Vedic Astrology : Open Thread

This must be one of the fastest thread closures.

I go to sleep, wake up, log on and find that I have been asked a question and the guy who asked it has vanished before I could answer.

Hey Manlondon haven't you heard of time zones. What is the point complaining about lack of responses from people who "know" about vedic astrology in the middle of the night India time? If this is your level of patience I wonder what kind of coding you do.

I do know a bit, have met a few astrologers and know a LOT of people who BELIEVE.

If you come back pop me a Personal Message
 
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ManLondon said:
I know in India, lots of people have this problem. But there is solution for this. If someone is not very about his or her birth time, then an experienced astrologer can look at the lines in palm. (Palmistry) and maybe ask few questions about life to get to the exact time. It is like Reverse Engineering.
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Well that's a verifiable claim. Find 10 people whose exact time of birth is known and if the astrologer can tell the date and time of birth from the palm only, they get $1,000,000.

Of course the identiites of the individuals would have to remain confidential before the reading to prevent cheating.

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Sorry, didn't realise that he'd bu99ered off
 
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Pity he left. I would have given him the birth dates for Prince Charles who is definitely not a skeptic or connected to any skeptic organisation. And his life is fairly well known, even his marital problems so that we should have no problem finding out if the predictions/descriptions were true.
 
steenkh said:
Pity he left. I would have given him the birth dates for Prince Charles who is definitely not a skeptic or connected to any skeptic organisation. And his life is fairly well known, even his marital problems so that we should have no problem finding out if the predictions/descriptions were true.
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Do you know the precise location and time of his birth? Otherwise, you are also asking for a flying car.
 
delphi_ote said:
Do you know the precise location and time of his birth? Otherwise, you are also asking for a flying car.
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Well how precise do they want? Right second and room number at the hospital? Is the important to tell them where in the room the bed was placed? If it was a high or a low bed? Do they have to know in what direction you were born.

And don't they need to know if you were born over or under sea level? And how much over or under? But I guess they never thought about that at all...
:)
 
From an astrological site:

Birth Data
Birth Name: Charles, Prince of Wales
Birth Date: 11/14/1948 (Nov 14, 1948)
Birth Time: 21:14 (09:14 PM) GMT (+0:00)
Birth Place: London, England
Latitude / Longitude: 51 N 30 / 00 W 10
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So, where is this flying car?
 
Well, I know nothing about vedic astrology, but if they do not ask for precise birth place, they must assume that the life of every child born during that minute (or second) must have had roughly the same life!

Western astrology sometimes take location into account, and sometimes not.

I remember an old cartoon where a man turns on the news where an announcer says "The practice of astrology gained new credibility this morning when, as predicted, every person born under the sign of Taurus was run over by an egg truck!"
 
steenkh said:
Pity he left. I would have given him the birth dates for Prince Charles who is definitely not a skeptic or connected to any skeptic organisation. And his life is fairly well known, even his marital problems so that we should have no problem finding out if the predictions/descriptions were true.
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The trouble with using someone as well known as Chazza is that they might well recognise him from his date and place of birth. I see that you have linked to the info on an astrology site!
 
Perhaps I am underestimating vedic astrologers, but I would expect them to think less of western celebrities than Indian ones. And if it is input to a website, I doubt if the program is comparing the birth data with a list of known birth data. And, then, on the other hand they could be more clever than I thought and really put me in awe with super-accurate descriptions!
 
Never underestimate the intelligence of a con-artist! That's the sort of thing they rely on.
 
You are right. But I really think that most astrologers do not think of themselves as con-artists. Not those I have met, at any rate. But they were also poor!
 
Check this out. I did a Google on:

"11/14/1948" "London, England"

First link that came back was a page from "Considerations Magazine" for astrologers.
Caroline, Princess of Monaco, see VIII: 1 & XI: 2. 1/23/1957 9:27 AM MET (08:27 UT) Monaco: 43N24 7E24
Show chart

Stefano Casiraghi, husband of Princess Caroline of Monaco, XI: 2. 9/8/1960 10:30 PM MET (21:30 UT) Milan, Italy: 45N28 9E12
Show chart

Fidel Castro, Cuban leader (Jakubowsky rectification), see X: 3. 8/13/1927 12:07 PM EST (17:07 UT), Mayari, Cuba: 20N41 75W42 text

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http://www.considerations-mag.com/indic.htm

Their front page says "Discover why the world's leading astrologers subscribe
to Considerations Magazine." Yea. I think I just discovered why...
 
I will be back, After hasta la vista :)

Well! Well! I am back to this thread. But this time, my objectives have changed since last time.

I will state them here and I hope this time, the forum understands these and does not be imaginative about my intentions, like some of the guys did last time.

But before that, please allow me to give some background information in order to clarify any fingers that had been pointed at my intentions.

