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Cont: UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

Scorpion said:
I saw a weird thing at six in the morning the other day. It was still completely dark outside and was making a cup of tea in the kitchen. The kitchen has no curtains and I saw something with flashing red and green lights fly across my field of view. I thought it was a distant plane but then it stopped moving and began to descend vertically. It came down and disappeared behind a nearby tree, and I realized then it was not up in the sky but quite close by. It was completely silent and the only thing I can think it was is a drone. But what anyone would be flying a drone over the town at six in the morning for, I can't imagine.
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I can. We have an airport nearby and so a drone “no fly” zone - unless you get permission outside of airport operating time and complete any drone flights before the start of daily operations. Fairly confident that that window for drones closes at 6 or 6:30 AM, as a group I’m a member of got permission to fly a photo survey of the area and early morning was when we had to shut down.

Imagine that!
 
Scorpion said:
I saw a weird thing at six in the morning the other day. It was still completely dark outside and was making a cup of tea in the kitchen. The kitchen has no curtains and I saw something with flashing red and green lights fly across my field of view. I thought it was a distant plane but then it stopped moving and began to descend vertically. It came down and disappeared behind a nearby tree, and I realized then it was not up in the sky but quite close by. It was completely silent and the only thing I can think it was is a drone. But what anyone would be flying a drone over the town at six in the morning for, I can't imagine.
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It was a plane. It wasn't close by. It didn't descend, it turned so that it was flying directly away from you.

Let me guess - red light on the left and green on the right? Since there's a little bit of red port left in the bottle, the plane was flying away from you.
 
Scorpion said:
I saw a weird thing at six in the morning the other day. It was still completely dark outside and was making a cup of tea in the kitchen. The kitchen has no curtains and I saw something with flashing red and green lights fly across my field of view. I thought it was a distant plane but then it stopped moving and began to descend vertically. It came down and disappeared behind a nearby tree, and I realized then it was not up in the sky but quite close by. It was completely silent and the only thing I can think it was is a drone. But what anyone would be flying a drone over the town at six in the morning for, I can't imagine.
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Keep a phone or even a cheap digital camera nearby. It'd be nice to see what you're seeing. Even a blurry video is worth, oh maybe 500-600 words by my calculation.
 
zooterkin said:
There is something, but not a great deal. The actual info is very much what was presented by Dr David Clarke at QEDCon 2023.
The photo appears to be genuine, and was apparently suppressed by the authorities. What it's a photo of, and who took it, remain mysteries, but mainly due to lack of information. It was taken at the time of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, so it is possible it was an experimental aircraft being tested.

QED rewatch: UFOs, UAPs, and the Quest for Understanding (2023) | QED 2024

In an age of omnipresent camera technology coupled with advanced image and video manipulation tools, ufology has witnessed a renaissance. Last year even saw public hearings in Washington DC, airing the evidence (or lack thereof) for what are now often known as UAPs (Unidentified Anomalous...
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How on earth did they come to that conclusion?
 
That's a good question.

The last time we discussed the Calvine photo here, this useful Metabunk post was linked, with a summary: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/claim-original-calvine-ufo-photo.12571/page-5#post-276815

The closest thing I can see about anyone "suppressing" anything is a screwup where the negatives got lost. The MOD says they were sent back to the Daily Record but nobody knows where they are.

I can't now un-see the photo as just a pic taken looking down into a lake, with the reflection of a Harrier jet passing over, and there's the corner of something (plastic sack? cardboard box?) sticking out of the water.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
That's a good question.

The last time we discussed the Calvine photo here, this useful Metabunk post was linked, with a summary: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/claim-original-calvine-ufo-photo.12571/page-5#post-276815

The closest thing I can see about anyone "suppressing" anything is a screwup where the negatives got lost. The MOD says they were sent back to the Daily Record but nobody knows where they are.

I can't now un-see the photo as just a pic taken looking down into a lake, with the reflection of a Harrier jet passing over, and there's the corner of something (plastic sack? cardboard box?) sticking out of the water.
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And there is the confusion about whether the secret UFO picture and this one are the same, the one in the RAF base was meant to be very clear and this one is very unclear. I looked at the best versions of this image (long since not been a photo) and it's very unclear, colour information long gone, compression artifacts and so on. Personally as far as I am concerned this is an image of a body of water with a small island in the distance and what amounts to a silhouette of someone in a small boat.
 
Darat said:
And there is the confusion about whether the secret UFO picture and this one are the same, the one in the RAF base was meant to be very clear and this one is very unclear. I looked at the best versions of this image (long since not been a photo) and it's very unclear, colour information long gone, compression artifacts and so on. Personally as far as I am concerned this is an image of a body of water with a small island in the distance and what amounts to a silhouette of someone in a small boat.
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That's my impression, too. Unfortunately without the other photographs, we have no idea how fast the jet/person-in-a-boat may have been moving. Indeed, absent of timestamps, which would not be in the pictures or the negatives, we could not know.
 
A thought occurred to me:

Does the Venn diagram of people who think that the moon landing was a hoax overlap with people who think that aliens have visited earth in spaceships?
 
Seems like they should contraindicate each other. But yeah, I'm pretty sure they do overlap because neither one is based on evidence or logic.
 
Puppycow said:
Seems like they should contraindicate each other. But yeah, I'm pretty sure they do overlap because neither one is based on evidence or logic.
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I don't see why they should contraindicate each other. Nothing about the hypothesis that the US didn't land on the moon in the 60s rules out other civilizations visiting other planets at other times.
 
Well, there are various reasons people give for their disbelief in the moon landings. If you think we can't fly into space because 'the firmament' is an impenetrable crystal dome above us then that would probably also preclude your believing in flying saucers coming the other way.
 
Puppycow said:
See if you can figure it out for yourself.
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I've already come up with two lines of reasoning you might have followed, both easily rebutted. Rather than throw strawmans at you, I'd rather just understand what your actual line of reasoning is.

What's obvious to me is that disparate tech levels are a thing, and that it's quite possible for one civilization to have technology that another does not possess and has to fake. For example, Russia faked a western tech level for decades.
 
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