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Trump's Second Term

JayUtah said:
Indeed, of a the proposals so far from the Trump administration, this one gets the least argument from me. The prevalence of the "Take a penny, leave a penny" tray at many stores indicates that we already consider a matter of a few cents to be trivial.

I think the problem is that Americans are just weird about their coins. I have a Susan. B. Anthony dollar coin in my desk. That died for practical reasons: it couldn't be easily distinguished from the 25-cent piece. I also have a few of the "golden dollar" coins. They're not widely in circulation either. The American coin purse as presently constituted seems strangely immune to mutation.
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I agree, but choosing Sean Curran to run the Secret Service wasn't outrageous either, but that's my opinion. Your mileage may vary of course.


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angrysoba said:
Probably best not to give them ideas.

I expect that they are using the term hyperbolically. These people think nothing of referring to their personal enemies as pedophiles or criminals, despite Trump actually being a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.
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That sounds a bit incomplete. That pedophile label? 13 year old Jane Doe and Ivanka are a couple examples of people who seem to have cause to call Trump a pedo, either way.

lionking said:
Wrong. There are an awful lot of misogynists who don’t give a ◊◊◊◊ about women’s rights and safety being eroded by biological men masquerading as women.
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As a side note, at last check, there was significant overlap between the groups that historically opposed women's sports altogether and those making a fuss about trans people in sports.

stanfr said:
Huh...interesting. Yeah I think people missed my point--the reason it is $1.99 here is that most people assume (psychologically) that $1.99 is a much better bargain than $2 so are more likely to buy. Which is why I said that $1.95 would be not popular with merchants cause that would be their only option--$2.00 is not an option because at least here, studies have shown people are far less likely to buy at $2 than $1.99.
I personally view $1.99 as "greater" than $2.00 because in my mind, 1+9+9 is 19 while 2.00 is just 2. :p But according to my wife that is either because I am "on the spectrum" or insane, or maybe both. I'm willing to consider either...
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If it was just psychological, then I don't think your previous post offered much reason to address that, yeah. Somewhat realistically, though, I doubt that the prices would change anytime soon. There are plenty of pennies in circulation, after all, and people like myself almost never use physical forms of money in the first place.
 
AmyStrange said:
That's the best arguement I've heard so far.


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I know, right?

But that really isn't the reason they should have dumped the penny decades ago. There's a scene in the West Wing where Sam Seaborn ihas a bit of dialog with Josh about the uselessness of the penny and offers a reason (not a good reason) why it hasn't been dumped. He said it was because Lincoln was on the penny and the political power of the State of Illinois. It being Lincoln's home State. That was in 2004.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Although, I do have a hard time arguing against this, because I really do love animals:

DOGE Moves To End Animal Testing—Saving Americans $45 Billion Per Year In Spending


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The ethics of animal testing has long been an issue worthy of discussion, of course. There's legitimate arguments to be made. "Saving Americans money" just ends up being an utterly inane attempted justification, though. The old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is still extremely applicable and the Trump Administration seems hellbent on forcing the American people to pay for the overwhelmingly more costly cures.
 
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Aridas said:
The ethics of animal testing has long been an issue worthy of discussion, of course. There's legitimate arguments to be made. "Saving Americans money" just ends up being an utterly inane attempted justification, though. The old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is still extremely applicable and the Trump Administration seems hellbent on forcing the American people to pay for the cures.
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I worked at the Hutch (Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center), and a large part of the research there was done with mice.

The mice were treated very well, but they were all euthanized at the end of their usefulness (at the end of the research they were a part of), and I didn't like that one bit.

But what was worse (for me anyway) was that they were also euthanized if they "accidently" ended up (even for a second) on the Dark Side---that was my nickname for the dirty side where the dirty cages were washed, because it was considered contaminated.

I was actually able to save a few, because I instituted a rule that every rack (with cages) had to be inspected before being pushed all the way into the room.


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AmyStrange said:
Although, I do have a hard time arguing against this too, because I really do love animals:

DOGE Moves To End Animal Testing—Saving Americans $45 Billion Per Year In Spending
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I'm having a hard time accepting that the cost of animals used in testing is $45 BILLION per annum.

I suspect that figure is the total cost of funding to the testing businesses that happen to include the use of animals in the process, and also includes buildings, equipment, salaries, etc., etc.

In effect, DOGE wants to shut down a whole $45 billion sector of science, and the lab mice are an excuse. Nice... :sarcasm:
 
stanfr said:
Huh...interesting. Yeah I think people missed my point--the reason it is $1.99 here is that most people assume (psychologically) that $1.99 is a much better bargain than $2 so are more likely to buy. Which is why I said that $1.95 would be not popular with merchants cause that would be their only option--$2.00 is not an option because at least here, studies have shown people are far less likely to buy at $2 than $1.99.
I personally view $1.99 as "greater" than $2.00 because in my mind, 1+9+9 is 19 while 2.00 is just 2. :p But according to my wife that is either because I am "on the spectrum" or insane, or maybe both. I'm willing to consider either...
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I think people hardly notice it any more, but gas stations still post their prices ending in the fraction 9/10 (or .9). Back in the days when gas was 36 9/10 cents per gallon, that fraction's difference meant a lot more. Just wondering if they are going to round up (they sure as hell won't round down) and end prces in a 5 or 0? Or maybe The POSOTUS will issue an executive order eliminating the fraction and can declare "SEE??? I saved you money on gas prices!!!"
 
Norman Alexander said:
I'm having a hard time accepting that the cost of animals used in testing is $45 BILLION per annum.

I suspect that figure is the total cost of funding to the testing businesses that happen to include the use of animals in the process, and also includes buildings, equipment, salaries, etc., etc.

In effect, DOGE wants to shut down a whole $45 billion sector of science, and the lab mice are an excuse. Nice... :sarcasm:
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Well, I don't know if this will help, but this is what it cost at the Hutch where I worked:

www.fredhutch.org

Financial Summaries & Impact Reporting

Fred Hutch is transparent and accountable to the public and provides key financial information including annual reports, audited financial statements and a letter of 501(c)3 tax-exempt status.
www.fredhutch.org


We also have another place that does cancer research in Seattle, but it specifically concentrates on children (and there might be more, but I'm too lazy to check) and they also do animal research, but chances are just about every major university does it also, not to mention the pharm industry.

Am I the only one who thinks that I should've started this discussion in the USAID thread?


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I just remembered that the government has been secretly doing away with pennies for years.

When you file your taxes, it's all rounded up to the next dollar, right?

They even do it with my monthly SSI payment.


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Judges would need to order US Marshall's to arrest the administration. The US Marshall's ultimately work for trump..so he would call the Marshall's off. This is what will shred the constitution because the rule of law will no longer exist
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This is their plan all along. They have the votes in Congress to pass all of this so why exec order? To completely destroy the judicial system AND Congress in one blow.

He’s a dictator now.
 
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