Universal Design

[Iacchus]

Come-on. Don't start now. And why circumcision is necessary?

To recognize man's inherent snake-nature perhaps and, to remind us of God's covenant? By the way, did you ever get a close look at one of those things? Also, did you know that in certain parts of the world the serpent is revered as a symbol of Eternity? Hey, it's all part of the overall design, right?

 

[BillHoyt]

Must be a God given talent I guess?

But why the need to perform surgery, besides circumcision perhaps if, the body is healthy? And you know what they say, "If it ain't broke don't fix it." Right?

Paucity of imagination is a god-given talent? Right.

Ah, goody, at long last we can concede an exception. So, mutilation of the body is good, as far as you're concerned, for at least one instance. Onto the next, then. You have a ten-pound tumor pressing against your heart. Do you elect to cut or to die?

 

[Iacchus]

Paucity of imagination is a god-given talent? Right.

Ah, goody, at long last we can concede an exception. So, mutilation of the body is good, as far as you're concerned, for at least one instance. Onto the next, then. You have a ten-pound tumor pressing against your heart. Do you elect to cut or to die?

The original idea had something to do with putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger, in what was otherwise a healthy body. Now, would it do the body any good for you to destroy it in that sense?

 

[BillHoyt]

The original idea had something to do with putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger, in what was otherwise a healthy body. Now, would it do the body any good for you to destroy it in that sense?

Excuse me, but you expanded it here:

In which case I ask, is destroying the body -- in any way, shape or form for that matter -- good for the body?

Are you now retreating from this position?

 

[Z]

No, Iacchus is demonstrating his usual immature antics trying to toss God-references and design-references throughout his conversations. At this point, logical and reasonable discourse with him is no longer an option.

Iacchus, please, take your meds - your ADHD is rampant today.

 

[Iacchus]

Excuse me, but you expanded it here:

Are you now retreating from this position?

No, the general idea being, whenever you do something destructive to what is otherwise a healthy body, is it for the good or, detriment of the body?

 

[Iacchus]

No, Iacchus is demonstrating his usual immature antics trying to toss God-references and design-references throughout his conversations. At this point, logical and reasonable discourse with him is no longer an option.

Iacchus, please, take your meds - your ADHD is rampant today.

Ad hominem ...

 

[BillHoyt]

No, the general idea being, whenever you do something destructive to what is otherwise a healthy body, is it for the good or, detriment of the body?

Except, of course, for circumcision, right? Was the object being modified somehow unhealthy?

 

[brian0918]

Ad hominem ...

Of course, a fallacy doesn't mean he is wrong, just that his reasoning is flawed. Since your posts lack any reasoning whatsoever, it makes them difficult to attack, simply because you make so little sense.

We can make any comments we want about your character without dismissing your claims. For example: You are an idiot. This says nothing about your claims, just something about you. Therefore, no latin for you!

 

[Iacchus]

Of course, a fallacy doesn't mean he is wrong, just that his reasoning is flawed. Since your posts lack any reasoning whatsoever, it makes them difficult to attack, simply because you make so little sense.

We can make any comments we want about your character without dismissing your claims. For example: You are an idiot. This says nothing about your claims, just something about you. Therefore, no latin for you!

So what is reason then, and please explain to me what makes you think you're the only one endowed with it?

 

[Iacchus]

Except, of course, for circumcision, right? Was the object being modified somehow unhealthy?

Do I believe circumcision is necessary? No. Although it is rather curious how this is the one thing God recommends we do. What was the reason for the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden? And doesn't it look the head of a serpent to you? And what did I say about the serpent being revered as a symbol of Eternity elsewhere? Now isn't that the least bit weird?

Oh yes, and what do serpents do? ... Shed their skins!

 

[Cleopatra]

Well Bill, look it that way. If you debate Iacchus for a while you will start appreciating Coghill's reasoning.

Hey Dennis, slowly, don't freak immediately those that are not familiar with your style .

I observe that you have changed your mind regarding the symbolism of circumcision though because here you say that:

However one thing that comes to mind is that there's 22 chapters in the book of Revelation and, that it also corresponds to Justine (8) -- 14 X 1 + "8" = 22 -- thus signifying the honeymoon or, circumcision (synonymous with removing the bridal veil).

Back in that thread I pointed out to you that circumcision has nothing to do with bridal customs and such. Now since we talk about the same books and the same culture ( the biblical that is) what gives?

 

[Z]

My favorite line at the Skeptic's Annotated Bible so far:

God thinks Penises are really important. And he HATES foreskins.

(paraphrased)

aye aye aye...

 

[Iacchus]

Well Bill, look it that way. If you debate Iacchus for a while you will start appreciating Coghill's reasoning.

Hey Dennis, slowly, don't freak immediately those that are not familiar with your style .

What, are you suggesting I come to these boards only to screw with people? Or, are you saying a little foreplay would be nice?

