Universal Design

[Radrook]

As long as it doesnt refer to machines structure doesn't imply it!

 

[BillHoyt]

Contrary to popular wannabe scientist opinions, atheism need not be a requirement of evolution.

I can't think of any scientists or wannabe scientists who maintain that evolution implies atheism. The argument from science (all of science, not simply evolution) is that the findings of science demand Deism. That is very clear from the past five centuries. If there is a god, he takes a hands-off position on the universe.

That is the misconception that very much intellectually and emotionally hamstrings most atheists making them incapable of accepting obvious things that those who are unencumbered by such unnecessary preconceptions readily and accurately perceive.

Pish-posh. You guys keep presenting seriously flawed arguments.

Such individuals fail to notice that evolution and atheism can be and actually are mutually exclusive terms.

Excuse me? Mutually exclusive? Are you daft? Evolution resoundingly refutes the creation myths that have come down from various religions. Evolution has no role for god in the creation of organisms or in speciation, but that is merely forces deism, not atheism.

So many professional evolutionists do subscribe to the carpet-rolling scenario you espouse. They see it as merely a means used to an end by an intelligent creative higher power.

As you can see,
Amateur evolutionists and wannabe scientists are far less flexible.

Really? Please provide five citations from peer-reviewed evolutionary journals. I want clearly to see this "carpet-rolling" nonsense in each paper.

 

[Dancing David]

Well, to avoid derailing:

1. Apparent structure does not neccesitate design.
2. The developement of intelligence does not imply intent to develop intelligence.

Nowhere do I ever rule out the possibility that there is a creation deliberate or not to the universe.

What I ask is , if there is deliberate design to the universe, what structures that have arisen would show that. From what i can see there is solely contingent history, the developement of intelligence seems more acausal than causal.

Hypothesise that there are other intelligences that have arisen in the past and are currently present perhaps. In which case tyhey have ben randomly destroyed by meteors and the like, or they are currently being driven to extinction.

I agree that there maybe a 'watch maker' universe, but if so the watchmaker has little concerns for what happens after the winding of the watch.

So I see no privilege or exception that would indicate a deigned universe. Otherwise, would we really be so free to kill other intelligences, like dolphins and whales, which might be closer to 'god/designer' than us?