have a question: What do you think the reasons are for why the FACT Group (or perhaps godofpie/Jim, in particular) disapproved of my study design but would have undertaken UncaYimmy's design?
Instead of throwing another red herring into this thread Anita, why don’t you simply ask them? I mean they are wonderful people aren’t they?
I do apologize, I have to study physics so I don't have time to study our study procedures! Also I thought mine were better for the purpose of the study of learning more about the paranormal claim! But, thanks guys!
You don’t have time to study the study but you thought yours was better. Oh I get it, yep.
could you tell me in what ways mine was worse than his, or his was better than mine, for the purpose of learning more about the specifics of the claim?
Why did you ask this question if it has been explained to you in thousands of words? Surely you are not trying to confuse people?
I think this is an interesting case where I can practise the scientific method. If I had another person with the same unusual experience of perceiving accurate medical information I might be just as curious to investigate them. I am very research oriented.
I suggest you pop on over to the Rhine Research Center Anita. They have lots of experience with people like you. Don’t worry Im sure they practise the scientific method and are very research oriented too, maybe not as good as you, but they might pass muster.
The reason I initiated contact with "the skeptics" was because I thought that if I have the test with the IIG then my investigation would become publicly known so I might as well start the discussions myself and also engage in them so that people don't have to just talk behind my back but that I could answer questions as well.
The latest IIG update suggests they still don’t have a clue what you are talking about (claiming) so I don’t think there is any danger of a test.
Skeptical organizations such as the IIG might only be interested in finding out whether I can do what I claim to or not
Anita, the IIG don’t know what your claim is. When will you enlighten them?
"Arrested"? Am I in trouble?
Pfft, dont worry about that now Anita, if you ever get arrested you will know you are in trouble, no need to ask us - the nice police officer will tell you him/herself.
I would also not run a business without registering a company first.
Im so glad you put my mind at rest – I wouldn’t want you to get into trouble.
I am building my career and this paranormal investigation is just a hobby on my spare time.
Yeah what a bummer you don’t have more time to put into your paranormal investigation. But, career comes first!
Ahem. I've said that I've had 100% apparent accuracy in the past, which includes that a person could have been lying or mistaken about their healthAnita, you have such a funny way with words, rather delightful in fact. Imagine! You accusing people of lying – well I never.
How do I feel when I see that someone "like me" is making such money for what I could do too?
Gee Anita, I know it upsets you that someone like you is making lots of money doing such an appalling thing. But you don’t have to worry, after all you are not claiming to be a professional giving out medical advice - it is only a hobby that you don’t really have a lot of time for.
I was thinking of the little old ladies with health problems who I would first of all read for free on my spare time while having a career for income, and secondly I wouldn't read them because what they need is a proper MRI (go Medical Imaging!)
Im so glad I understand where you are coming from Anita – you wont be charging heaps of money because its just a hobby on the side - you will read little old ladies for free in that capacity while you also have a professional career. Oh wait, you wont read them because they need a proper MRI. That sounds like medical advice. Careful, you don’t want little old you getting into trouble.
Or someone could be sent to a real MRI that costs much more than this and not have needed one?
Dont upset yourself Anita - in Australia, at least, only a medical doctor can order an MRI, not people like yourself.
Skeptics, please realize that I am applying the scientific method to my unusual experience of medical perceptions.
If only these wonderful skeptics would realise. Dont they know thats all they have to do? Why do they analyse and apply their knowledge and stuff Anita, you know like science stuff, so tiresome really.
I am a respectable woman working hard on my science career and seeking a scientific explanation to what I experience.
Such a shame that you need to convince us of this Anita. Shame we just can’t see it for ourselves.
You skeptics and me the paranormal claimant are actually on the same side. I just happen to have an unusual experience, but that itself does not immediately make me a woo. Please, I'm trying to be "one of you".
I suggest you collaborate with UncaYimmy and Ashles on the study Anita, least we might think you are not one of them.

 

[desertgal]

I will not be accepting money from people for psychic medical diagnose

I predict the evolution of that statement:
"I will accept money for psychic medical diagnose, but I will donate it to charity."
"I will donate a portion of it to charity."
"I don't have to disclose how much I gave to charity. That's private."
"Shut up. I earned it and I'm keeping it."

...nor will I offer public psychic medical diagnose especially since my ability has not been verified and could be wrong without anyone realizing it.

"Except, of course, to draw babies in the womb."

I would also not run a business without registering a company first.

"Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone said, but let me throw in a non sequitur to look a little ethical."

I am building my career...

You graduated from college already?

Come on guys, get real!!!

You go first.

How do I feel when I see that someone "like me" is making such money for what I could do too? I felt appalled, scared, shocked...

"...they might beat me to that Nobel."

I was thinking of the little old ladies with health problems who I would first of all read for free on my spare time while having a career for income, and secondly I wouldn't read them because what they need is a proper MRI (go Medical Imaging!) from which reliable conclusions about health can be made. You should not conclude on health problems if there is no formal evidence that all can share not just seen by one person and you can not declare someone healthy by the same standards. What if she'd be wrong? Someone could die of undiagnosed cancer? Or someone could be sent to a real MRI that costs much more than this and not have needed one?

"Unless I recite my oral disclaimer. Then it's okay."

Skeptics, please realize that I am applying the scientific method to my unusual experience of medical perceptions.