Who's Coghill by the way?

I observe that you have changed your mind regarding the symbolism of circumcision though because here you say that:

No, only women are given that prerogative.

Back in that thread I pointed out to you that circumcision has nothing to do with bridal customs and such. Now since we talk about the same books and the same culture ( the biblical that is) what gives?

However, circumcision does represent the marriage covenant with God. And, as I read elsewhere, not that it matters really (that I only read about it), it's important that we circumcise the foreskins over our hearts.

 

[Dancing David]

I am sorry top see that people feel a need to insult Iachuss, why not ignore his posts rather than insult him? Wkat nuturing or honor is there in insult? If he insults first then fire away.


Iachuss: Why should a pattern imply design, the fact that a pattern exists could be a result of random forces(snowflake), random contingent history(sand dune), functional contigent history (evolution of life), purpose full intent (a building).

How do you see purpose ful intent in nature and where do you see it?

Soory, I asked before , and then people started baiting you. So in an effort to continue our conversation I ask again.

 

[Cleopatra]

I agree with you David. As someone who has debated Iacchus for sometime now I know that he is a worthy person regarless if it's difficult sometimes to know whether he is serious or not because I have caught him many times to toy others.

What, are you suggesting I come to these boards only to screw with people? Or, are you saying a little foreplay would be nice?

You know what I am saying.

Who's Coghill by the way?

Cogreslab,an interesting guy to have a drink with but not to discuss about science from what I have seen in that thread.He also sells woo-woo objects but he is well read.

However, circumcision does represent the marriage covenant with God.

It's not a marriage Iacchus, it's God's promise that Jewish People's Seed will never be destroyed. If you want to play with the symbolism of numbers you might want to comment on why it's performed in the 8th day of a male's life.

In the Spiritual Marriage and in your book you give a different explanation that the one you gave to Bill so it's normal from my part to wonder.

 

[Iacchus]

Iachuss: Why should a pattern imply design, the fact that a pattern exists could be a result of random forces(snowflake), random contingent history(sand dune), functional contigent history (evolution of life), purpose full intent (a building).

How do you see purpose ful intent in nature and where do you see it?

Soory, I asked before , and then people started baiting you. So in an effort to continue our conversation I ask again.

From the thread, Intelligence of Design ...

There have been a great deal of individuals who have contemplated what intelligence is. It isnt necessarily a readily measurable quality, I'm sure of that. At the very least, I think intelligence, or at least one understanding of intelligence, is the ability to use reason to accomplish a purposeful goal.

Its origins, I would say, at the most basic level is merely what one gleans by observations of his environment.

Orginally posted by Iacchus

It's certainly not possible without a brain though is it? And, since the brain is the by-product of its environment, then intelligence must be a by-product of the environment as well, right? So, doesn't that in effect say the environment is intelligent as well? Or else where does it come from?

I don't know if this makes more sense or not but, it is getting closer to what you asked.

 

[Iacchus]

I agree with you David. As someone who has debated Iacchus for sometime now I know that he is a worthy person regarless if it's difficult sometimes to know whether he is serious or not because I have caught him many times to toy others.

Yes, and when you're standing on top of the mountain and can see over the clouds, it's called transcendence. Say what? Just having a little fun.

It's not a marriage Iacchus, it's God's promise that Jewish People's Seed will never be destroyed. If you want to play with the symbolism of numbers you might want to comment on why it's performed in the 8th day of a male's life.

In the Spiritual Marriage and in your book you give a different explanation that the one you gave to Bill so it's normal from my part to wonder.

I observe that you have changed your mind regarding the symbolism of circumcision though because here you say that:

However one thing that comes to mind is that there's 22 chapters in the book of Revelation and, that it also corresponds to Justine (8) -- 14 X 1 + "8" = 22 -- thus signifying the honeymoon or, circumcision (synonymous with removing the bridal veil).

Hey, did you know that if you took six pennys -- or, coins of equal diameter -- and arrange them so that they each penny touched the next, that you would have just enough room to place a seventh penny in the center? So what does that suggest to you? That god created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day perhaps? ... i.e., in the center. And then, if you circumscribed a circle on the outside (representing the eighth day) what would you get? Ha! circumcision! Please refer to the illustration below ...

Of course it should also be noted that the number 7 should be placed in the center and, that the number 4 should be placed between the 3 and the 5. However, did you know that the 4th commandment refers to the Sabbath which, is the 7th day? Hmm ...

 

[Cleopatra]

But do you know why circumcision is performed on the 8th day?

BTW Have you studied Kaballah at all?

 

[Iacchus]

But do you know why circumcision is performed on the 8th day?

BTW Have you studied Kaballah at all?

Nope, neither. Albeit I have heard something about the blood's abilty to coagulate on the 8th day.

By the way, when's the last time you've been to my forum? It seems like ages. Was it something I said? Or, was it just too boring? (i.e., quiet).