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The Great Zaganza said:
What does it matter?
Even in its most benign interpretation, a National-Socialist system isn't self-sustaining.
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Sustainability wasn't the issue. The issue, as I see it, is that some people on the right have a tendency for historical revisionism in order to maintain their political beliefs. I'm pushing back.
 
uke2se said:
Sustainability wasn't the issue. The issue, as I see it, is that some people on the right have a tendency for historical revisionism in order to maintain their political beliefs. I'm pushing back.
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I agree that the agenda behind such revisionism is obvious.
But that agenda is also futile, since even their most rosy view of the "1000 year Reich" is still abysmally bad compare to modern democracies.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I wonder if this is a feature of conservatism. It seems to me that this is happening all over the world.
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I think that, thanks to the Internet, they're all playing from the same playbook, even when the plays make no sense.

For example, if you squint and tilt your head just right, you can kind of see why someone might believe that "Barrack Hussein Obama" might be a secret Muslim, and thus secretly want to create Sharia Law in the US.

But here in Canada, we have some conservative whackjobs who insist that our current Liberal government - led by Justin Trudeau, one of the whitest people in the country - are also secretly trying to create Sharia Law here in Canada. It's just a ridiculous notion, that doesn't even make sense in the squint and tilt your head version. And yet, they believe it so fervently that they'll interrupt public speaking events to rant about it.

Utterly ridiculous. But, "Hey, it worked against Obama...."
 
The Don said:
I'm still not clear about what major policy platforms the Democratic Party have that would make them unacceptable to moderate Republicans and thus force the creation of a third party. :confused:
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Sorry.

I meant to get to this sooner.

I’ll pass on making a list of Democratic Party policy platforms with which I disagree. Such a list could really cause this thread to spiral out of control, as each policy is debated.

I will instead voice my disaffection in threads relating to a given policy.

But thanks for asking!
 
I've seen several people say the Democratic Party has gone to the right.

On what issues? I'm honestly trying to figure out any policy position that is currently mainstream in the Democratic Party that is to the right of their policy positions from the 80's or 90's.
 
quadraginta said:
Come back when his approval rating among Republicans drops to some value significantly less than 80%, and we can talk about it then.

Until such a time, I'm sticking with my lying eyes.
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To be fair, that percentage is a misleading figure. More and more cases are turning out just like the OP; their disgust at what's going on is causing them to leave the republican side.

So while the percentage of Republicans supporting Trump may stay the same or even go higher, the actual numbers of people supporting him (and the overall percentage of the population supporting him) is going down.

Essentially, the moderate Republicans are leaving the Republican party, leaving the fanatical core.
 
Hellbound said:
To be fair, that percentage is a misleading figure. More and more cases are turning out just like the OP; their disgust at what's going on is causing them to leave the republican side.

So while the percentage of Republicans supporting Trump may stay the same or even go higher, the actual numbers of people supporting him (and the overall percentage of the population supporting him) is going down.

Essentially, the moderate Republicans are leaving the Republican party, leaving the fanatical core.
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I haven't seen any numbers. Maybe you could share some cites.

How much smaller is the GOP (defined as registered voters who describe themselves as Republicans) than it was in November, 2016?
 
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Travis said:
I've seen several people say the Democratic Party has gone to the right.

On what issues? I'm honestly trying to figure out any policy position that is currently mainstream in the Democratic Party that is to the right of their policy positions from the 80's or 90's.
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The one thing I have heard is Clinton shifted the Dems to the right on trade policy and economic globalism and Free Trade. NAFTA and TPP remain unpopular with the far left (also unpopular with the far right).

That's more a centrist policy, the edges of both parties oppose such things.

Also, it barely fits your timeline, and this became Dem policy in the mid/early 1990's - but remains a contentious issue.

I think Clinton also shifted the window right on some other economic issues, including some arcane regulatory issues that affect banks and stock trading and the way large businesses can structure their assets. Stuff I don't personally understand, but the far left seems to think it contributed towards the consolidation of wealth and power into a smaller group of people and large companies.
 
crescent said:
The one thing I have heard is Clinton shifted the Dems to the right on trade policy and economic globalism and Free Trade. NAFTA and TPP remain unpopular with the far left (also unpopular with the far right).

That's more a centrist policy, the edges of both parties oppose such things.

Also, it barely fits your timeline, and this became Dem policy in the mid/early 1990's - but remains a contentious issue.

I think Clinton also shifted the window right on some other economic issues, including some arcane regulatory issues that affect banks and stock trading and the way large businesses can structure their assets. Stuff I don't personally understand, but the far left seems to think it contributed towards the consolidation of wealth and power into a smaller group of people and large companies.
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Thanks for that attempt. I might just make a thread on that subject.
 
uke2se said:
I know that - much like you are doing here - various right wing partisans have attempted to shift the burden of Nazism onto the left,
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They have. Some of them have even raised points that are quite valid to consider, even if their general thrust missed the mark. I am not. Pretty clearly, quite frankly, given what I actually said in what you quoted and before then.

uke2se said:
but apart from a few dupes, they have failed.
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If only I could agree with you there. Partisanship is a bane to rationality and agreeable "alternative facts" have been shown, time and time again, to be inimical to unpleasant actual facts. Numerous examples could be mentioned, but you don't need examples of rightwingers presenting alternative facts as truth, do you?

uke2se said:
You can argue, as I'm sure you will, that the left-right spectrum isn't complete or even a useful way of looking at politics, but that is what we're working with in this particular conversation as it pertains to US politics.
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:rolleyes: No. Neither one of those claims even have anything meaningful to do with the things that I actually pointed out. That the left-right spectrum isn't perfect to describe everything is a fair criticism, but it does a pretty good job at describing the usual overall. Nazism is hardly "the usual" though, for reasons that aren't even remotely obscure.
 
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