When? Where?

Please realize that I am not conducting a scam or working my way into the woo economy.

"At least, not till after our fun day out in the park..."

Scam or delusion. It's a coin toss.

I am a respectable woman...

It's okay. We didn't believe Richard Nixon when he said he wasn't a crook, either.

You skeptics and me the paranormal claimant are actually on the same side.

You think you're a fraud, too?

I just happen to have an unusual experience, but that itself does not immediately make me a woo.

Not immediately-it took 60 pages and a whole lot of back pedaling, evasions, lies, obfuscations, and bogus delays to prove your "woo"ness.

Please, I'm trying to be "one of you".

We know, we know...with Locknar in the middle.

 

[Jonquill]

Anita in regard to Brent Atwater you say-
"I see that someone "like me" is making such money for what I could do too?"

What do you think it is that Brent is doing, a psychic scan that reveals real medical information, or spouting a pack of lies to make money from sick gullible people?

 

[Miss_Kitt]

Anita:

I just happen to have an unusual experience, but that itself does not immediately make me a woo.

DesertGal:

Not immediately-it took 60 pages and a whole lot of back pedaling, evasions, lies, obfuscations, and bogus delays to prove your "woo"ness.

MissKitt: ROTFLMAO! "Circle takes the square!!"

 

[desertgal]

I dont see deludsional here at all.

OH NO!! Finally when someone says what I've been waiting to hear from one of you since I'm not allowed to say it myself - you've spelled it all wrong!

You might want to be careful tossing phrases like "not allowed" around here, Ophelia. The only folks who can censor what you say are the mods - and it really ain't kosher to say they have when they haven't.

Long Tabber doesn't think you are delusional. He thinks you are a lying con artist. That's not an improvement.

I am not a licenced physician and I am not allowed to dispense medical diagnose to persons.

Then, maybe, you should stop doing just that.

I have only shared my medical perceptions with people I know and in a very careful manner and only for educational purposes for me to try to establish the correlation, while emphasizing to the persons that I may be wrong so therefore disregard all what I've perceived.

Yeah, right, Anita.

Anita: OMG!
Mark I: What?
Anita: The tissues around your heart are saturated with deep fried peanut oil! I've never seen peanut oil, but I know that's what it is. This is a potentially serious and fatal heart condition!
Mark I: Oh, no!
Anita: Fortunately for you, I know what you can do to halt the advancement of the condition!
Mark I: Really? What?
Anita: You must change the type of fat and oil you consume. The good news is that you can consume just as much, as long as it isn't peanut oil.
Mark I: Oh, I will do that right away! Thank you! You may have saved my life!
Anita: Please disregard all that I just said. I've never been wrong before, but I could be wrong this time.
Mark I: Oh, of course. Your advice would save my life, but I'll just ignore it.

Anita: OMG!
Mark II: What?
Anita: Your blood flow is being inhibited! This will lead to reduced blood flow to the brain, and partial brain damage due to the oxygen deficiency that would result.
Mark II: Oh, no!
Anita: Fortunately for you, I know what is causing it!
Mark II: Really? What?
Anita: It's a new medication that you have never taken before.
Mark II: You might be right! I just started a new blood pressure medication.
Anita: I order you to stop taking it. It will kill you. Have your doctor give you another brand.
Mark II: Oh, wonderful! Thank you! You may have saved my life.
Anita: Please disregard all that I have just said. I have never been wrong before, but I could be wrong this time.
Mark II: Of course. Your advice might save my life, but I'll just ignore it.

At the nursing home:
Nursing Assistant Anita: And how are you today, Mrs...(looks at name on chart)...Mark?
Mrs. Mark: Not so good, dearie.
Nursing Assistant Anita: OMG!
Mrs. Mark: What?
Nursing Assistant Anita: You have dangerously low blood sugar! Are you a diabetic?
Mrs. Mark: Well, yes. How did you know that?
Nursing Assistant Anita: I call it "psychic medical diagnose". I've had it all my life. Then, when I was 14, I had these crystals one day, and...
(17 hours later)
...pushed me right off the chair! Oh, and I can solve historical crimes, too. I'm going to go the White House one day and talk to Abraham Lincoln. And I'm going to bring in Bigfoot.
Mrs. Mark: Maybe you could even solve the Ripper mystery?
Nursing Assistant Anita: Well, I could, but it would have to be top secret. I don't like to draw attention to myself. Hey, do you think I could win the Nobel for that?
Mrs. Mark: I don't think the Nobel has a category for...
Nursing Assistant Anita: That's okay. They'll make one for me, since I am the most extraordinary human being on the planet. Although, I'm not really a human being. I'm an extraterrestrial incarnation from...
Mrs. Mark: Dearie? I feel faint.
Nursing Assistant Anita: Oh, that's right. Dangerously low blood sugar. Staff! Staff!
Staff: What?
Nursing Assistant Anita: Mrs. Mark has dangerously low blood sugar.
Staff: Oh, my. Let's take a reading right now. You have saved her life!
Nursing Assistant Anita: Please disregard all that I just said. I have never been wrong before, but I could be wrong this time.
Staff/Mrs. Mark: Of course. She does have diabetes-which you couldn't have possibly known, even with her chart in your hand-and it could save her life, but we'll just ignore what you said. Go give Mr. Yeagar a sponge bath. You'll like him. He's from former planet Pluto.