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Trump's Second Term

Trump gave his two week warning. Only a lot of people knew he was going to act and demand things from Iran. As soon as Israel acted june 13th, iran made plans to truck everything out of the facilities. Trump's surprise "two days after" was no surprise.
 
Can't help but think the USA may have just bombed some cardboard and tinfoil decoys... Doubtful that any country developing nuclear weapons has signs on the fences advertising the sites.
 
Tero said:
Trump gave his two week warning. Only a lot of people knew he was going to act and demand things from Iran.
As soon as Israel acted june 13th, iran made plans to truck everything out of the facilities. Trump's surprise "two days after" was no surprise.
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Says who? The Trump administration? This is a central problem. Trump and his administration has proven itself over and over and over again to be dishonest. Why would anyone believe them?
 
acbytesla said:
Says who? The Trump administration? This is a central problem. Trump and his administration has proven itself over and over and over again to be dishonest. Why would anyone believe them?
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This is one of those things where it's reasonable to question the source of the claim, yes, but it would be thoroughly unsurprising to be true. Trump's track record with regards to Iran is horrendous enough that Iran rapidly taking steps to guard against his all too likely aggression is outright sensible. With that said, Israel's strikes would have also made it entirely sensible for Iran to take similar precautions.

As a side note, those complaining about Biden not bringing back the Iran deal do have something of a point, but it's a point that's practically irrelevant compared to the fallout from Trump and the Republicans' actions. Trump disregarding and nullifying any deal made with Iran, again, would pretty much be expected by everyone, especially Iran, after all.
 
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Garrison said:
To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.
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For decades, US foreign policy has been clear. If you don't have nukes, doing something that even mildly annoys us will get you bombed and/or invaded. If you have nukes, you can do whatever you want and you'll get little more than a firmly-worded letter.
If a nation is worried that the US may dislike them at some point, it's in their best interests to look into the possibility of nukes.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Not a cult

Q: The DNI concluded in March that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon. So what new intelligence does the US have since then that Iran changed its position?

HEGSETH: The president has made it very clear that he's looked at all the intelligence and come to the conclusion that the Iranian nuclear program is a threat

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936764279090245889
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The president has made it very clear that [lorem ipsum]…
 
I really have problems with the Iran is an innocent party belief common in these threads.
There are colficting ideas of how close Iran was t a nuclaer weapon, but I think poo pooing of Iran's Nulcear ambitions I see here is wrong and dangerous.
There really is a if Trump does not like you, you must be a good guy attitude among some poseter hers.\Of course they will deny it.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
BRENNAN: Why would Iran agree to any peace deal if the US has already pulled out of one that they had, as President Trump did in 2018, and now launched surprise attacks?

RUBIO: The ones that shouldn't be trusted are the Iranians

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936799388921102766
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JFC! He didn’t answer the question, Marge! Ask it again and again and don’t stop until he does, directly! ◊◊◊◊!
 
Andy_Ross said:
WELKER: Do you and President Trump trust the US intelligence community and its assessments?

JD VANCE: Of course we trust our intelligence community, but we also trust our instincts

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936792767935488140
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Now…ask the follow up to his insipid answer: And when the two are 180 degrees out of alignment?

◊◊◊◊ the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ incompetent ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ media!
 
dudalb said:
I really have problems with the Iran is an innocent party belief common in these threads.
There are colficting ideas of how close Iran was t a nuclaer weapon, but I think poo pooing of Iran's Nulcear ambitions I see here is wrong and dangerous.
There really is a if Trump does not like you, you must be a good guy attitude among some poseter hers.\Of course they will deny it.
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No one is saying that. Least of all me. Still, I have much less faith in Trump than I did in George W. Bush. I mean Bush only lied occasionally. I trusted George W. Bush and he was lying about Iraq.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.....
 
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Both Ukraine and Iran got attacked because they didn't have nukes.
This is the result of the Israeli and US attacks: every State will want to have nukes.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't think anyone should trust the Ayatollah.
I don't think anyone should trust Netanyahu.
I don't think anyone should trust Putin.
And I don't think anyone should trust Trump and his collection of sycophants.

I'm not sure where that leaves us.
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As regular people living ordinary lives, with no power over the affairs of nations, no matter how strongly we feel about current events?
 
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