Trump's Second Term

[psionl0]

Do Trump supporters ever bother to fact check him? This took me about 15 minutes.

Your comment "This didn't ring true to me . . ." probably answers your question. Had what the "nice guy" said rang true to you then you probably wouldn't have fact checked him. We are more likely to fact check something if we want to prove somebody wrong. It's human nature.

So Trump supporters don't fact check him because everything he says "rings true" to them.

 

[acbytesla]

Your comment "This didn't ring true to me . . ." probably answers your question. Had what the "nice guy" said rang true to you then you probably wouldn't have fact checked him. We are more likely to fact check something if we want to prove somebody wrong. It's human nature.

So Trump supporters don't fact check him because everything he says "rings true" to them.

You're probably right. But I didn't fact check him to prove him wrong. I fact checked him so I would know what the truth was. I fact checked what I said about Sioux City at the same time. Unlike Trump, I find it horrifying to think I kept saying something that was false when I could have checked

The distance between Argentina to the closest US port, (Miami) is 4500 miles. 5,200 to NYC. ,It's almost 7,000 miles to Seattle. There is cheap labor much closer that I'm sure would be willing to slice up a cow. Plus, I knew the history of the USDA and beef.

 

[psionl0]

I didn't fact check him to prove him wrong.

You fact checked him because you suspected his claim was wrong and you wanted to test it. In order to be brief, I didn't list all of the reasons that a claim might be fact checked but this is one of them.

The main point remains. We tend not to fact check claims we believe are true.

 

[acbytesla]

You fact checked him because you suspected his claim was wrong and you wanted to test it. In order to be brief, I didn't list all of the reasons that a claim might be fact checked but this is one of them.

The main point remains. We tend not to fact check claims we believe are true.

Absolutely true. I guess I thought that almost anyone would check this. But of course I know better. Not everyone is like me. It's things like this that made me think the adults teaching me the Noah and other Bible stories were full of crap. Some things just don't make sense.

 

[arthwollipot]

The main point remains. We tend not to fact check claims we believe are true.

The day I learned that I should fact check something I believed was true was life-changing for me. I even remember to do it sometimes.

 

[Darat]

Fact checkers are lying liberal propagandists, after all.

Reality is just an opinion...

 

[steenkh]

The day I learned that I should fact check something I believed was true was life-changing for me. I even remember to do it sometimes.

My life as a skeptic has made me a cynic who don’t believe things that seem too good to be true. Perhaps I don’t fact check them, but I do reserve some disbelief for almost everything.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I don't think Khamenei really cares much about his own personal survival. But in any event, killing Khamenei would be a terrible, terrible blunder. Let him talk all he wants! The more the better! Iranians already know he lies his ass off. But they would see killing the Supreme Leader as a horrendous attack on their sovereignty. More so than the nuclear sites, I believe. Besides, why does Trump give up so much information that the doesn't need to? He's going to end up burning Iranian assets. HE knew where the Supreme Leader was - great, now the SL knows there are U.S. and/or Israeli moles in his inner circle feeding information to the enemy. Khamenei is a complete and total jerkwad. Don't make him a martyr. And Donald please STFU - Is he going to start bragging about how highly placed his informers are? But Donald, please do go on about $1.98 gas and the Civil War ending in 1869 or "whatever." Jesus that "whatever" is so incredibly lame, but maybe again he is telling silly lies to take attention off of other things.

Also: Did the White House or anyone claim that the bunker busters WERE used on the Isfahan site? The one I kept hearing about was Fordow. Unless the White House specifically said Isfahan was hit with the MOP or whatever this is not a big deal to me.

He's telling silly lies to sound more important, more knowledgeable, more dynamic and more in control than he actually is.

Edit: forgot to say that the above is the behaviour of a small child who has not learnt self control or yet fully grasped the theory of personhood.

 

[Mojo]

Hey, 20,000 posts! Do we get pizza?

ETA: some posts got split to a new thread, so no pizza yet.

 

[Darat]

Moved the discussion regarding the claim you can be sent to prison for fact checking to its own thread: UK - Fact checking can result in prison Keep it to that thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Mike!]

Very few people ever bother to fact check anything.

Which is a shame, since we now live in an age where the answer to pretty much any question you could ask is available, literally at your fingertips.
It's the desire to seek out and accept those answers that is in dreadfully short supply.

 

[Andy_Ross]

delete

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Donald has been nominated twice.
Does that mean he can get 2 prizes?



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There are people who have won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry or the Nobel Prize in Physics twice, so it's likely to be possible to win the Nobel Peace Prize twice.

Then there is the issue of whether President Taco and RFK, Jr. should share the Nobel Prize in Medicine for ridding the world of the scourge of vaccines.

 

[shemp]

State Patrol no longer part of 'GJ Highway Hitters' group chat

Colorado State Patrol personnel are no longer involved with a Signal group chat used by law enforcement for drug interdiction purposes.

www.gjsentinel.com

Colorado State Patrol personnel are no longer involved with a Signal group chat used by law enforcement for drug interdiction purposes.

