Vedic Astrology : Open Thread

[force_redo]

The question is, how do you determine the correct birth time?

Here's the answer that I was able to get from a vedic astrology site:
*snip* birthtime vs. birthtime *snap*

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This is interesting, this works pretty much like climatology
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However, my question would be: How do these astrologers go about with fraternal twins? If they're making claims such as "blue eyes" or "dark hair", as this astrologer did with Ryokan's data, they are right in only 50% at most...

FR

 

[Mojo]

ManLondon also submitted my info for a reading, and it didn't go very well. There was only one hit.

Out of how many predictions?

So, if they cast a chart and it's right, then they're right. But even when they're wrong, they're right, because they just keep casting charts until they find one they like.

This sounds awfully like a homoeopath selecting the correct individualised remedy.

 

[case sensitive]

Really the answer is I donot know. I am not an Astrologer.
I myself have wondered so many times that how can planets and stars so far away affect our personalities and shape our future. And thats why I am not so sure about Vedic Astrology.

But I am willing to find out one way or another, for sure

"You want the truth! You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! Bah! I deride your truth handling abilities!"

Sideshow Bob

 

[ManLondon]

ManLondon has been very gracious and I think we made some real progress in private conversation. I think that he's really interested in finding out the truth. Just give him some time to really examine things and wrap his head around it. He's getting there

Ah! Atleast one person in this forum knows me. Thanks very much!
Every letter is correct.

I am really going through a lot at this moment in my life. I need time to think of a full proof way to test Vedic Astrology in order to prove for sure whether it works or not.

 

[Garrette]

Not at all, ManLondon.

If we sometimes seem strident or brutish, it's generally not intentional. Most comments aren't directed at you personally (as in any forum, we have exceptions here), but despite attempting to remain critical we are not immune to emotions. Many or most here have had unpleasant run-ins in the past.

Take your time and kudos for questioning, regardless the outcome.

 

[Mojo]

I need time to think of a full proof way to test Vedic Astrology in order to prove for sure whether it works or not.

Some possibly workable tests have been proposed in the thread. All you really need to do is to think of something that Vedic Astrology ought to be able to predict successfully, and see whether the predictions fit reality or not.

Where do you fit Ryokan's reading into this process?

 

[ManLondon]

Not at all, ManLondon.

If we sometimes seem strident or brutish, it's generally not intentional. Most comments aren't directed at you personally (as in any forum, we have exceptions here), but despite attempting to remain critical we are not immune to emotions. Many or most here have had unpleasant run-ins in the past.

Oh I donot mind opposite opinions at all! It is a very healthy of discussion. Because opposing healthly opinions allow me to either change my opinions or help me firm my opinions because of the research that I have to do for it.

It is the directed offensive remarks, not reading the posts, and way too of imagination that surprises me. Examples of these plenty in this thread!

I guess some people will never learn the meaning of respect for a life. Be it their own or others'. Maybe it so drummed into their karma.

Take your time and kudos for questioning, regardless the outcome.

I guess jLam understands my position because I have told him some of the things that are dominating and asking for my attention.

 

[ManLondon]

Not at all, ManLondon.

If we sometimes seem strident or brutish, it's generally not intentional. Most comments aren't directed at you personally (as in any forum, we have exceptions here), but despite attempting to remain critical we are not immune to emotions. Many or most here have had unpleasant run-ins in the past.

Oh I donot mind opposite opinions at all! It is a very healthy of discussion. Because opposing healthly opinions allow me to either change my opinions or help me firm my opinions because of the research that I have to do for it.

It is the directed offensive remarks, not reading the posts, and way too of imagination that surprises me. Examples of these plenty in this thread!

I guess some people will never learn the meaning of respect for a life. Be it their own or others'. Maybe it so drummed into their karma.

Take your time and kudos for questioning, regardless the outcome.

I guess jLam understands my position because I have told him some of the things that are dominating and asking for my attention.

 

[ManLondon]

but despite attempting to remain critical we are not immune to emotions. Many or most here have had unpleasant run-ins in the past.

People are most welcome to share their experiences on Vedic Astrology in this thread. They will certainly help!

 

[Complexity]

My experiences with Vedic Astrology...

* I've only heard about it on this forum.
* It bores me stiff.
* Listening to gullible woos on the subject babble on about it is tedius beyond tears.

The stars and planets have no effect on the course one's life takes.

Grow up and shed your superstitions.

 

[EHocking]

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Donot know the answer to this one. But I know people can methods to arrive at correct birth time, if it is not known accurately.

