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GodMark2 said:
thaiboxerken said:
What "communist" ideas are supported on any Democratic platform?

I wonder if we've been POE'd by Prestige, who appears to be giving us a great example of what's wrong with today's Republican party.
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Letting brown people live next door?

We are using the GOP definition of 'communist', right?
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Considering the source, I expect it's a definition which would class Ayn Rand as a bleeding heart pinko.

Which might be the same thing as the GOP definition, these days.
 
dudalb said:
CHina is a CINO country...Communist In Name Only.
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It's an authoritarian socialist capitalist oligarchy, I guess. Like modern Russia, or Nazi Germany. That's also what the Republicans want, except without the socialist part.
I was going to say the only Communist country left is North Korea, but of course it's actually a monarchy.
 
CORed said:
But Obama was a radical socialist/communist/leftist wacko. Well, if you believed all the right wing loons on talk radio. What killed me about all of that was that Obama was actually pretty damned conservative for a Democrat; not entirely a bad thing in my view, but the propaganda had a lot of people convinced that he was some kind of extreme left-wing nut.
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Their propaganda has worked. By the GOP's current standards he was all of those things.
 
Octavo said:
Oh, they are. It's just they think it was Hillary wut dun it. As usual. Can't stir up an angry mob without someone to pitchfork, so poor 'ol Hillary is constantly having to stand in as the evil conspirator.
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That explains Trumpsters, but the OP is about normal rational Republicans who should be standing up against this.
 
Trakar said:
((Communists don't mind billionaires, it is socialism that can see billionaires as societal crony leeches, corralling through legalistic and economic shenanigans the people's resources for individual gratification, waste and generally corrupt decadence))
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As if the label one called oneself or one's party made you a magical creature, not subject to the corruption of money. :rolleyes:
 
Elagabalus said:
I'm sorry, which American President (more than any other) currently enjoys a very cozy relationship with the man who not only is ex-KGB but also reinstated the Soviet National anthem?
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Quick, look over there at that shiny object. Pay no attention to the Ruskies, they're good oligarchs now, success makes 'em the good guys.
 
CORed said:
Not particularly. Obama ran some pretty big deficits, but that was due to a combination of inheriting a wrecked economy and tax cuts from the previous administration that he couldn't reverse.
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So how do you reconcile that version of reality with this one: "Democrats think every problem can be solved with massive social spending"?

I'm a lifelong Democrat and I don't believe that. This is where I see people buying the marketed GOP messages and not looking at the actual facts.
 
quadraginta said:
80% of Republican voters think he's been doing just fine as President.

Normal rational Republicans are a rare and possibly vanishing breed.
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I refuse to believe normal Republicans all disappeared. I think a lot more people have been duped by the propaganda than before. But there are normal Republicans who are starting to notice the cost is too high and they aren't getting what they thought they were anyway when they supported Trump and the TEA Party and all those radical one-issue voters.
 
Horatius said:
I've seen this myself, since I fell away from the Canadian conservative parties in much the same way over the last decade or so, for similar reasons. But whenever I try to discuss this with the current supporters of the conservative party, more often then not, all I get is accusations of "loving Justin Trudeau" and being a "leftist" or "libtard".
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I wonder if this is a feature of conservatism. It seems to me that this is happening all over the world.
 
Trebuchet said:
One of whose agents went on to become a renowned medical examiner!
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Yeah. I've been kinda missing Ducky, and it isn't clear how much we'll be seeing of him next year.

Some David McCallum trivia. When first cast in Man From U.N.C.L.E he was only supposed to be a supporting guest character, but he stole the stage from their intended sex symbol, Robert Vaughn. (Yeah, I know.)

The godless Commie quickly became America's sweetheart.

While playing Kuryakin, McCallum received more fan mail than any other actor in Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer's history, including such popular MGM stars as Clark Gable and Elvis Presley.[9]
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I refuse to believe normal Republicans all disappeared. I think a lot more people have been duped by the propaganda than before. But there are normal Republicans who are starting to notice the cost is too high and they aren't getting what they thought they were anyway when they supported Trump and the TEA Party and all those radical one-issue voters.
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Come back when his approval rating among Republicans drops to some value significantly less than 80%, and we can talk about it then.

Until such a time, I'm sticking with my lying eyes.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I wonder if this is a feature of conservatism. It seems to me that this is happening all over the world.
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Sorta? To keep it simple, the kind of people that conservatism tends to attracts are frequently the kind of people that value loyalty significantly more than moderates or liberals. I would hesitate to say that it's a feature of conservatism so much as something that tends to go hand in hand with it.

quadraginta said:
Come back when his approval rating among Republicans drops to some value significantly less than 80%, and we can talk about it then.

Until such a time, I'm sticking with my lying eyes.
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The remaining 10-20% don't potentially count as normal Republicans?
 
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quadraginta said:
They might, but even if all of them do, at those percentages I don't think it's hyperbole to call them "a rare and possibly vanishing breed".
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I'm not so sure that "rare" applies with that many, but vanishing is very likely accurate, for multiple reasons. There are quite a few disillusioned Republicans leaving the party to become independents, it seems, like Fast Eddie B, and when the most trusted news for many of the Republicans is Fox News and its style of reporting, that's quite certainly been eroding the reasonability in the party, on top of the litmus tests (like signing the pledge to oppose all new taxes and reduce the ones that already exist if they can) that have been piling up for many of their major players.




uke2se said:
No, what Nazism did is attempt to attract workers from the left, especially the communists. If trying to get the working class to work (if you're white, anyway) is socialist, then Trump is a socialist.

Nazism is, and ever was, on the right.
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Ehh, I'll go back and actually answer this. uke2se, do you realize that by acting this way, you're just giving those on the right easy excuses to dismiss you? Much like when you tried to treat all fascism as if it was Nazism, if I recall correctly.

Fascism is on the extreme right. Most, if not all, of the parts of Nazism that led to the widespread very negative image of it are far better associated with the right. That doesn't mean that it, as a whole, Nazism actually fits particularly comfortably on the left-right spectrum. Nor does it mean that trying to handwave away the obvious for largely irrelevant reasons is going to be particularly convincing to anyone seriously checking it for flaws, as those on the right will fairly obviously be motivated to do.
 
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Aridas said:
Ehh, I'll go back and actually answer this. uke2se, do you realize that by acting this way, you're just giving those on the right easy excuses to dismiss you? Much like when you tried to treat all fascism as if it was Nazism, if I recall correctly.

Fascism is on the extreme right. Most, if not all, of the parts of Nazism that led to the widespread very negative image of it are far better associated with the right. That doesn't mean that it, as a whole, Nazism actually fits particularly comfortably on the left-right spectrum. Nor does it mean that trying to handwave away the obvious for largely irrelevant reasons is going to be particularly convincing to anyone seriously checking it for flaws, as those on the right will fairly obviously be motivated to do.
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I understand what you're saying, but you're dead wrong. Nazism is a subset of fascism. That's simply a fact. It's a right wing thing.

I know that - much like you are doing here - various right wing partisans have attempted to shift the burden of Nazism onto the left, but apart from a few dupes, they have failed. The reason for this is that nobody serious have ever put Nazism on any place than the right of the left-right political spectrum. You can argue, as I'm sure you will, that the left-right spectrum isn't complete or even a useful way of looking at politics, but that is what we're working with in this particular conversation as it pertains to US politics.
 
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What does it matter?
Even in its most benign interpretation, a National-Socialist system isn't self-sustaining.
 
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