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Trump's Second Term

Jack by the hedge said:
What's Miller's alt hist novel going to be about? An America which walled itself in some time in the '60s then decades later sends explorers out to discover a strange other world where people talk in odd ways about "kilogrammes" and "kilometres", and don't know what Gilligan's Island is?
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Apparently, it has the working title "National School Curriculum".
 
Ziggurat said:
It was sent from the wrong location, after Epstein was dead. It doesn’t take the FBI to figure out it’s fake.
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Actually it does. The postmark and dating are pretty much irrelevant because in the prison. system (take it from someone who used to work in the criminal justice system) letters often get moved around and delayed for days, weeks, or months. So completely impossible without investigation to determine when it was written, postmarked, or mailed, and where it originated. I am not convinced one way or the other, but I know the DOJ is not trustworthy.
Ziggurat said:
Many of those files are likely garbage. They get a tip from a lunatic or a prankster or just a liar, it creates a document that goes in the file. It doesn’t get purged even if they know it’s garbage. And many of them might not be garbage but of little significance. For example, a credit card receipt might establish Epstein’s location at a certain date and time, but not tell us anything else. Such documents also might have a lot of redundancy, which could be useful if the case went to trial and some of them get thrown out on technicalities, but that doesn’t matter now. You seem to be impressed by the number of documents, but the number of documents tells us nothing useful.
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Well, while the number of documents does not necessarily prove any particular allegation, it does give us a clue on the scope of the investigation, which was quite large, broad, and long lasting. That was my only point.
Ziggurat said:
Where exactly are you getting that number? If you cite some news source, where did they get it from? Is that a real number with evidence to back it up, or is that just somebody’s ass pull that got turned into conventional wisdom by repetition?
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There have been a number of estimates and figures put out by law enforcement agencies and victims' advocates. Part of the problem is that because victims names have been redacted and protected, it is hard to find a reliable figure. But we know it is more than just a handful. Since you seem to trust this corrupt DOJ, just take their word for it that there are 1200 victims (as reported by the ever reliable Fox News):
1200 victims
 
stanfr said:
Actually it does. The postmark and dating are pretty much irrelevant because in the prison. system (take it from someone who used to work in the criminal justice system) letters often get moved around and delayed for days, weeks, or months. So completely impossible without investigation to determine when it was written, postmarked, or mailed, and where it originated.
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It was postmarked from the wrong place.
stanfr said:
Well, while the number of documents does not necessarily prove any particular allegation, it does give us a clue on the scope of the investigation, which was quite large, broad, and long lasting. That was my only point.
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The scope of an investigation does not always indicate the scope of crimes being investigated. The latter is what's being alleged.
stanfr said:
There have been a number of estimates and figures put out by law enforcement agencies and victims' advocates. Part of the problem is that because victims names have been redacted and protected, it is hard to find a reliable figure. But we know it is more than just a handful.
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20 is more than a handful. Was it 20? Was it 100? Was it 1500?
stanfr said:
Since you seem to trust this corrupt DOJ, just take their word for it that there are 1200 victims (as reported by the ever reliable Fox News):
1200 victims
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First, it's not 1200 victims, it's 1200 victims and relatives of victims. I hope you can figure out how this number, even if accurate, could mean much less than 1200 victims. But I have no idea if it's accurate, because I don't know how the DOJ came up with it. Even if it's an honestly obtained number, that doesn't mean it is correct.
 
stanfr said:
Actually it does. The postmark and dating are pretty much irrelevant because in the prison. system (take it from someone who used to work in the criminal justice system) letters often get moved around and delayed for days, weeks, or months. So completely impossible without investigation to determine when it was written, postmarked, or mailed, and where it originated. I am not convinced one way or the other, but I know the DOJ is not trustworthy.
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i’m personally inclined to think the letter is fake. even if real, it’s proof epstein mailed a letter. the evidence of the claims made against trump will be found elsewhere
 
Ziggurat said:
t was postmarked from the wrong place.
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So? As I tried to explain to you, that is irrelevant. Rather than give you a lengthy explanation, this person summarizes it quite nicely:
USPS is weird
Ziggurat said:
The scope of an investigation does not always indicate the scope of crimes being investigated. The latter is what's being alleged.
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Simple question: Do YOU believe Epstein was the only guilty party (aside from Maxwell) in this ring??
Ziggurat said:
First, it's not 1200 victims, it's 1200 victims and relatives of victims. I hope you can figure out how this number, even if accurate, could mean much less than 1200 victims. But I have no idea if it's accurate, because I don't know how the DOJ came up with it. Even if it's an honestly obtained number, that doesn't mean it is correct.
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Have you been to Epstein's Island? You seem to want to die on it.
 
