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Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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How does that equate to "sex isn't real"?
Because "sex" isn't really a feeling in your head, known with any certainly only by yourself. It is really something else altogether. A better comparison than chemistry reducing to physics would be combustion reducing to phlogiston.
 
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Because "sex" isn't really a feeling in your head, known with any certainly only by yourself. It is really something else a

Again, that is the biological definition which is encoded in our DNA.

But trans gender people don't claim to be able to alter their genetic makeup and so are not claiming to change sex in that sense.

We have been through this all before. There probably would never have been such a thing as a trans man or a trans woman if "male" and 'female" had only ever meant that. There would have been no point.

There is no objective fact of the matter about the meaning of any word. The meaning comes about through usage.

And meaning is a complex thing carrying multiple layers and associations.

I already gave a long list of examples of the usage of "male" and "female" being used in different ways and in particular referring to social categories built on top of those physical sex characteristics and which imply a presumed obligation to present and behave in certain ways.
 
Because "sex" isn't really a feeling in your head, known with any certainly only by yourself. It is really something else altogether. A better comparison than chemistry reducing to physics would be combustion reducing to phlogiston.

Again, it would be absolutely lovely if the majority of people used "male" and "female" in the sense that Dr Hilton suggests, it would make the world a way less hostile for people like me.

But, sadly, they don't.
 
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This story speaks for itself on gender self ID, and the capture by the pronoun zealots.
Does it? What does it say when it speaks for itself?

Is every crime a trans gender person commits from now on going to be a commentary about trans people in general?
 
Does it? What does it say when it speaks for itself?

Is every crime a trans gender person commits from now on going to be a commentary about trans people in general?
I have no idea.
I know that in New Zealand law, posting on this forum from NZ is publishing, and misgendering is a technical offence.
So this male pattern psychopathology has been perpetrated by a woman. I can't say otherwise.

Stuff is proving the point.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/3008...ngerous-woman-74-who-should-not-be-approached

No hint in the story anything gender related.
 
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Andres, however, took to social media to call Silverberg a "coward and a bigot". More from the New York Post article:

“I got surgery — I can prove without any doubt whatsoever that I have gone through every step, which means whatever governing body decides to make decisions, I will pass that test.”

“I actually care about women in sport because I AM a woman in sport,” she wrote alongside one video
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Cutting off your dick doesn't remove the muscle mass or skeletal advantage.

I'm very pleased she's upset. 10/10 to Silverberg.

This story speaks for itself on gender self ID, and the capture by the pronoun zealots.

Mate, that is utter bollocks.

The person is a psychological mess with PTSD, drug and alcohol abuse and the fact that she identifies as female has nothing to do with the crimes, although no doubt identifying as female at Mt Eden Jail in the 1970s and '80s would have been very hard time.
 
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Cutting off your dick doesn't remove the muscle mass or skeletal advantage.

I'm very pleased she's upset. 10/10 to Silverberg.



Mate, that is utter bollocks.

The person is a psychological mess with PTSD, drug and alcohol abuse and the fact that she identifies as female has nothing to do with the crimes, although no doubt identifying as female at Mt Eden Jail in the 1970s and '80s would have been very hard time.
Did you read the stuff version where she is a model girly girl?
 
Read my subsequent post. In this thread EC complains of language that reduces women to their organs and biological functions; in the matter of losing the right to abortion women actually are being reduced to their organs and biological functions. In this one: talk about the vocubulary surrounding a bad thing. In those threads: the bad thing just happened. It's not a different topic, it's the same thing. But in this thread people want to believe that women's rights have no meaning unless they are contrasted to and opposing trans women's rights. Meanwhile, rights were just removed. In actual, real life.

No. There is some conceptual overlap, but it's still a different topic. No participation in a different thread is required here. Your attempt at gatekeeping is bull ****. Don't do it.
 
Ah, I see. Only club members are allowed. Who's in charge of the membership list?

