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UK - Train firm apologise for "ladies and gentlemen" announcement

abaddon said:
OK so you are proposing that you are unable to distinguish between a homeless child and some entitled jerk on a train.
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I am completely lost now. Where are you getting this from? Where did I compare the people on the train to homeless kids?
 
abaddon said:
OK so you are proposing that you are unable to distinguish between a homeless child and some entitled jerk on a train.

If that is your view, then fine.

But it is a bit squiffy.
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Abaddon, seriously I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you expand on that? Where does this homeless child come from and what does he have to do with the discussion?
 
theprestige said:
But it's much more likely that everyone I'm addressing is either a man or a woman, than it is that they're all my friends. "Ladies and gentlemen" is inclusive and courteous. "Friends" is presumptuous.
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"Ladies and gentlemen" may once have been courteous. But it does not include people who are neither ladies nor gentlemen. And I consider myself to be a friend to all of humanity, whether they are ladies, gentlemen, both or neither.
 
arthwollipot said:
"Ladies and gentlemen" may once have been courteous. But it does not include people who are neither ladies nor gentlemen. And I consider myself to be a friend to all of humanity, whether they are ladies, gentlemen, both or neither.
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Still think "Dudes and Chicks.....Especially the hot chicks, and everyone else" has a good ring to it, and it includes everyone, repectfully.
 
arthwollipot said:
"Ladies and gentlemen" may once have been courteous. But it does not include people who are neither ladies nor gentlemen.
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And that's the thing. Language is always evolving. It's changed before, and it's not like the fact that it has to change again is somehow some kind of indictment of anyone who has ever used the phrase throughout history. But it's just reality that times change and language changes with it. Things that were "rad" or "fresh" when I was a kid are now "sick" or "dope". Words that used to be scandalously rude outside of a clinical setting are now acceptable in mixed conversation. You don't have to love any given change; but if you sit there and stew over every little social evolution that wasn't run past you for your personal sanction first, you're just going to be bitter and insufferable all the time because the process never ends and never will.
 
If there is one thing, and one thing only, that I hope readers take home from this thread (dog knows there's heaps I hope they don't), it is that it is not about offending people.

Today of all days it's about awareness, visibility and inclusion.
 
arthwollipot said:
If there is one thing, and one thing only, that I hope readers take home from this thread (dog knows there's heaps I hope they don't), it is that it is not about offending people.

Today of all days it's about awareness, visibility and inclusion.
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You are equating not having your specific non-gender status read out on some train station tannoy in the UK with the fight against transphobia?

OK....?

All good. Tend to not think they are related, but all good.

:boggled::boggled:
 
The Atheist said:
If agender or intersex people are non-binary, then the statement that "All nonbinary people have transgender identity" is false.

I have no idea why you need it repeated, but there you go.
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Because I wanted you to clarify which section of what you linked to you were referring to.

Look, at the end of the day it's not hugely important to the discussion other than for semantic nitpicking but what you linked to as far as I can see doesn't say that agender people are non-binary and explicitly says that intersex and non-binary are not the same thing.

I was actually interested to know what the correct usage is as I also believed like yourself that non-binary people wouldn't be considered transgender.
 
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arthwollipot said:
"Ladies and gentlemen" may once have been courteous. But it does not include people who are neither ladies nor gentlemen.
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Never has.

My old man was born in in the slums of London in 1917 and if anyone ever referred to him as a gentleman he'd probably have thumped them. To him a "gentleman" was some toff wanker whose guts he hated on sight.

But it never bothered him someone saying "ladies and gents" because it was just a way of letting people know you're about say something of note.

Politicising it is just rubbish.
 
So here are a couple of positions that people seem to have dug themselves into, and both are, in my opinion just plain silly:

1.) A company deciding to make a policy of replacing "ladies and gentleman" with something like, "Your attention, please...." is CulTuraL MarXism and Po\LiTaical Korrecktness Gone MAd Think of the childten the sky is falling in my day vote Brixet!!!11eleventy!

2.) But I'm NOT a lady and I am NOT a gentleman! I do not identify as either so the announcement erases my existence from the face of the Earth and reminds me of my loneliness and how nobody understands me!"

Look, "Ladies and gentleman" is a quaint piece of social language that has not been "accurate" since feudal times when frankly only a certain segment of the population mattered to anyone. I mean lady? Gentleman? Here's the thing - whatever your gender, or non-gender, nobody thinks you are a lady, and nobody thinks you are a gentleman.
 
Bit left field

Apparently the non-binary person works as a guard for another train company.

The company he is complaining about used to be owned by the same as the other one, but they lost the franchise a coupe of years ago.
 
arthwollipot said:
In case anyone still needs to have it explained like they're 5...
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How can anyone know whether they are one of the "people who feel they are either a male or a female," though? I'm not terribly confident other people experience qualia in the same way I do.
 
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