Ziggurat said:
First off, the restrictions on long range strikes
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Irrelevant. That's one thing and I was referring to another, with the Javelin anti-tank missiles being the weapons that were restricted most famously, not being allowed to be taken to anywhere remotely close to where they could be used.
 
dirtywick said:
i’m personally inclined to think the letter is fake. even if real, it’s proof epstein mailed a letter. the evidence of the claims made against trump will be found elsewhere
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I think if it were authenticated, it could be used in a trial against Trump (it aint hearsay) since it is consistent with other statements by Epstein that he could take Trump down with the dirt he had on him. A handwriting analysis would be useful, too bad we have none other than DOJ claims. I think the problems mentioned by the DOJ (postmarking etc) are easily explainable as the link I gave to Zig explains. If I had to put money on it, I might bet on fakeness, but I don't think it has been conclusively shown to be. Obviously, the DOJ thought just saying 'fake' would be enough evidence to convince the public, otherwise they would not have released it (Or it would have been completely black)
 
Aridas said:
Irrelevant. That's one thing and I was referring to another, with the Javelin anti-tank missiles being the weapons that were restricted most famously, not being allowed to be taken to anywhere remotely close to where they could be used.
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Are you talking about this?
www.twz.com

Ukraine Cleared To Move Javelin Missiles To Front Lines To Blow Up Russian Tanks "Defensively"

Ukrainian forces were previously prohibited from using the missiles against Russian or Russian-backed forces barring a full-on enemy offensive.
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Those restrictions were lifted during the first Trump administration, before the 2022 invasion. And Javelins absolutely were used on the front line, to rather dramatic effect. Compare that to Obama who refused to give Ukraine any weapons at all.
 
Interesting video by perun (day job in military procurement in Australia) on the Trump class.

It's more of a bad idea than I realised.

 
They went through the Russia Russia hoax together.

Trump: "I saw a very interesting President Putin today. I mean, he wants to see it happen. He wants to see it. He told me very strongly. I believe him. Don't forget, we went through the Russia Russia Russia hoax together and he'd call me, I'd call him, I'd say 'Can you believe the stuff they're making up?' It turned out we were right. They made it all up."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005400883262022076
 
stanfr said:
I think if it were authenticated, it could be used in a trial against Trump (it aint hearsay) since it is consistent with other statements by Epstein that he could take Trump down with the dirt he had on him. A handwriting analysis would be useful, too bad we have none other than DOJ claims. I think the problems mentioned by the DOJ (postmarking etc) are easily explainable as the link I gave to Zig explains. If I had to put money on it, I might bet on fakeness, but I don't think it has been conclusively shown to be. Obviously, the DOJ thought just saying 'fake' would be enough evidence to convince the public, otherwise they would not have released it (Or it would have been completely black)
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i agree i don't think it's conclusively real or fake

the doj has been selectively redacting and releasing their own pieces of the epstein files, think of michael jackson with his own kids with their faces blacked out and a few other people and names, that i believe they may have put a few red herrings in there. much like the steele dossier and the pee tape, it's something people want to talk about since it's so controversial, but that's ultimately a little silly and irrelevant distraction
 
Ziggurat said:
Are you talking about this?
www.twz.com

Ukraine Cleared To Move Javelin Missiles To Front Lines To Blow Up Russian Tanks "Defensively"

Ukrainian forces were previously prohibited from using the missiles against Russian or Russian-backed forces barring a full-on enemy offensive.
www.twz.com www.twz.com

Those restrictions were lifted during the first Trump administration, before the 2022 invasion. And Javelins absolutely were used on the front line, to rather dramatic effect. Compare that to Obama who refused to give Ukraine any weapons at all.
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Ukraine was for much of Obama's time a virtual Russian client state. They had to get their state organised after the Maidan revolution. When Russia took Crimea Ukraine was simply incapable of defending itself. America was not going to intervene directly. The US and Russia have always tried to avoid direct confrontation.

When Ukraine showed it could stand up for itself during the general invasion it demonstrated an ability to defend itself.

Biden was always very cautious about weapons and rules for using them because Putin kept threatening escalation and the MAGA crowd were shouting about imminent nuclear war.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Trump: "I saw a very interesting President Putin today. I mean, he wants to see it happen. He wants to see it. He told me very strongly. I believe him. Don't forget, we went through the Russia Russia Russia hoax together and he'd call me, I'd call him, I'd say 'Can you believe the stuff they're making up?' It turned out we were right. They made it all up."
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Every time I think there is no way Trump could say anything more insane than his last comment, he proves me wrong...
Here he is, describing their bromance...which in and of itself establishes that Trump is equally as trustworthy as the world's other best known murderous dictator, and his choice of words keeps getting more and more bizarre... "It turned out we were right" --So, he needed confirmation of his own delusions?? He needed independent verification that the lies they were telling each other weren't lies? How long do we have to wait for the 25th to be invoked?? I would not be surprised at this point if he suddenly starts blabbing about his time on Epstein Island, when he and his best pal Jeff would discuss how their mutual love of 'nubile young girls' would someday be proven to be a hoax perpetrated by his fellow Democrats...:unsure:
 
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