Could you provide direction to such methods? I have a birth certificate that has date and time as well as ward - and I know the location of the hospital, as it hasn't moved since I was born.

Seems to me that your statement can be tested quite easily.

Please describe the methodology or point to a site that has it and I'll compare the result to that on my birth certificate. To be fair, I'll accept +/-15mins as "accurate".

P.S. I tried a couple of Vedic Astrology sites with my details, and being as objective as possible, nearly all of them failed to describe how I've ended up. One of the largest problems I found is that the descriptions seem to be culturally Indian, therefore many of the social traits described just won't match how I was brought up, or the morals I have decided upon.

 

[steenkh]

Well, it is obviously important to the stars to know what culture you belong to before they can influence you, right?

 

[ManLondon]

Could you provide direction to such methods? I have a birth certificate that has date and time as well as ward - and I know the location of the hospital, as it hasn't moved since I was born.

Seems to me that your statement can be tested quite easily.

If someone knows his or her birth date but not very about his or her birth time, then an experienced astrologer can look at the lines in palm. (Palmistry) and maybe ask few questions about life to get to the exact time. It is like Reverse Engineering.

But I donot think, we can use this method to test Vedic Astrology. Because in this method, the Vedic Astrologer will ask lots of information, rather than telling forecasts.

P.S. I tried a couple of Vedic Astrology sites with my details, and being as objective as possible, nearly all of them failed to describe how I've ended up.

Hmmm interesting. So from your experince, Vedic Astrology is baseless?

 

[Mojo]

If someone knows his or her birth date but not very about his or her birth time, then an experienced astrologer can look at the lines in palm. (Palmistry) and maybe ask few questions about life to get to the exact time. It is like Reverse Engineering.

But I donot think, we can use this method to test Vedic Astrology. Because in this method, the Vedic Astrologer will ask lots of information, rather than telling forecasts.

You could use this if you have someone whose time of birth is known accurately. Have the astrologer ask whatever questions he likes (apart, obviously, from "what time were you born?") and see if he actually could identify the correct time.

 

[ManLondon]

You could use this if you have someone whose time of birth is known accurately. Have the astrologer ask whatever questions he likes (apart, obviously, from "what time were you born?") and see if he actually could identify the correct time.

Yes, that seems like a way to test it.

 

[steenkh]

If someone knows his or her birth date but not very about his or her birth time, then an experienced astrologer can look at the lines in palm. (Palmistry) and maybe ask few questions about life to get to the exact time. It is like Reverse Engineering.

I think you once said that you were a skeptic. I appreciate your interest in finding out the truth about Vedic Astrology, but I hope that you will also make the effort to take a look at palmistry. But you really should read up on cold reading first.

 

[force_redo]

@ManLondon:

Maybe my last comment was put in a rather ignorable way, but I'd really like to know about your judgement on this (I'm not asking for an answer, maybe just your guess):
If Vedic Astrology had a point, wouldn't all twins lead the same life, get the same diseases at the same time, do similar jobs etc? Furthermore, if they are fraternal twins, how could they look different?

FR

 

[JLam]

Folks, all of this talk of getting the "correct" birth time is irrelevant. Look at my post a few posts up about the "karmic birth time" stuff. If the chart doesn't match your life, they just tell you that though your "real" birth time may be correct, your "karmic" birth time may be off. Of course, they're willing to "rectify" your birth time. For a fee.

It's win-win for them.

 

[Mojo]

Folks, all of this talk of getting the "correct" birth time is irrelevant. Look at my post a few posts up about the "karmic birth time" stuff. If the chart doesn't match your life, they just tell you that though your "real" birth time may be correct, your "karmic" birth time may be off. Of course, they're willing to "rectify" your birth time. For a fee.

It's win-win for them.

Well, if this is the case, do they claim that once they've determined this "rectified" birth time, they can then predict future events? If so, then that's what would have to be tested.

 

[force_redo]

It's win-win for them.

You are completely right, of course.
However, I'd like to know from one of those astrologers how far off the "karmic birth" time can be from your real birth time. Minutes? Hours? Years?

If the time frame is rather large, why bother with the birth time at all? Why all this oh-so-important precision about your exact birth time if afterwards it might or might not be your "karmic" birth time?
Why not say: "Tell me who you are and I'll predict your future" and leave out all this birth time stuff?
Sorry to say, but this sounds more and more dubious to me. Not that I ever believed in it, all I know about it is what I read here. But coming from "this is an precise, thousands of years old science and needs to be precise" to "after all it doesn't matter at all, since it hasn't really anything to do with the time you were born" is a bit weak...

FR