I'm not really interested in pursuing most of this topic any longer than we already have, but I will note that this bit here is a misreading of what I'm saying (which is relevant to my criticism about you complaining EC didn't participate in the abortion thread). It has nothing to do with you not being allowed to comment. It's about the fact that there's a lot of context to what EC said 2 years ago, context that I think you're missing because you weren't there at the time, and context which I think matters for interpreting her words. That's not gatekeeping on my part, it's just an observation.
 
Again, it would be absolutely lovely if the majority of people used "male" and "female" in the sense that Dr Hilton suggests, it would make the world a way less hostile for people like me.
I'd say that the majority of people use "male" and "female" to denote sex rather than the applicability of gendered norms, nearly all of the time. Looking back through these threads, you're literally the only person here saying that "male" and "female" refer to something other than physical sexual characteristics.

I already gave a long list of examples of the usage of "male" and "female" being used in different ways and in particular referring to social categories built on top of those physical sex characteristics and which imply a presumed obligation to present and behave in certain ways.
I only saw two in which the terms "male" and "female" were clearly being used to denote masculine and feminine social expectations, and they were both old statutes written in Victorian times. In the other examples, other adjectives ("rugged, strong, independent" or "real") were doing the bulk of the gendered work. In one case, the silver screen hypermasculinity of John Wayne was invoked in lieu of adjectives.

There probably would never have been such a thing as a trans man or a trans woman if "male" and 'female" had only ever meant that.
It seems to me you are probably confusing the first two highlighted terms—which often do imply gendered behavior—with the second two highlighted terms which rather rarely imply gendered behavior per se.
 
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How does that equate to "sex isn't real"? If someone said "The laws of chemistry reduce to the laws of physics" that wouldn't be saying that the laws of chemistry aren't real.
Because that would be a true statement.

The ACLU statement just seems to be a statement about how they define the word.
The ACLU defines sex as gender. That's about as "sex isn't real" as it gets.
 
Sorry, but this is an absolute **** argument. It's a very tempting one to make, and I've probably slipped up and made it a few times myself in other threads, but it's still a **** argument. The validity of anyone's opinion on any topic isn't contingent upon their participation in other threads on other topics. There's no prerequisites here, no required attendance. There are countless reasons someone may avoid participating in particular threads even on topics one feels strongly about. Participation in threads on one topic should never serve as a litmus test for expression on a different topic. That's a complete garbage standard.

Thank you for saying that. I got critiqued similarly in another thread and couldn't articulate this objection.
 
Freedom of association is a fairly basic human right (IMO, YMMV) but let's not indulge the fallacy of relative privationWP here.

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I'm adding that one to my vocabulary, as I see it often. Thanks.
 
I'm adding that one to my vocabulary, as I see it often. Thanks.
Anytime! :)

I think this is even worse than fallacious, though, b/c the GOP is going to keep winning so long as Democrats get stumped on easy questions like "What is a woman?" or "Should females be allowed to have their own spaces or leagues?" When President DeSantis is nominating his second or third SCOTUS pick, it will be in part because the left very publicly fell for a load of nonsense such as the idea that sex refers to a feeling in your mind rather than a biological adaptation.
 
Anytime! :)

I think this is even worse than fallacious, though, b/c the GOP is going to keep winning so long as Democrats get stumped on easy questions like "What is a woman?" or "Should females be allowed to have their own spaces or leagues?" When President DeSantis is nominating his second or third SCOTUS pick, it will be in part because the left very publicly fell for a load of nonsense such as the idea that sex refers to a feeling in your mind rather than a biological adaptation.
The "what is a woman" thing was particularly not-helpful.
 
Anytime! :)

I think this is even worse than fallacious, though, b/c the GOP is going to keep winning so long as Democrats get stumped on easy questions like "What is a woman?" or "Should females be allowed to have their own spaces or leagues?" When President DeSantis is nominating his second or third SCOTUS pick, it will be in part because the left very publicly fell for a load of nonsense such as the idea that sex refers to a feeling in your mind rather than a biological adaptation.

Trans rights led to a America becoming a fascist theocracy. Nice one there bruder. :)
 
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