USS Liberty

Even the most cursory research, e.g., Wikipedia will show that the term "antiSemitic" (antisemitisch in German) was coined specifically to refer to anti-Jewish prejudice and was enthusiastically taken up for that purpose by German antiSemites.

In addition, the English language has no "powers that be", no equivalent to the Académie française. As any lexicographer will tell you, what counts is how a word is used in ordinary speech by the general public, not a technical definition, viz "gay".

This silly semantic argument is really old hat. Hatefreaks have been whipping it out with the same depressing regularity with which they use "Zionist" as a code word for "Jew".



The Liberty was attacked on purpose, brave US servicemen died because of it.

I have zero use for any Govt that would do that.

It just so happens that Israel was behind this attack, so its them i hate because of it. Had it been Germany, i would hate them equally.

I could care less what religion somebody is, but i do care about US servicemen getting killed and a foreign govt out right lying about it.
 
The Liberty was attacked on purpose, brave US servicemen died because of it.

I have zero use for any Govt that would do that.

It just so happens that Israel was behind this attack, so its them i hate because of it. Had it been Germany, i would hate them equally.

I could care less what religion somebody is, but i do care about US servicemen getting killed and a foreign govt out right lying about it.

I agree. I do not care what you do in the privacy of your own home. You can worship cheese crackers for all I care.

But when a small group rule the masses, THAT bothers me. And that has bothered great men through history.

Whether they are freemasons or "jesuits", or jews or zionists or NWO. Whatever.

A small percentage of the population call themselves a race and a religion. They also happen to be in the highest positions of power. chairman of the fed, advisors to the president of the US, lawyers, District attorneys "border Czars" and the list goes on and on.

I DO have a problem with that.

I DO have a problem with my countrymen fighting a war that has nothing to do with our national security but for ANOTHER NATIONS security.

I DO have a problem with that.
 
A small percentage of the population call themselves a race and a religion. They also happen to be in the highest positions of power. chairman of the fed, advisors to the president of the US, lawyers, District attorneys "border Czars" and the list goes on and on.

I DO have a problem with that.

why do you have a problem with Jewish-Americans holding positions of power in the USA?

did it bother you when a Jewish-American was the Secretary of Agriculture under Clinton?

why?

I am not black, but I am not bothered that a black man is the Attorney General. I am also not bothered that a black man is President.

A black man is also my Governor. As is my City Comptroller, and the the head of the New York State Senate. None of this bothers me. Should it?

Should I be worried that all these black men in power might be secretly working ONLY towards the interest of black people??

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants are NOT the majority of this country. They once were, but not any more. Yet they still wield great power in the USA. Should we be worried about WASP power???
 
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Even the most cursory research, e.g., Wikipedia will show that the term "antiSemitic" (antisemitisch in German) was coined specifically to refer to anti-Jewish prejudice and was enthusiastically taken up for that purpose by German antiSemites.

In addition, the English language has no "powers that be", no equivalent to the Académie française. As any lexicographer will tell you, what counts is how a word is used in ordinary speech by the general public, not a technical definition, viz "gay".

This silly semantic argument is really old hat. Hatefreaks have been whipping it out with the same depressing regularity with which they use "Zionist" as a code word for "Jew".

Nice spin.

But no, you are wrong. Jews will use that as a lame attempt to discredit someone.

Using the term zionist is to separate, because obviously not all jews are zionists.

I will come straight out and say it.

But many PC people and others will play along and criticize zionists or neocons, but then some jew or jew appeaser will call them an "anti-semite"

So it's best to just get it out of the way so you don't have to peddle to their schemes.
 
why do you have a problem with Jewish-Americans holding positions of power in the USA?

did it bother you when a Jewish-American was the Secretary of Agriculture under Clinton?

why?

I am not black, but I am not bothered that a black man is the Attorney General. I am also not bothered that a black man is President.

A black man is also my Governor. As is my City Comptroller, and the the head of the New York State Senate. None of this bothers me. Should it?


Well, they have taken the country to hell and a basket.


Well, them and their goys.
 
Well, they have taken the country to hell and a basket.

have we? is it our fault that the nation is full of fools who got mortgages they cant afford?

is it the Jews fault whenever something goes wrong in the USA?

you seem to feel that way.

is there NOTHING good the Jews...or any single Jew..has done for the USA?

nothing???
 
Should I be worried that all these black men in power might be secretly working ONLY towards the interest of black people??

You see, you can't compare the two.

Blacks aren't using the united states as a vehicle to carry wicked acts in Palestine.

It must be said, and yes there are exceptions to every rule, but jews are some of the racist people on earth. That is a just a fact. We gave them their own country and look what they did with it?

These jews are racist, hateful people. Obviously there are exceptions but just to comment on the fact that two of the most crude racist jews I have seen/heard, are don rickles and jackie mason.

But hey, watch me get suspended for what I just wrote.

Parky has said some of the worst things about jesus I have ever heard, but watch, *I* will be the one suspended. [/Rant

I apologize for derailing the thread :(
 
have we? is it our fault that the nation is full of fools who got mortgages they cant afford?

is it the Jews fault whenever something goes wrong in the USA?

you seem to feel that way.

is there NOTHING good the Jews...or any single Jew..has done for the USA?

nothing???

Hmmm....

I'll try.


Mila Kunis is one hot HOT piece of A$$!

Seeing her on the screen is good.

I think that's it.
 
how about the Polio vaccine?

how about the combustion engine automobile?

how about those lovely nutrition labels on all foods and beverages?

now...what wonderful things have African-Americans done for the USA? hmmm????

here is a list of famous Jewish-American biologists, physicians, and other scientists:








which named its school of architecture in his honor.

