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Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

Grizzly Bear said:
Quite contrary. It's possible for the ice officer to have acted out of protocol AND for the victim to have acted recklessly with bad decision-making. You and others are free to disagree, but if you're not going to show any nuance, and instead resort to ad hominems to make your point. Don't expect ME to waste my time entertaining the question.
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First off, I haven't "resort(ed) to ad hominems" towards you in this thread at all. Second, as others have pointed out, the nuance is that the ICE agent acted inappropriately, outside of protocol and that is the entire heart of the issue. You can't say "the ICE officer probably acted out of protocol" but still blame the victim.

If you want to talk about taking an instance in a vacuum then your argument loses even more credibility. Do you watch the news? Do you realize that ICE is violently rounding up US citizens and deporting them? Have you seen literal military veterans getting shoved to the ground and arrested? Yet, in the same breath, you're going to accept "their side"? As others have said, why the ◊◊◊◊ would you do that? On what basis are you giving anything they say credence?
 
Still with the stuck in snow lie from yesterday?

Noem: "What happened was our officers were out trying to get a car stuck out of the snow when they were surrounded and assaulted and blocked in by protesters ... this was an act of domestic terrorism" (It was 40 degrees in Minneapolis yesterday and snow was melting ... )


https://twitter.com/x/status/2009309054741446988
 
Andy_Ross said:
Still with the stuck in snow lie from yesterday?

Noem: "What happened was our officers were out trying to get a car stuck out of the snow when they were surrounded and assaulted and blocked in by protesters ... this was an act of domestic terrorism" (It was 40 degrees in Minneapolis yesterday and snow was melting ... )


https://twitter.com/x/status/2009309054741446988
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See above.
 
Comer: "Tim Walz was having a terrible day from our hearing ... and then you had the ICE shooting. And Tim Walz, like a well seasoned politician, he tries to take advantage of a terrible situation. He effectively has declared war on ICE to pivot away the national attention from his reckless administration of taxpayer funds."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009328795937910843
 
Andy_Ross said:
Noem: "What happened was our officers were out trying to get a car stuck out of the snow when they were surrounded and assaulted and blocked in by protesters ... this was an act of domestic terrorism"
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Irrelevant, even if true. Protesting government officials is not domestic terrorism, and does not warrant deadly force.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Leavitt: "The deadly incident that took place yesterday in Minnesota yesterday occurred as a result of a larger, sinister left-wing movement that has spread across our country where our brave men and women of federal law enforcement are under organized attack."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009332646967394341
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STFU, you lying, simpering toady. You Trump-gobbling, gaslighting ◊◊◊◊.
 
plague311 said:
First off, I haven't "resort(ed) to ad hominems" towards you in this thread at all. Second, as others have pointed out, the nuance is that the ICE agent acted inappropriately, outside of protocol and that is the entire heart of the issue. You can't say "the ICE officer probably acted out of protocol" but still blame the victim.
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Once you start injecting issues into the purported vacuum, where does it stop? Should the victim not have been there protesting? Should ICE not have been there inciting public unrest with a show of force? Should immigrants not be there in the first place?

There's a hair-split that often occurs in this kind of drama between lawful and unlawful behavior. The first person to commit an unlawful act (or a violent act) suddenly incurs all the responsibility for everything that preceded it. Now for legal purposes, this is how it as to work. But for moral blameworthiness, incitement matters. I've seen police in my city expertly incite violence on the part of protesters as a pretext for an arrest or as justification to command a "disorderly" assembly to disperse.

In this case, the first unlawful act appears to have been the officer placing himself in harm's way in contravention of clearly specified rules for federal agents. Saying he was forced into a tough, split-second decision to use deadly force simply ignores that this circumstance was occasioned by his own unlawful behavior, and that the decision he should have made was dictated again by law, split-second or otherwise.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Still with the stuck in snow lie from yesterday?

Noem: "What happened was our officers were out trying to get a car stuck out of the snow when they were surrounded and assaulted and blocked in by protesters ... this was an act of domestic terrorism" (It was 40 degrees in Minneapolis yesterday and snow was melting ... )
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Protip: If you can't drive in the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ snow then stay the hell out of my area. I live in North Dakota, but I'm close enough (3ish hours from Minneapolis). What were they doing in their car that caused it to get stuck? Don't they all drive SUVs? I drive a Toyota Tacoma and I haven't had a problem at all. Is there anything these inept cock gobblers can do right?
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's almost as if the murder by an ICE agent and Stephen Miller repeatedly telling ICE agents they are above the law are connected.
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It's frightening just how much federal agents really are above the law in the United States. In the real world we could have trusted the FBI to honestly investigate allegations of unlawful behavior against agents from other agencies. That trust is no longer there.

Andy_Ross said:
More ICE agents is the answer.
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The pattern is pretty obvious. Incite incidents by having a very defiant, in-your-face presence that was never required or tolerated before, then use the expected response as an excuse for a need to deploy more troops to keep the peace.
 
LDE1976 said:
Yeah, she was obviously trying to run the agent over...

www.bbc.co.uk

How the ICE shooting in Minneapolis unfolded

BBC Verify breaks down how the shooting which killed a 37-year-old woman in Minneapolis unfolded.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Seriously, there are bad faith arguments, lies, and vile, desperate lies, but none of them come close to the egregious **** we're hearing from the scum in power.
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I don't know, the (thankfully few) posters here seeking to support and justify the cold blooded murder of an unarmed civilian by a masked government thug who then got to walk away from the scene of his crime while his colleagues denied his victim medical aid are as vile and nauseating as those coming from this disgusting regime.
 
plague311 said:
Protip: If you can't drive in the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ snow then stay the hell out of my area. I live in North Dakota, but I'm close enough (3ish hours from Minneapolis). What were they doing in their car that caused it to get stuck? Don't they all drive SUVs? I drive a Toyota Tacoma and I haven't had a problem at all. Is there anything these inept cock gobblers can do right?
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Maybe they had a Cybertruck?
 
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