Understanding the Liberal Mindset

[smartcooky]

Beware the groups who use edge cases and social norms to curtail free speech - The Skeptic

Charlie Kirk was a poster boy for a movement that pays lip service to free speech while bullying and intimidating critics into silence

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Answered here in the correct thread... https://internationalskeptics.com/f...s-lost-freedom-of-speech.377491/post-14737421

 

[smartcooky]

Since it seems the liberal mindset can be considered different all over the world (from left to right), which one were you referring to in your OP?

BTW, did you really adopt an American accent for this forum? Just kidding of course.

UK

 

[arthwollipot]

I tend to view the term progressive more positively since the term has actual meaning. Of course I'm progressive. Why isn’t everyone? This term means you favor change that improves society. Change and progress to a conservative are dirty words. They might threaten their position of dominance.

Yes. I think one of the criticisms that is levelled against it is that it is about change for change's sake, without thought for consequences. That's not real progressivism in my opinion (no true progressive...).

I've often said that Liberal is not the opposite of Conservative. Liberal is the opposite of Authoritarian. Progressive is the opposite of Conservative. Which is why the suggestion of "Liberal Authoritarians" is so absurd.

 

[arthwollipot]

Answered here in the correct thread... https://internationalskeptics.com/f...s-lost-freedom-of-speech.377491/post-14737421

It was relevant here too.

 

[jt512]

Ah...

I've just looked up the wiki article which explains 'Liberalism' and it clearly states that it spans both sides of the centre, i.e. centre-left and centre-right, termed as social-liberalism and conservative-liberalism.

This would explain why, to me, some 'liberal' stuff appears to be right-wing, and others, 'looney right-wing'.

There is nothing liberal that is right-wing, "looney" or otherwise. Your understanding of what is right-wing must be distorted.

 

[AmyStrange]

UK

Fair enough, but did you talk to every liberal in the UK, or are you basing your opinion on insufficient data?

BTW, I love your hat. It fits you.

 

[novaphile]

There is nothing liberal that is right-wing, "looney" or otherwise. Your understanding of what is right-wing must be distorted.

From an American point of view, perhaps.

Remember, from the point of view of the rest of the world, all American politics are flavours of right-wing.

 

[Trausti]

There is nothing liberal that is right-wing, "looney" or otherwise. Your understanding of what is right-wing must be distorted.

I dunno about that. It used to be the liberal position that no one should be discriminated against because of their race or sex. That view is now apparently right-wing and fascist.

 

[AmyStrange]

I dunno about that. It used to be the liberal position that no one should be discriminated against because of their race or sex. That view is now apparently right-wing and fascist.

Even though I'm a registered republican, I also consider myself a liberal/progressive, and I don't agree with you, because I'm still of the same mind that no one should be discriminated against because of their race or sex.

Obviously, you didn't talk to every liberal/progressive, and thus, your opinion is based on insufficient data, but that's just my opinion too.

Your mileage may vary of course.

 

[arthwollipot]

I dunno about that. It used to be the liberal position that no one should be discriminated against because of their race or sex. That view is now apparently right-wing and fascist.

No, it's a view I hold as a left-wing progressive. The right just doesn't understand what it means.

 

[acbytesla]

I dunno about that. It used to be the liberal position that no one should be discriminated against because of their race or sex. That view is now apparently right-wing and fascist.

There is a difference between recognizing that people of certain races and that females have been discriminated against for centuries and continue to be. And that it is only reasonable to help them overcome that history.

But it is wonderful to hear about how white males are oppressed in American society.

 

[Trausti]

There is a difference between recognizing that people of certain races and that females have been discriminated against for centuries and continue to be. And that it is only reasonable to help them overcome that history.

But it is wonderful to hear about how white males are oppressed in American society.

And there it is. The progressives' acceptable bigotry. So, yeah, the idea that no one should face discrimination because of their skin hue is now indeed fascist.

 

[AmyStrange]

And there it is. The progressives' acceptable bigotry. So, yeah, the idea that no one should face discrimination because of their skin hue is now indeed fascist.

So, you think if anyone but a white male is hired, then it's discrimination. Got it.

 

[arthwollipot]

And there it is. The progressives' acceptable bigotry. So, yeah, the idea that no one should face discrimination because of their skin hue is now indeed fascist.

 

[Trausti]

So, you think if anyone but a white male is hired, then it's discrimination. Got it.

Just amazing how ferociously progressives hate white guys.

 

[Trausti]

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He only singled out White guys, Art. If you concur with that bigotry, don't hide it.

 

[AmyStrange]

Just amazing how ferociously progressives hate white guys.

Well since I'm a white male, why would I do that?

FYI, I love myself.

 

[Trausti]

Well since I'm a white male, why would I do that?

FYI, I love myself.

Ah, living proof that White liberals are the only ones with an outgroup preference.

 

[Trausti]

Maybe not exactly on topic, but funny.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1996769678581289253

 

[AmyStrange]

Well since I'm a white male, why would I do that?

FYI, I love myself.

I wonder how many DEI hires were questioned to see if they weren't qualified.

I'll bet that the opinion that DEI hires were based on a discrimination against white guys (like me) and not qualifications is based on insufficient data too