Great Depression.




seen enough yet?????

=)
 
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how about the Polio vaccine?

how about the combustion engine automobile?

how about those lovely nutrition labels on all foods and beverages?

now...what wonderful things have African-Americans done for the USA? hmmm????

here is a list of famous Jewish-American biologists, physicians, and other scientists:








which named its school of architecture in his honor.

Great Depression.




seen enough yet?????

=)

Are you sure these are all jews?

What if they are only jews by religion? What if they say they are jews but are really khazar johnny-come-latelys?

Anyway it just dawned on me. good jews.....


Parky
Bobby Fischer
Benjamin Freedman
Jack Bernstein
Peter Schiff
Murray Rothbard
Ludwig von mises


#1 Bad Jew
Adolf Hitler
 
Are you sure these are all jews?

yes.

and btw, if Hitler's grandfather was a Jew (Schiklegruber), that does not make him a Jew. Only someone who's mother is a Jew, is Jewish. He was 3/4 German and 1/4 Jewish (ethnically).
 
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yes.

and btw, if Hitler's grandfather was a Jew (Schiklegruber), that does not make him a Jew. Only someone who's mother is a Jew, is Jewish. He was 3/4 German and 1/4 Jewish (ethnically).

What about converts?

How can madeline albright still be a jewess if she converted to catholicism?

Parky = #1 best super jew.
 
How can madeline albright still be a jewess .

i hate this word. why is it always used in an anti-Semitic context?

if Albright indeed formally converted to Christianity, then she is a traitor and is no longer a "spiritual" Jew. She is still of Jewish descent though.

And Nazis consider a Jude.
 
It might be worth mentioning that while a rumor of Hitler having a Jewish grandfather has been around since 1946 (it entered Western consciouness with Hans Frank at Nuremberg), it has been pretty definitively debunked.

The claim is that while working as a domestic in the home of a Jewish family named Frankenberg (or Frankenberger) in Graz, Hitler's grandmother, Maria Anna Schicklgruber, was impregnated by the son of the family. However, not only is there no record of Maria ever having lived in Graz nor of a Frankenberger family having lived there at the time, there were no Jews at all in Graz at the time of Hitler's father's birth. This is all covered in Joachim Fest's biography Hitler.

Parky is absolutely correct about one thing. The Nazi version of antisemitism was not based on religious considerations like anti-Jewish prejudice had been during most of Europe's history. It was based on the Nazis' lunatic theories of "race", in which one's beliefs and practices mattered naught compared to one's ancestry. In their world, a convert like Albright would have been classified as a Jew and subjected to the same persecution as all other Jews.
 
It might be worth mentioning that while a rumor of Hitler having a Jewish grandfather has been around since 1946 (it entered Western consciouness with Hans Frank at Nuremberg), it has been pretty definitively debunked.

The claim is that while working as a domestic in the home of a Jewish family named Frankenberg (or Frankenberger) in Graz, Hitler's grandmother, Maria Anna Schicklgruber, was impregnated by the son of the family. However, not only is there no record of Maria ever having lived in Graz nor of a Frankenberger family having lived there at the time, there were no Jews at all in Graz at the time of Hitler's father's birth. This is all covered in Joachim Fest's biography Hitler.

Parky is absolutely correct about one thing. The Nazi version of antisemitism was not based on religious considerations like anti-Jewish prejudice had been during most of Europe's history. It was based on the Nazis' lunatic theories of "race", in which one's beliefs and practices mattered naught compared to one's ancestry. In their world, a convert like Albright would have been classified as a Jew and subjected to the same persecution as all other Jews.


Hitler went at great lengths to hide his family ancestry. That's about all I know about that topic.

I'm not a hitler biographer.
 
i hate this word. why is it always used in an anti-Semitic context?

if Albright indeed formally converted to Christianity, then she is a traitor and is no longer a "spiritual" Jew. She is still of Jewish descent though.

And Nazis consider a Jude.

She's a traitor?

How come christians can't be of christian descent? Or muslims of muslim descent?

Or buddhist of buddhist descent?

Sounds kinda racist.
 
Apologies for not being more engaged in the discussion on ethnicity and values. Jews and Black Muslims both bug me. But then, people do. But then, I feel sorry for them all and can't hate or even blame. Then I remember there are sucky things that do cluster more around some people than others. Then, I wonder what's up with that, is it just me? Then people start bickering, and Whatever.

On my second boat theory: I still haven't found any evidence from non-Israeli sources, not that there'd be any except the crew of the Liberty. Their not mentioning it is problematic. I've done up some graphics based on several sources (text and graphic) to look into it and found if there was a second ship, it'd have to be about 8 miles (give or take about one) to its rear port side - SE - to fit the location of the returns as described at 13:41. I think that would put it in radar range of the Liberty, perhaps visual with lenses?

So there are the probs - but in putting this together, almost all from official IDF sources, I've found that true or not, there's a well-painted picture of a second ship doing real shelling, and leaving on a different heading and speed from the Liberty. It's actually uncanny. I'm still organizing all the sources for posting, but here is the graphic version that shows how totally off these returns were for the Liberty, and how right-on for something else very non-random.

So as to not warp the page, a thumbnail:
th_Liberty_vs_MTB_returns.jpg

Link to full-size

Heading seen - 23 degrees off (and with a noticeable change)
speed - 23 knots off (560% error)
location: app. 8 miles off

And recall, this is on top of specific reports of 2 ships, of a ship seen shelling (not Lib), of the shelling itself, and all the many other incredible blunders that preceded and followed this 'freeze-frame.' Sources when up or on request.

Please, chew slowly, don't want people choking out there. Lurkers? Debunkers?
 

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