Few months back, I was amazed with the accuracy of Vedic Astrology and since then it made such a big impression on me that I have had this constant thought "Can it be so very true, accurate and specific? Can I verify it beyond any doubts?"

I came across this forum few days back - I honestly donot remember how. And I thought, here I have lots of people who donot believe in anything paranormal, are very objective and rational. This could be a great place to ask their opinions and come to a conclusion based on rational discussion. Again, like I have mentioned so many times, I am open and that's why I was here and even titled the thread as "Open Thread"

But this time, my objectives are just to close any open messages that have been sent for me and answer back any critisim that has been directed towards me.

I am not looking for any conclusions on Vedic Astrology from this thread any more, because I know I wont get it here. I will take my seeking spirit and continue with my research somewhere else.

Also I am not going to do any predictions for anyone here to get Vedic Astrology tested - like I had previously offered.

Lastly, the reasons why I had decided to quit this thread :
Some people have been over-imaginative and using offending language. People have been saying that "my father bragged about me", "I lack fingers". That I have an ulterior motive to promote my own astrology website to get money off this forum. Commenting my language skills and even to the length that one guy even made VERY offensive remarks on my professional (IT) capabilites saying that I cant even write a program. (Think that post has been removed by the moderators)

I have earned much more money that I could even imagine in my life and very content. Based on the education and experience that I have gained, I have developed tools for the people who have put and made millions, if not billions of pounds. I was awarded discretory annual bonus for my performace last year while working for a group which employs over 130,000 people.

I have not used any offensive language to anyone on this forum, tried to stay professional and used respect towards others. If learing English makes people so offensive and disrespectful towards others, I am so very happy with my current level knowledge on this language and would hate myself the day I become so offensive, insensitive and disrespectful.

Cheers
 
case sensitive said:
1. How do you know that there is an astrologer? Maybe it is just a computer program putting together random lines. And we are not going to chase down the guy if he exists anyway.
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I know for sure because I have exchanged emails with this astrologer for my predictions.

And no those were not random lines. I still say that those were very specific forecasts. Not everything was true, sure.
 
Zep said:
ManLondon, I have met people who have used almost exactly the same words as you do when you say you believe in Vedic Astrology. But they have been referring to all sorts of charlatan antics: women's mag astrologers, casting runes, tarot cards, dangling needles and corks, phone psychics, you name it. All of these scams, all of them, are simply taking money from gullible people like yourself by means of confidence tricks. Vedic Astrology is no different.

The problem for you is that you have simply convinced yourself that it works, and you are only looking for verification here for what you believe! You are NOT actually looking for proof that it doesn't work, despite what you may say, because if you read your posts again you are actively rejecting all attempts to show you how simply and blindly you are being strung along by the nose. If you were looking for adequate and convincing proof of it not working, there is certainly ample evidence to be found, both here and elsewhere.

I only hope you haven't been paying people any money, or giving them your credit card numbers. Or if you have, I have a really nice bridge you might like to buy!!
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I have no reason to believe in any of these "women's mag astrologers, casting runes, tarot cards, dangling needles and corks, phone psychics"

I have stated in my previous post that I donot believe in the "horoscopes" that we see in the newspapers or mags.

ManLondon said:
And I never believed the Horoscope published in newpapers and mags.
There is no truth in it because you cant divide the whole population in 12 categories.

In Vedic astrology, every person gets his or her horoscope based on time and place of his birth (Time and Space is known parameter even in today's science to accuractly point towards an object.)

A person born 3 minutes later will have different horoscope.
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Zep said:
The problem for you is that you have simply convinced yourself that it works, and you are only looking for verification here for what you believe! You are NOT actually looking for proof that it doesn't work, despite what you may say, because if you read your posts again you are actively rejecting all attempts to show you how simply and blindly you are being strung along by the nose. If you were looking for adequate and convincing proof of it not working, there is certainly ample evidence to be found, both here and elsewhere.
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Sorry Zep, I have said previously as well, people are what experiences make them. I have also said that based on my experiences I am bit of believer of Vedic Astrology and am really looking for some more discussions. But do you think this forum is where I would come to seek "verifications in favour of Vedic Astrology" when any one with half-brain could imagine that this forum would be full of skeptics.
 
ManLondon,

Welcome back. Glad to see you here again. If anyone made you feel uncomfortable here, please accept our apologies. That wasn't anyone's intention.

We would like to help you verify whether or not Vedic Astrology actually works, but you have to be willing to answer questions that, while they may seem harsh, are simply asked with the aim of gaining information.

You stated that you came here to "verify it beyond any doubts." We can help you do that. The people here are very experienced looking into things like this, and many of us are also experts in how people are fooled into thinking things are true when they aren't.

So are you willing to let us help you out?
 
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