Information from the chat, named “GJ Highway Hitters,” was used by Immigration and Customs Enforcement to detain Caroline Dias Goncalves, a 19-year-old college student from Utah who was born in Brazil but moved to the U.S. at age seven, with her parents seeking asylum. Dias Goncalves is in the U.S. legally and has no criminal record.

Signal is an encrypted messaging service for text messages, voice calls and video calls.

Dias Goncalves was picked up by ICE on June 5 after a stop by Mesa County Sheriff Investigator Alexander Zwinck, ostensibly for following a semitrailer too closely.

Dias Goncalves was released from ICE custody Friday.

The Sheriff’s Office said information from the chat was used for immigration purposes “contrary” to Colorado law, which prevents local law enforcement from investigating residency status during traffic stops.

Zwinck has been put on administrative leave pending an investigation, and all MCSO personnel have been removed from the chat, the Sheriff’s Office said.

Colorado State Patrol also made the decision to remove its personnel from the chat as a result of the Dias Goncalves case, according to CSP spokesperson Wendy Forbes.

“Multiple law enforcement agencies used this group chat, including the Colorado State Patrol. Our purpose was for operations targeted at combating drug trafficking and organized crime. While the Colorado State Patrol did not contact Miss Goncalves, this case prompted the Patrol to reevaluate its use of the group chat due to the apparent lack of shared purpose among all agencies on the platform. As of June 18, leadership directed Patrol members to no longer share information on this chat,” Forbes said in an email.

This young woman was held by ICE for 23 days for no reason. At least the police have wised up and have stopped using this channel which leaks info to ICE.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If anyone is wondering why the leader of NATO called him daddy , it's because people have figured out the best way to get him to agree with you.

 

[Garrison]

The people on r/conservative are not all MAGA - and I have mixed feelings about that. A lot of them seem to be single-issue people, and as long as he supports *their* issue at least kind of, sort of, he has a coalition. The cultists don't necessarily believe him all the time. They just give him a pass. Anyway Dems need to be messaging what they are for: Only strategic tariffs; reproductive choice, universal health care; and ... possibly state's rights to regulate AI? Because this seemed to really bug some conservative people.

I don't know if it's good or bad, but the big booty-full bill bars states from regulating AI for 10 years.

But you only have to look at what happened with the Affordable Care Act, a hostile media persuaded millions of people that something that would make their lives better had to be opposed at all costs. The only chance the Democrats have is to put up young and charismatic politicians, if they try to focus on facts and policy they will just get bogged down.

 

[Mojo]

But you only have to look at what happened with the Affordable Care Act, a hostile media persuaded millions of people that something that would make their lives better had to be opposed at all costs.

For a certain sector of the U.S. electorate, the fact that something will make other people's lives better is ample reason to oppose it.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

I vote yes. In fact this might be enough to get Dump to die of sheer fury.

Presidents are not kings, but I'm all down for Trump channeling Valentinian I!

 

[Norman Alexander]

References

330. Trump: “Why would the so-called “Supreme Leader,” Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, of the war torn Country of Iran, say so blatantly and foolishly that he won the War with Israel, when he knows his statement is a lie, it is not so. As a man of great faith, he is not supposed to lie. His Country was decimated, his three evil Nuclear Sites were OBLITERATED, and I knew EXACTLY where he was sheltered, and would not let Israel, or the U.S. Armed Forces, by far the Greatest and Most Powerful in the World, terminate his life. I SAVED HIM FROM A VERY UGLY AND IGNOMINIOUS DEATH, and he does not have to say, “THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP!” In fact, in the final act of the War, I demanded that Israel bring back a very large group of planes, which were heading directly to Tehran, looking for a big day, perhaps the final knockout! Tremendous damage would have ensued, and many Iranians would have been killed. It was going to be the biggest attack of the War, by far. During the last few days, I was working on the possible removal of sanctions, and other things, which would have given a much better chance to Iran at a full, fast, and complete recovery - The sanctions are BITING! But no, instead I get hit with a statement of anger, hatred, and disgust, and immediately dropped all work on sanction relief, and more. Iran has to get back into the World Order flow, or things will only get worse for them. They are always so angry, hostile, and unhappy, and look at what it has gotten them - A burned out, blown up Country, with no future, a decimated Military, a horrible Economy, and DEATH all around them. They have no hope, and it will only get worse! I wish the leadership of Iran would realize that you often get more with HONEY than you do with VINEGAR. PEACE!!!”

This is much more likely to be the output of Stephen Miller and perhaps Peter Navarro, fed through a "Trump AI" filter. The real Donald Trump could not hold all these thoughts in his head at one time and still type coherently with two thumbs. Even if he was just copying it out, it would bore him to sleep.

 

[Paul2]

You fact checked him because you suspected his claim was wrong and you wanted to test it. In order to be brief, I didn't list all of the reasons that a claim might be fact checked but this is one of them.

The main point remains. We tend not to fact check claims we believe are true.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. We all automatically and unconsciously will compare a claim to our background knowledge. Those claims that tend to violate what we already know will get higher scrutiny properly. If our background knowledge is corrupted, that's a whole 'nother problem. Intent to prove a claim wrong because it's not liked or doesn't fit with some idelology is another problem, too.